From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 2:20:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from theshell.com (arsenic.theshell.com [63.236.138.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF79E37B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:20:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavalos@theshell.com) Received: (qmail 19304 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 09:20:24 -0000 Received: from oxygen.theshell.com (root@63.236.138.8) by arsenic.theshell.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2001 09:20:24 -0000 Received: (from pavalos@localhost) by oxygen.theshell.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6F9KJ802572 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavalos) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107150920.f6F9KJ802572@oxygen.theshell.com> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Capitalizing functions et al in man pages Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm wondering what ever became of the "trailing dot in .Nd" thread at the end of January: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=23542+0+archive/2001/freebsd-doc/20010128.freebsd-doc Specifically I am referring to what Ben Smithurst wrote: ------------------- "I'm tempted also to change things like ".Nm Foo" to just ".Nm" at the start of sentences, when the name really is "foo". IMO even at the start of a sentence we shouldn't capitalize things wrong. There's a lot more of these to change though, so there may be stronger objections. I don't feel that strongly about it, it just seems "wrong" to capitalize things wrong." ------------------- If these type of things are case-sensitive, (shell commands, system calls, library functions, kernel interfaces, file names, etc.), then the man page should reflect it. I do not believe that the "The command/utility/etc .Nm" type approach is correct either. Chapter 10 of the fdp-primer suggests "avoid[ing] redundant phrases" like "the command", "the utility", and "the file". I tried to find a good publishing standard that would state how to deal with starting sentences with functions, commands, et al, but I couldn't find one. FDP points to O'Reilly's publishing style, but they also did not specify how to handle this. I finally just pulled out an O'Reilly book that I had laying next to me, _Building Internet Firewalls_, to see how they dealt with it: ------------------- "The two most common network management tools are ping and traceroute. Both are named after the UNIX programs that were the first implementations... "_ping_ simply tests reachability; it tells you whether or not you can get a packet to and from a given host, and often additional information like how long it took the packet to make the round trip. _traceroute_ tells you..." -------------------- They did not capitalize the names of these tools even though they started a sentence. There are other instances of this throughout the book, so it seems they kept this style consistent, and I think we should too. --Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 4:51: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766BB37B406 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 04:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6FBc5T10421; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:38:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:38:05 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: "2.1. Synopsis" vs "2.1 Synopsis" Message-ID: <20010715123805.A10284@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010714152139.B47232@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010714152139.B47232@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@osd.bsdi.com on Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 03:21:39PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 03:21:39PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > Index: freebsd.dsl > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v > retrieving revision 1.35 > diff -u -r1.35 freebsd.dsl > --- freebsd.dsl 2001/07/12 01:40:31 1.35 > +++ freebsd.dsl 2001/07/14 22:06:48 > @@ -392,6 +392,12 @@ > (list > (list (normalize "warning") ": ") > (list (normalize "caution") ": ") > + (list (normalize "chapter") " ") > + (list (normalize "sect1") " ") > + (list (normalize "sect2") " ") > + (list (normalize "sect3") " ") > + (list (normalize "sect4") " ") > + (list (normalize "sect5") " ") > )) This whole define should really go in doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl . . . N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtRgJ0ACgkQk6gHZCw343WKkgCeIshuzeewYRgZ/3+4KpHwhqVt VPcAn0IJbTZbn+ZatdqDDP5jojml6igF =6WVY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 6:42:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C047637B403 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7513E2F for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:42:08 -0700 (PDT) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Stale translations Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:42:08 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010715134208.9F7513E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This has probably been brought up before, but I can't find anything in the archives: what do we do about stale translations? For certain things, no documentation is better than old, outdated, misleading documentation. Practices and procedures change, and it's better to have somebody ask someone about it instead of being misled by an outdated document. I'm not talking about translations which lag behind the real version for a month or two; we have some that haven't been updated in literally years, and have nobody actively updating them or working on them; some still document RELENG_2_2! So, what can we do about them? We can obviously remove them; the original translators probably won't like this, but we can always bring them back if somebody wants to work on them. Another alternative would be to post a big warning on the front of each document saying it's so obsolete as to be nearly useless (we'd need to find somebody who speaks the language, which may not be easy). Anything else? Thanks, Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org P.S. This applies equally to the web site translations. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 8:31:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts8.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04ABF37B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:31:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reel@sympatico.ca) Received: from HSE-QCity-ppp94808.qc.sympatico.ca ([64.230.227.11]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010715153135.HUSL3306.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@HSE-QCity-ppp94808.qc.sympatico.ca>; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:31:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Felix-Antoine Paradis X-X-Sender: To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Subject: Re: Stale translations In-Reply-To: <20010715134208.9F7513E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Message-ID: <20010715113102.F55836-100000@idemnia.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, you can notify me for english->french translation if you wish. 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Promoção po rtempo limitado, apenas R$ 300,00 www.pencam.hpg.com.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 9: 0:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22C937B405 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6FG01r84022; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mail.rhein-zeitung.de (mail.rhein-zeitung.DE [195.189.135.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CB637B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mheinen0@wiesbaden-online.de) Received: from Moses.earth.sol (pppin64.max-mainz.rz-online.NET [212.7.164.64]) by mail.rhein-zeitung.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6FFqPn32570 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:52:25 +0200 Received: (from vincent@localhost) by Moses.earth.sol (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6FFmgu39274; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:48:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from vincent) Message-Id: <200107151548.f6FFmgu39274@Moses.earth.sol> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:48:42 +0200 (CEST) From: mheinen0@wiesbaden-online.de Reply-To: mheinen0@wiesbaden-online.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28989: Markup changes for the disks chapter Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28989 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Markup changes for the disks chapter >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Jul 15 09:00:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Martin Heinen >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-RC i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD Moses.earth.sol 4.3-RC FreeBSD 4.3-RC #0: Tue May 22 00:46:25 CEST 2001 toor@Moses.earth.sol:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MOSES i386 >Description: + xref closes with '/>'. This causes a trailing '>' at the end of the reference. Removed the '/'. + Marked up 'log' and 'spool' as filenames in the discussion of the 'var' directory. + Changed fdisk to show up as command. + Marked up vn as device. + In the section 'Using sysinstall' sysinstall should be marked up as application or command. I'm not sure which one to use, so it is not included in the fix below. >How-To-Repeat: read the handbook >Fix: RCS file: /u/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/disks/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.35 diff -r1.35 chapter.sgml 219c219 < linkend="disks-adding" />. --- > linkend="disks-adding">. 236c236,237 < contains log, spool, and various types of temporary files, and --- > contains log/, spool/, > and various types of temporary files, and 551,554c552,556 < computer and will not confuse other operating systems' fdisk < utilities. It is recommended to use this method for new disk < installs. Only use dedicated mode if you < have a good reason to do so! --- > computer and will not confuse other operating systems' > fdisk utilities. It is recommended > to use this method for new disk installs. Only use > dedicated mode if you have a good reason > to do so! 1030,1031c1032,1033 < Having done that, if you have vn configured in your kernel, you < can mount the file system with: --- > Having done that, if you have vn > configured in your kernel, you can mount the file system with: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 9:40: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1A037B407 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6FGe4Z89823; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107151640.f6FGe4Z89823@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Vladimir Tchoukharev Subject: Re: docs/28425: Typo in handbook 13.5.1.4 Reply-To: Vladimir Tchoukharev Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28425; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Vladimir Tchoukharev To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/28425: Typo in handbook 13.5.1.4 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:33:32 +0300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------98249CFF9AF0E64BA1834FF4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just noticed, that only one of two '=' signs was removed by the fix. So it's still wrong. A patch is attached (directory /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/l10n). Best regards, V. Tchoukharev --------------98249CFF9AF0E64BA1834FF4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; name="patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="patch" --- chapter.sgml.orig Sun Jul 15 13:03:24 2001 +++ chapter.sgml Sun Jul 15 19:11:49 2001 @@ -784,7 +784,7 @@ The following example &man.fstab.5; entry enables support for Russian filenames in mounted MS-DOS filesystems: - /dev/ad0s2 /dos/c msdos rw,-Wkoi2dos,-L=ru_RU.KOI8-R 0 0 + /dev/ad0s2 /dos/c msdos rw,-Wkoi2dos,-Lru_RU.KOI8-R 0 0 See &man.mount.msdos.8; for a detailed description of the and options. --------------98249CFF9AF0E64BA1834FF4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 9:41:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [210.190.142.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA3637B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.hrslab.yi.org (p3004-ip01funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [61.112.99.4]) by eos.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id BAA13219; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:41:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.hrslab.yi.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.hrslab.yi.org (8.9.3/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id BAA53697; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:40:55 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:39:54 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010716.013954.41663913.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: dima@unixfreak.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stale translations From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20010715134208.9F7513E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010715134208.9F7513E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b101 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Dima, Dima Dorfman wrote in <20010715134208.9F7513E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org>: dima> I'm not talking about translations which lag behind the real version dima> for a month or two; we have some that haven't been updated in dima> literally years, and have nobody actively updating them or working on dima> them; some still document RELENG_2_2! I agree with you, but this problem is more general, not specific to translations. Original documents written in English can also become old. There are only difference in how actively maintained they are. dima> So, what can we do about them? We can obviously remove them; the dima> original translators probably won't like this, but we can always bring dima> them back if somebody wants to work on them. Another alternative dima> would be to post a big warning on the front of each document saying dima> it's so obsolete as to be nearly useless (we'd need to find somebody dima> who speaks the language, which may not be easy). Anything else? Japanese translation team uses "revcheck script" for www/ja tree to notify "this page is old one" (see www/ja/prehtml). Although this problem cannot be solved completely, a similar mechanism will somewhat help, I think. -- | Hiroki Sato | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 9:56: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950F037B403; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org ([62.31.80.67]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:55:50 +0100 Message-ID: <3B51CB16.4070803@cream.org> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:55:50 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Kozubik , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: comments please, and freebsdzine status ? References: <3B4DCB94.1070501@cream.org> <20010713132146.I18498@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whoops! :-) My apologies Nik, thanks for taking care of that! Nik Clayton wrote >> I marked the document up almost a year ago, but never pursued having it >> commited into the docs because I was busy with other stuff. > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/filtering-bridges/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 13: 2: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD7B37B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6FK1Ut49562; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: dima@unixfreak.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stale translations In-Reply-To: <20010715134208.9F7513E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010715134208.9F7513E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010715130130F.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:01:30 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 38 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Stale translations Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:42:08 -0700 > This has probably been brought up before, but I can't find anything in > the archives: what do we do about stale translations? For certain > things, no documentation is better than old, outdated, misleading > documentation. Practices and procedures change, and it's better to > have somebody ask someone about it instead of being misled by an > outdated document. I don't think we really have any "standard practice" for this yet, actually, since you're the first to raise it seriously. That makes the issue yours now, sorry. ;-) > So, what can we do about them? We can obviously remove them; the > original translators probably won't like this, but we can always bring > them back if somebody wants to work on them. Another alternative > would be to post a big warning on the front of each document saying > it's so obsolete as to be nearly useless (we'd need to find somebody > who speaks the language, which may not be easy). Anything else? I think you need to try and contact the authors to see what they want done - in many cases, this will be sufficient to generate a burst of updating effort which is, of course, the most desirable fix. If a month or two elapses (long enough to cover the length of a typical European vacation ;) without any response, you might deem that equivalent to the "I have no interest in maintaining this translation, please kill it" response, in which case it would probably then be prudent to post a *MAJOR* 'heads up' message to -doc and possibly even -announce which spells out the impending death of the Foo language translation. At that point, one of two things will happen: Some speaker of foo will emerge going "No! No! I'll take it!" or you'll get no response at all, clearly showing you the next move to take. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 15:43: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web14810.mail.yahoo.com (web14810.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA1D337B406 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:43:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhamming2001@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010715224306.91902.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.248.85.196] by web14810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:43:06 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Doe Subject: New FAQ Translation (Vietnamese) To: doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After numerous days of excessive laziness, I've finally gotten part of the FAQ translated to Vietnamese. You can view it at tbug.org/BSD-VIET. This was written with vnelvis(1V). If any of you can read/write vietnamese, please send me suggestions/corrections. Thanks. Bruce\ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 17:25:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from out-mx1.crosswinds.net (out-mx1.crosswinds.net [209.208.163.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B59337B409 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grebz@crosswinds.net) Received: from member-mx1.crosswinds.net (member-mx1.crosswinds.net [209.208.163.43]) by out-mx1.crosswinds.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC865D048 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boron (host213-1-110-48.btinternet.com [213.1.110.48]) by member-mx1.crosswinds.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 02AD34CD45 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201c10d8e$379037c0$0500000a@boron> From: "Matt Bayliss" To: Subject: Broken link on www.freebsd.org.uk Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:49:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C10C95.C0ECF660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C10C95.C0ECF660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On your page http://www.freebsd.org.uk/support.html#newsgroups there is = a link to The BSD USENET News Searcher. Apparently this has moved. According to the redirect page, the new address is = http://minnie.tuhs.org. Just thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Matt ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C10C95.C0ECF660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
On your page http://www.fre= ebsd.org.uk/support.html#newsgroups there=20 is a link to The BSD USENET News Searcher.  Apparently this has=20 moved.
 
According to the redirect page, the new address is http://minnie.tuhs.org.
 
Just thought I'd let you know.
 
Cheers,
 
Matt
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C10C95.C0ECF660-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 18:10:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow024o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5748637B407; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org ([62.31.80.67]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:10:03 +0100 Message-ID: <3B523EEB.2090401@cream.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:10:03 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broken link on www.freebsd.org.uk References: <000201c10d8e$379037c0$0500000a@boron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This appears to be right. I'm just returning to docbook after a long absence, so I'm taking every opportunity to practice. Here's the diff for support.sgml --- support.sgml Mon Jul 16 00:46:44 2001 +++ support.sgml.new Mon Jul 16 00:49:45 2001 @@ -134,7 +134,7 @@ href="news:comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce">comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announ ce.

-

The +

The BSD Usenet News Searcher have archives of all BSD-related Usenet newsgroups from June 1992 onwards.

Matt Bayliss wrote: > Hi, > > > > On your page http://www.freebsd.org.uk/support.html#newsgroups there is > a link to The BSD USENET News Searcher. Apparently this has moved. > > > > According to the redirect page, the new address is http://minnie.tuhs.org. > > > > Just thought I'd let you know. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 19:40:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACB237B403 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6G2e1L86389; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from biggins.securityreports.com (adsl-64-168-72-58.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.168.72.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA81C37B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jono@biggins.securityreports.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by biggins.securityreports.com (8.11.4/8.11.1) id f6G2dk870176; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:39:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jono) Message-Id: <200107160239.f6G2dk870176@biggins.securityreports.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:39:46 -0700 (PDT) From: jono@networkcommand.com Reply-To: jono@networkcommand.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: jono@networkcommand.com X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28994: New article for docproj "Checkpoint VPN-1/Firewall-1 and FreeBSD IPSEC" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28994 >Category: docs >Synopsis: New article for docproj "Checkpoint VPN-1/Firewall-1 and FreeBSD IPSEC" >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Jul 15 19:40:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jon Orbeton >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: Security Reports >Environment: System: FreeBSD biggins.securityreports.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #8: Wed Jun 13 21:30:04 PDT 2001 root@biggins.securityreports.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BIGGINS i386 >Description: This is just an addition of a new article to the docproj. Please review and double-check my CVS id keywords, I wasn't clear on this. >How-To-Repeat: No repeat >Fix: %man; ]>
Integration of Checkpoint VPN-1/Firewall-1 and FreeBSD IPSEC Jon Orbeton
info@networkcommand.com
Matt Hite
mhite@hotmail.com
$Date$ 2001 Jon Orbeton &legalnotice; This document explains how to configure a VPN tunnel between FreeBSD and Checkpoint's VPN-1/Firewall-1. Other documents provide similar information, but do not contain instructions specific to VPN-1/Firewall-1 and its integration with FreeBSD. These documents are listed at the conclusion of this paper for further reference.
Prerequisites The following is a diagram of the machines and networks referenced in this document. External Interface External Interface 208.229.100.6 216.218.197.2 | | +--> Firewall-1 <--> Internet <--> FreeBSD GW <--+ | | FW-1 Protected Nets Internal Nets 199.208.192.0/24 192.168.10.0/24 The FreeBSD GW serves as a firewall and NAT device for "internal nets." The FreeBSD kernel must be compiled to support IPSec. Use the following kernel options: options IPSEC options IPSEC_ESP options IPSEC_DEBUG For instructions on building a custom kernel, refer to the FreeBSD handbook. Please note that IP protocol 50 (ESP) and UDP port 500 must be open between the Firewall-1 host and the FreeBSD GW. Also, racoon must be installed to support key exchange. Racoon is part of the FreeBSD ports collection in /usr/ports/security/racoon. The racoon configuration file will be covered later in this document. Firewall-1 Network Object Configuration Begin by configuring the Firewall-1 Policy. Open the Policy Editor on the Firewall-1 Management server and create a new "Workstation" Network Object representing FreeBSD GW. General Tab: Set name and IP address VPN Tab: Encryption Schemes Defined: IKE ---> Edit IKE Properties: Key Negotiation Encryption Methods: 3DES Authenication Method: Pre-Shared Secret ---> Edit Select the Firewall Object and set a pre-shared secret. (Don't use our example.) Support Aggresive Mode: Checked Supports Subnets: Checked After setting the pre-shared secret in the Firewall-1 Network Object definition, place this secret in /usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt on FreeBSD GW. The format for psk.txt is: 208.229.100.6 rUac0wtoo? Firewall-1 VPN Rule Configuration Next, create a Firewall-1 rule enabling encryption between the FreeBSD GW and the Firewall-1 protected network. In this rule, the network services permitted through the VPN must be defined. Source | Destination | Service | Action | Track ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FreeBSD GW | FW-1 Protected Net | VPN services | Encrypt | Long FW-1 Protected Net| FreeBSD GW | | | "VPN services" are any services (i.e. telnet, ssh, ntp, etc.) remote hosts are permitted to access through the VPN. Use caution when permitting services; hosts connecting through a VPN still represent a potential security risk. Encrypting the traffic between the two networks offers little protection if a host on either side of the tunnel has been compromised. Once the rule specifying data encryption between the FreeBSD GW and the Firewall-1 protected network has been configured, review the "Action Encrypt" settings. Encryption Schemes Defined: IKE ---> Edit Transform: Encryption + Data Integrity (ESP) Encryption Algorithm: 3DES Data Integrity: MD5 Allowed Peer Gateway: Any or Firewall Object Use Perfect Forward Secrecy: Checked The use of Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) is optional. Enabling PFS will add another layer of encryption security, but does come at the cost of increased CPU overhead. If PFS is not used, uncheck the box above and comment out the pfs_group 1 line from racoon.conf on FreeBSD GW. An example racoon.conf is provided later in this document. FreeBSD VPN Policy Configuration At this point, the VPN policy on FreeBSD GW must be defined. The /usr/sbin/setkey tool performs this function. Below is an example shellscript which will flush setkey and add your VPN policy rules. # # /etc/vpn1-ipsec.sh # # IP addresses # # External Interface External Interface # 208.229.100.6 216.218.197.2 # | | # +--> Firewall-1 <--> Internet <--> FreeBSD GW <--+ # | | # FW-1 Protected Nets Internal Nets # 199.208.192.0/24 192.168.10.0/24 # # Flush the policy # setkey -FP setkey -F # # Configure the Policy # setkey -c << END spdadd 216.218.197.2/32 199.208.192.0/24 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/216.218.197.2-208.229.100.6/require; spdadd 199.208.192.0/24 216.218.197.2/32 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/208.229.100.6-216.218.197.2/require; END # Execute the setkey commands: &prompt.root; sh /etc/vpn1-ipsec.sh FreeBSD Racoon Configuration To facilitate the negotiation of IPSec keys on FreeBSD GW, /usr/ports/security/racoon must be installed and configured. The following is a racoon configuration file suitable for use with the examples outlined in this document. Please make sure you fully understand this file before using in a production environment. # racoon.conf for use with Checkpoint VPN-1/Firewall-1 # # search this file for pre_shared_key with various ID key. path pre_shared_key "/usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt" ; # # log debug; # # "padding" defines some parameter of padding. You should not touch these. padding { maximum_length 20; # maximum padding length. randomize off; # enable randomize length. strict_check off; # enable strict check. exclusive_tail off; # extract last one octet. } # listen { #isakmp ::1 [7000]; #isakmp 0.0.0.0 [500]; #admin [7002]; # administrative's port by kmpstat. #strict_address; # required all addresses must be bound. } # # Specification of default various timers. # timer { # These values can be changed per remote node. counter 5; # maximum trying count to send. interval 20 sec; # maximum interval to resend. persend 1; # the number of packets per a send. # # timer for waiting to complete each phase. phase1 30 sec; phase2 15 sec; } remote anonymous { exchange_mode aggressive,main; # For Firewall-1 Aggressive mode #my_identifier address; #my_identifier user_fqdn ""; #my_identifier address ""; #peers_identifier address ""; #certificate_type x509 "" ""; nonce_size 16; lifetime time 10 min; # sec,min,hour lifetime byte 5 MB; # B,KB,GB initial_contact on; support_mip6 on; proposal_check obey; # obey, strict or claim proposal { encryption_algorithm 3des; hash_algorithm md5; authentication_method pre_shared_key; dh_group 2 ; } } sainfo anonymous { pfs_group 1; lifetime time 10 min; lifetime byte 50000 KB; encryption_algorithm 3des; authentication_algorithm hmac_md5; compression_algorithm deflate ; } Ensure that /usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt contains the shared secret configured in the "Firewall-1 Network Object Configuration" section of this document and has mode 600 permissions. &prompt.root; chmod 600 /usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt Starting the VPN You are now ready to launch racoon and test the VPN tunnel. For debugging purposes, open the Firewall-1 Log Viewer and define a log filter to isolate entries pertaining to FreeBSD GW. You may also find it helpful to tail the racoon log: &prompt.root; tail -f /var/log/racoon.log Start racoon using the following command: &prompt.root; /usr/local/sbin/racoon -f /usr/local/etc/racoon/racoon.conf Once racoon has been launched, telnet to a host on the Firewall-1 protected network. &prompt.root; telnet -s 192.168.10.3 199.208.192.66 22 This command attempts to connect to the ssh port on 199.208.192.66, a machine in the Firewall-1 protected network. The -s switch indicates the source interface of the outbound connection. This is particularly important when running NAT and IPFW on FreeBSD GW. Using -s and specifying an explicit source address prevents NAT from mangling the packet prior to tunneling. A successful racoon key exchange will output the following to racoon.log: pfkey UPDATE succeeded: ESP/Tunnel 216.218.197.2->208.229.100.6 pk_recvupdate(): IPsec-SA established: ESP/Tunnel 216.218.197.2->208.229.100.6 get pfkey ADD message IPsec-SA established: ESP/Tunnel 208.229.100.6->216.218.197.2 Once key exchange completes (which takes a few seconds), an ssh banner will appear. If all went well, two "Key Install" messages will be logged in the Firewall-1 Log Viewer. Action | Source | Dest. | Info. Key Install | 216.218.197.2 | 208.229.100.6 | IKE Log: Phase 1 (aggressive) completion. Key Install | 216.218.197.2 | 208.229.100.6 | scheme: IKE methods Under the information column, the full log detail will read: IKE Log: Phase 1 (aggressive) completion. 3DES/MD5/Pre shared secrets Negotiation Id: scheme: IKE methods: Combined ESP: 3DES + MD5 + PFS (phase 2 completion) for host: References FreeBSD Handbook: IPSEC KAME Project FreeBSD IPSEC mini-HOWTO
>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 22:54:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E383237B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 829C955407; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732A651610; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: John Doe Cc: Subject: Re: New FAQ Translation (Vietnamese) In-Reply-To: <20010715224306.91902.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-07-15, John Doe scribbled: # After numerous days of excessive laziness, I've finally # gotten part of the FAQ translated to Vietnamese. You can view it at # tbug.org/BSD-VIET. This was written with vnelvis(1V). If any of you # can read/write vietnamese, please send me suggestions/corrections. I'm not proficient enough to read/write in Vietnamese (although I am), but I looked through the document to see what I could catch (little). One thing is that when I view the document in IE 5.5 on Windows 2000, many of the characters end up being rendered as interesting (and improper) glyphs. For example, some of the characters end up turning into unpronounceable symbols (ie: 1/2, 3/4, the German B-like char, the British Pound, Greek glyphs, etc.) Would it be possible to create the doc in HTML and use codepage specific to Vietnamese? This would probably break compatibility with other browsers, but right now... it's unreadable and cannot be understood. Help these comments help :) -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] // 404b - Brain not found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 15 23: 0:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C013A37B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6G607o19744; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107160600.f6G607o19744@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Alex Kapranoff Subject: Re: docs/28916: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must Reply-To: Alex Kapranoff Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28916; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alex Kapranoff To: Dima Dorfman Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG, honig@sprynet.com Subject: Re: docs/28916: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:39:22 +0400 * Dima Dorfman [July 13 2001, 18:51]: > Alex Kapranoff writes: > > >Description: > > I added some content (mostly removing obsolete info and > > providing additional links) along with converting the text to > > DocBook. A review would be appreciated. > > Could you please > > (1) separate the content changes from the DocBook conversion, and > (2) send this in the form of a diff against the old version. > > (1) because content changes must be separate from markup changes (if > not for `cvs diff` convenience, for translators), and (2) because > sharballs for files already in the repository aren't very convenient > to work with. Yes, my fault. Thanks for the reminder. Below is the content diff for translators (there's a ja_JA.eucJP translation). And markup diff in this case is neither human-comprehendable nor space-saving. The main reason for me not to submit changes in the diff form was that it won't help anybody. You can easily generate it with `cvs diff', however, and see that 95% of lines are changed and therefore included in the diff (twice). And why do you say that sharballs are less convenient to work with? Seems that it's true only if the diff is readable. --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/article.sgml Wed Jun 13 18:16:55 2001 +++ article.html Mon Jul 16 08:22:26 2001 @@ -2,12 +2,12 @@ - Independent Verification of IPSec Functionality in FreeBSD + Independent Verification of IPsec Functionality in FreeBSD -

Independent Verification of IPsec Functionality Under FreeBSD 3.0

+

Independent Verification of IPsec Functionality in FreeBSD

You installed IPsec and it seems to be working.  How do you know? I describe a method for experimentally verifying @@ -27,12 +27,12 @@

  1. -

    Encrypted data is uniformly distributed, ie, has maximal entropy - per symbol.

    +

    encrypted data is uniformly distributed, i.e., has maximal entropy + per symbol;

  2. -

    Raw, uncompressed data is typically redundant, i.e., has +

    raw, uncompressed data is typically redundant, i.e., has sub-maximal entropy.

@@ -40,16 +40,17 @@

Suppose you could measure the entropy of the data to- and from- your network interface. Then you could see the difference between unencrypted data and encrypted data. This would be true even if some of the data - in "encrypted mode" was not encrypted ---as the outermost IP header must + in "encrypted mode" was not encrypted---as the outermost IP header must be, if the packet is to be routable.

MUST

Ueli Maurer's "Universal Statistical Test for Random Bit Generators" - ("MUST") quickly measures the entropy of a sample. It uses a - compression-like algorithm. The code is given below for a variant which measures successive - (~quarter megabyte) chunks of a file.

+ (MUST) + quickly measures the entropy of a sample. It uses a + compression-like algorithm. The code is given below for a variant which measures successive + (~quarter megabyte) chunks of a file.

Tcpdump

@@ -103,15 +104,15 @@

This experiment shows that IPsec does seem to be distributing the payload data uniformly, as encryption should. However, the - experiment described here can not detect many possible flaws in a + experiment described here can not detect many possible flaws in a system (none of which do I have any evidence for). These include poor key generation or exchange, data or keys being visible to others, use of weak algorithms, kernel subversion, etc. Study the source; know the code.

-

IPsec -Definition

+

IPsec---Definition

-

Internet Protocol security extensions to IP v 4; required for IP v6. A +

Internet Protocol security extensions to IPv4; required for IPv6. A protocol for negotiating encryption and authentication at the IP (host-to-host) level. SSL secures only one application socket; SSH secures only a login; PGP secures only a specified file or @@ -119,49 +120,34 @@

Installing IPsec

-

Starting from the BSD 3.0 stable release,

+

Most of the modern versions of FreeBSD have IPsec support + in their base source. So you'll probably will need to + include IPSEC option in your kernel config + and, after kernel rebuild and reinstall, configure IPsec + connections using setkey command.

-
    -
  1. -

    install IPsec v0.04, rebuild, reinstall

    -
  2. -
  3. -

    run the administration tools (e.g, ipsecadm) and distribute - keys (or use Photuris for key exchange)

    -
  4. - -
  5. -

    set the routes (rt) up appropriately

    -
  6. -
- -

You may want to make an "ipsec_setup" script containing the - ipsecadm and rt commands which establish your IPsec - tunnel. You can run this script automatically at boottime from your - /etc/rc.local The ipsec_setup script will have to contain at - least two ipsecadm commands and one rt command to be - useful.

+

A comprehensive guide on running IPsec on FreeBSD is + provided in FreeBSD + Handbook.

usr/src/sys/i386/conf/KERNELNAME

-

This needs to be present in the kernel config file in order to run - IPsec. After adding it, run config, etc. and rebuild and +

This needs to be present in the kernel config file in order to be able + to capture network data with tcpdump. + Be sure to run config after adding this, and rebuild and reinstall.

-
# The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be
 -# aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this
 -# option. Heh heh. The number of devices determines the maximum number of
 -# simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable.
 -pseudo-device bpfilter 2 #Berkeley packet filter
 -
 -# IPSEC
 -options IPSEC
 -options "MD5"
 -pseudo-device enc 1
+
device	bpf
 +

Maurer's Universal Statistical Test (for block size=8 bits)

+ +

You can find the same code at + this link.


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>Number:         29002
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       strcpy manpage incorrectly states both strcpy and strncpy put in \0
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
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>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Mon Jul 16 03:50:00 PDT 2001
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>Originator:     Joseph Mallett
>Release:        4.3-STABLE
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>Environment:
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GMT 2001     root@Aphex.NewGold.NET:/usr/src/sys/compile/APHEX  i386
>Description:
the first sentance of strcpy(3) manpage states that both strncpy and strcpy in fact do what only strcpy does. It seems to me this is just a typo, as the second sentance is clearly structured the same, and therefore is probably what is meant to be the description.
>How-To-Repeat:
man 3 strcpy
>Fix:
--- strcpy.orig Mon Jul 16 10:38:16 2001
+++ strcpy.3    Mon Jul 16 10:39:20 2001
@@ -53,10 +53,8 @@
 .Sh DESCRIPTION
 The
 .Fn strcpy
-and
-.Fn strncpy
-functions
-copy the string
+function
+copies the string
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 to
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Dear List,

since man tuning manpage was announced on -doc and -questions, I got
asked to forward this manpage by email at least once a day.

It is not available on the web manpage interface. Since this page is in
high demand, it would be nice to put it up to the webserver at least
temporarily until 4.4-Release.

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Hi,
I think this should go into the fdp primer, perhaps in an "Overview
Section"?

From reading just the primer, I was under the impression that I had to jump
through numerous hoops before I could get a document up and running. Now
that I see otherwise, I may actually give writing something a go.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Nik Clayton
> Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2001 8:17 PM
> To: Jon O .
> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: New article on Firewall-1 and FreeBSD
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 06:49:34PM -0700, Jon O . wrote:
> > Hello:
> >
> > A friend and I have written an article outlining how
> > to create a VPN between Checkpoint Firewall-1 and FreeBSD
> > using Kame and racoon. I've converted the article to the
> > standard FreeBSD html style for your review here:
> >
> > http://www.securityreports.com/vpn/index.html
> >
> > Please send me any feedback you have.
>
> Looks good.  It's not an area I'm familiar with, so I can't say more
> than that :-)
>
> > Also, I have another article in the first stages outlining
> > how to create a VPN between FreeBSD and Windows 2000.
> > My understanding is that I should write any docs in SGML then
> > use a tool to convert to HTML (the FreeBSD HTML style).
> > Is this correct?
>
> Yes.  By far the easiest way to do it is.
>
>   1.  Install the docproj/ meta-port, as described in the Doc. Proj.
>       Primer, at
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/
>
>   2.  Get a local copy of the FreeBSD doc/ tree.  Either use CVSup in
>       "checkout" mode to do this, or get a full copy of the CVS repository
>       locally.
>
>       If you have the CVS repository locally then as a minimum you will
>       need to checkout the doc/share, doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/share, and
>       doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles directories.
>
>   3.  Place your document in a subdirectory of the articles/ directory,
>       (perhaps vpn-w2k/) call it article.sgml, and give it a Makefile
>       (which you can copy from any of the other articles).
>
>   4.  Edit away.
>
>   5.  To convert your document from DocBook to another format simply do
>
>           make FORMAT=foo
>
>       where 'foo' is one of html, html-split, txt, ps, pdf, rtf, or pdb.
>
>   6.  Submit article.sgml using send-pr.
>
> > The article listed above is in HTML
> > using another FreeBSD article as an example. I suppose
> > it can't be converted to SGML from HTML
>
> I think there are mechanical converters around, but they tend to work
> best on big documents -- the Firewall 1 article isn't too big, so doing
> it manually should probably only take about 30 minutes.
>
> N
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 10:57:17PM +1000, Haikal Saadh wrote:
> I think this should go into the fdp primer, perhaps in an "Overview
> Section"?

Good idea.  Done.  It'll show up in the next build of the web site.

> From reading just the primer, I was under the impression that I had to ju=
mp
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> that I see otherwise, I may actually give writing something a go.

Great.

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On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 06:49:46PM +0100, Matt Bayliss wrote:
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On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 06:48:34PM -0400, Mike Barcroft wrote:
> I would appreciate comments on the patch at the end of this
> message, also available at:
> http://testbed.q9media.net/freebsd/committers-guide.20010713.patch

This has now been committed, thanks.

In the future, would it be possible for you to use the send-pr
interface, so that submissions like this can be automatically tracked.

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Nik Clayton  writes:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 06:48:34PM -0400, Mike Barcroft wrote:
>> I would appreciate comments on the patch at the end of this
>> message, also available at:
>> http://testbed.q9media.net/freebsd/committers-guide.20010713.patch
> 
> This has now been committed, thanks.
> 
> In the future, would it be possible for you to use the send-pr
> interface, so that submissions like this can be automatically tracked.

Sorry about that.  I wanted to make sure my syntax and markup was
correct before opening a PR, as I've never done any SGML work before.

Best regards,
Mike Barcroft

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Linh,

hehe..in order to view this, you need an xterm capabable of viewing vietnamese fonts.  YOu need to
install the /usr/ports/vietnamese/vnxfonts.  Then add it to your X11 font path (via xset); then
spawn an xterm with the vietnamese fonts (perhaps vn9x15).  Then you can view it ;).

I do not have time for the SGML nor dynamic HTML stuff, but perhaps will try to do so in the next
few days.

Thanks your input.

Bruce\
--- Linh Pham  wrote:
> On 2001-07-15, John Doe scribbled:
> 
> #   After numerous days of excessive laziness, I've finally
> # gotten part of the FAQ translated to Vietnamese.  You can view it at
> # tbug.org/BSD-VIET.  This was written with vnelvis(1V).  If any of you
> # can read/write vietnamese, please send me suggestions/corrections.
> 
> I'm not proficient enough to read/write in Vietnamese (although I am),
> but I looked through the document to see what I could catch (little).
> 
> One thing is that when I view the document in IE 5.5 on Windows 2000,
> many of the characters end up being rendered as interesting (and
> improper) glyphs. For example, some of the characters end up turning
> into unpronounceable symbols (ie: 1/2, 3/4, the German B-like char, the
> British Pound, Greek glyphs, etc.)
> 
> Would it be possible to create the doc in HTML and use codepage specific
> to Vietnamese? This would probably break compatibility with other
> browsers, but right now... it's unreadable and cannot be understood.
> 
> Help these comments help :)
> 
> -- 
> Linh Pham
> [lplist@closedsrc.org]
> 
> // 404b - Brain not found
> 
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 09:09:22AM -0700, Nik Clayton wrote:
> nik         2001/07/16 09:09:22 PDT
> 
>   Modified files:
>     share/man/man7       hier.7 
>   Log:
>   Note which entries are created by sysinstall(8).
>   
>   Requested by:	ru
>   
>   Revision  Changes    Path
>   1.51      +5 -2      src/share/man/man7/hier.7
> 
Thanks!

PLEASE DON'T USE ENCLOSURE MACROS LIKE .Pq FOR PLAIN TEXT!

In the past (before -mdocNG), all enclosure macros had a problem
with the size of enclosing text, and this has since been fixed.
So this is no longer the case.  But the following still applies.
With -mdocNG, the use of almost any -mdoc macro intentionally
prevents hyphenation in its arguments.  Compare these:

.Po
Hostnames are domains, where a domain is a hierarchical, dot-separated
list of subdomains; for example, the machine monet, in the Berkeley
subdomain of the EDU subdomain of the Internet would be represented as
.Pc
.Pp
(Hostnames are domains, where a domain is a hierarchical, dot-separated
list of subdomains; for example, the machine monet, in the Berkeley
subdomain of the EDU subdomain of the Internet would be represented as)


Also, the use of macros increases the processing time.  IOW, the

.Pq created by Xr sysinstall 8

should be written like

(created by
.Xr sysinstall 8 )


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Current FreeBSD problem reports

The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users.
These represent problem reports covering all versions including
experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Bugs can be in one of several states:

o - open
     A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed.

a - analyzed
     The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated.

f - feedback
     The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a
     patch or a fix has been committed.  The PR remains in this state
     pending a response from the originator.

s - suspended
     The problem is not being worked on.  This is a prime candidate
     for somebody who is looking for a project to do.
     If the problem cannot be solved at all,
     it will be closed, rather than suspended.

c - closed
     A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated,
     documented, and tested.

Critical problems
Serious problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o [2000/07/18] docs/20028  doc      ASCII docs should reflect  tags
o [2000/12/28] docs/23910  doc      Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes
o [2001/05/23] docs/27605  doc      Cross-document references ()

3 problems total.

Non-critical problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
a [1998/07/31] docs/7456   doc      dialog(3) man page outdated
o [1999/04/07] docs/10997  doc      Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi
o [1999/10/06] docs/14158  doc      md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a
o [1999/10/27] docs/14565  doc      ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp
o [2000/04/03] kern/17774  doc      stray irq7
o [2000/06/05] docs/19010  doc      Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented;
o [2000/06/23] docs/19481  doc      Serial Communications chapter in Handbook
f [2000/07/17] docs/19981  doc      Indonesian translations
o [2000/08/04] docs/20400  doc      Building a kernel with debugging info sec
o [2000/08/10] docs/20528  doc      sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix.
o [2000/08/20] docs/20738  doc      correction and modification to clocks(7)
o [2000/10/10] docs/21896  doc      Mini-HOWTO for stp driver
f [2000/11/01] docs/22470  doc      man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin
o [2000/11/14] docs/22861  doc      newsyslog man page is misleading and inco
o [2000/12/11] docs/23488  doc      A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron
o [2000/12/14] docs/23559  doc      missing manpage for hsearch libc function
o [2001/01/02] docs/24035  doc      ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation
o [2001/01/26] docs/24662  doc      too many questions about source managemen
o [2001/02/01] docs/24786  doc      missing FILES descriptions in sa(4)
o [2001/02/05] docs/24869  doc      Some text elf.5 is duplicated
o [2001/02/06] docs/24923  doc      4.2 Release Errata page has no informatio
o [2001/02/11] docs/25000  doc      matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong
o [2001/02/11] docs/25016  doc      symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no 
o [2001/02/16] docs/25134  doc      Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete
a [2001/02/20] docs/25239  doc      fdp-primer/tools/chapter.sgml says about 
o [2001/02/26] docs/25392  doc      Chapter 9 pages could use 'location of fu
o [2001/02/26] docs/25405  doc      misleading warning from catman(1), etc.
o [2001/02/27] docs/25420  doc      man page missing important information.
o [2001/02/27] docs/25437  doc      kernel configs are the only precious file
o [2001/03/10] docs/25657  doc      no netid(5) man page
o [2001/03/16] docs/25876  doc      typos in jail.2
o [2001/03/19] docs/25919  doc      supported hardware list says 'no' for Sou
o [2001/03/22] docs/26001  doc      typo in sched_get_priority_max.2
f [2001/03/22] docs/26003  doc      getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not sy
o [2001/03/22] docs/26006  doc      Changing zone(9) man page
o [2001/03/28] docs/26194  doc      BSD Family Tree needs updated
o [2001/04/02] docs/26286  doc      *printf(3) etc should gain format string 
o [2001/04/08] docs/26451  doc      ctype.h defined functions are not accurat
o [2001/04/10] docs/26489  doc      incomplete info in the ppp faq about "PPP
o [2001/04/18] docs/26692  doc      boot manpage describes bootfile prompt in
o [2001/04/21] misc/26742  doc      misleading information in handbook
o [2001/04/25] docs/26861  doc      accept(2) manpage documents non-existant 
o [2001/05/02] docs/27027  doc      Update src/share/misc/iso639
o [2001/05/02] docs/27040  doc      rc(8) and syscons(4) talk about rc.conf.l
o [2001/05/08] docs/27209  doc      [PATCH] ascii.7 table rearrangement and u
o [2001/05/14] docs/27320  doc      excessively vague information in pppoe pa
o [2001/05/18] docs/27430  doc      Addition to the doc/sr_YU/articles tree
o [2001/05/25] docs/27653  doc      Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME
o [2001/05/26] docs/27654  doc      Update to PR 27653
o [2001/05/29] docs/27731  doc      Incorrect example code in dev handbook ca
o [2001/05/29] docs/27758  doc      ptrace(2) man page outdated
o [2001/06/02] docs/27833  doc      No man page for locate.rc
o [2001/06/02] docs/27843  doc      [PATCH] make.conf WITH_* variables aren't
o [2001/06/06] docs/27915  doc      man 5 passwd does not properly explain th
o [2001/06/09] docs/28000  doc      adding and changing information in vidcon
s [2001/06/14] docs/28144  doc      no manpage for host.conf, no xrefs in oth
o [2001/06/20] docs/28306  doc      docbook.css and OBJDIR
o [2001/06/30] docs/28555  doc      [PATCH] style(9) isn't explicit about boo
o [2001/07/03] docs/28679  doc      Images in handbook/advanced-networking mi
o [2001/07/04] docs/28699  doc      strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl
a [2001/07/04] docs/28705  doc      the rest of those unfinished closing tags
a [2001/07/05] docs/28723  doc      www2.cz.FreeBSD.org is dead - remove it p
o [2001/07/12] docs/28915  doc      inconsistency in a man page (versus KERNE
o [2001/07/12] docs/28916  doc      DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-
o [2001/07/13] docs/28949  doc      the mknod(8) man page stills refers to bl
o [2001/07/15] docs/28994  doc      New article for docproj "Checkpoint VPN-1
o [2001/07/16] docs/29002  doc      strcpy manpage incorrectly states both st

67 problems total.


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On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 08:27:37PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 09:09:22AM -0700, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > nik         2001/07/16 09:09:22 PDT
> >=20
> >   Modified files:
> >     share/man/man7       hier.7=20
> >   Log:
> >   Note which entries are created by sysinstall(8).
> >  =20
> >   Requested by:	ru
> >  =20
> >   Revision  Changes    Path
> >   1.51      +5 -2      src/share/man/man7/hier.7
> >=20
> Thanks!
>=20
> PLEASE DON'T USE ENCLOSURE MACROS LIKE .Pq FOR PLAIN TEXT!

Do you want to add this to mdoc.samples?

N
--=20
FreeBSD: The Power to Serve             http://www.freebsd.org/
FreeBSD Documentation Project           http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/

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On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:47:14PM +0200, Christoph Sold wrote:
> since man tuning manpage was announced on -doc and -questions, I got
> asked to forward this manpage by email at least once a day.

It's online with additional content not in the man page :

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-tuning.html

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According to O'Reilly's word list:
Unix (UNIX in many books, esp. older ones)

UNIX appears about 10 to 1 to Unix in the handbook.  At first, I resorted
to changing all instances of Unix to UNIX to make our document more
standard, but then realized Unix looks a lot more aesthetically pleasing.

According to O'Reilly, are we a new document or an old book?

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I'd like it the other way around.

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 15:21: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CDC37B406 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6GLwnP30883; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:58:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:58:49 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Chern Lee Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix Message-ID: <20010716225849.A29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 01:52:49PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 01:52:49PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: > According to O'Reilly's word list: > Unix (UNIX in many books, esp. older ones) >=20 > UNIX appears about 10 to 1 to Unix in the handbook. At first, I resorted > to changing all instances of Unix to UNIX to make our document more > standard, but then realized Unix looks a lot more aesthetically pleasing. >=20 > According to O'Reilly, are we a new document or an old book? >=20 > Attached is a patch changing all relevant instances of Unix -> UNIX. >=20 > I'd like it the other way around. Ditto. It's not an acronym, it's a pun -- you don't write "WINDOWS". =20 It should be "Unix". N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtTY5kACgkQk6gHZCw343X/zwCfSX18KM0WjOSmfhxnjfuXlcEb btkAn2617Wa9Wj9EtiIORVaRV2S8eVU5 =Ftj4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 16:14:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C07437B401; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6GNEZA75933; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:14:35 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Nik Clayton Cc: Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix Message-ID: <20010716161435.B75123@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010716225849.A29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010716225849.A29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 10:58:49PM +0100 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 10:58:49PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > Ditto. It's not an acronym, it's a pun -- you don't write "WINDOWS". > It should be "Unix". Chern, I agree, I say go ahead and make the change to 'Unix'. I'd probably also update the nascent wordlist in the Primer but thats not required since as you mentioned, it is in the O'Reilly word list. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 16:24:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457D337B403; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikeh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from mikeh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6GNJkm79798; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikeh) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107162319.f6GNJkm79798@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, mikeh@FreeBSD.org, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pending/28780: Re: inconsistent use of and in committers-guide article for cvs commands Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Re: inconsistent use of and in committers-guide article for cvs commands State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: mikeh State-Changed-When: Mon Jul 16 16:15:05 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Appears to have been a followup to docs/28731. Responsible-Changed-From-To: gnats-admin->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: mikeh Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jul 16 16:15:05 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: Misfiled. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28780 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 16:35:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h020.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4437C37B405 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todorov@space.com) Received: (cpmta 16504 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 16:35:25 -0700 Date: 16 Jul 2001 16:35:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20010716233525.16503.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 16 Jul 2001 23:35:25 GMT Received: from [195.138.154.25] by mail.space.com with HTTP; 16 Jul 2001 16:35:25 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: todorov@space.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: todorov@space.com Subject: Handbook Translation Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear FreeBSD Staff, I am a 18-year-old student from Buglaria and I'm really mad about *BSD, especially FreeBSD. I know that The FreeBSD handbook hasn't got any translation in Bulgarian, so I'd like to ask if it is possible for me to start translating it in Bulgarian. I appreciate your time. Thanks. Sincerely, Angel Todorov, Bulgaria ___________________________________________________________________ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 18:32:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E2037B40F for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (chern@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6H1U7P78386 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:30:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:30:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Chern Lee To: Subject: Unix Plural Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've come across a few plural versions of Unix in the handbook--there probably are more. Officially, what should it be? I changed "UNIX's" to Unixes today, I've seen Unixes at least one other place in the Handbook. Common English sense has me saying "Unices" (ie: Indices, and the like). - chern To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 18:43:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B6837B40A; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4514A6ACCA; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:13:09 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:13:09 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Nik Clayton Cc: Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix Message-ID: <20010717111309.E70499@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010716225849.A29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010716225849.A29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 10:58:49PM +0100 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 16 July 2001 at 22:58:49 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 01:52:49PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: >> According to O'Reilly's word list: >> Unix (UNIX in many books, esp. older ones) >> >> UNIX appears about 10 to 1 to Unix in the handbook. At first, I resorted >> to changing all instances of Unix to UNIX to make our document more >> standard, but then realized Unix looks a lot more aesthetically pleasing. >> >> According to O'Reilly, are we a new document or an old book? >> >> Attached is a patch changing all relevant instances of Unix -> UNIX. >> >> I'd like it the other way around. > > Ditto. It's not an acronym, it's a pun -- you don't write "WINDOWS". > It should be "Unix". The word is UNIX. Misspelling it Unix doesn't make it right. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 19: 1:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1339837B409 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:58:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6H1wYu78894 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:58:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:58:34 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to move "Chapter 6. The FreeBSD Booting Process" out of "Part II System Administration" and into "Part IV Advanced Topics". I would also like to move "Chapter 13. The X Window System" from "Part II System Administration" to the end of "Part I Getting Started". I think that making a user read 13 chapters before learning how to start KDE is going to scare people off. Objections? Better ideas? - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 19:20:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923A537B403; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:20:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6H2JAt61767; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: grog@freebsd.org Cc: nik@freebsd.org, chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix In-Reply-To: <20010717111309.E70499@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010716225849.A29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010717111309.E70499@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010716191910Z.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:19:10 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 36 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, I seem to remember a posting from Rob Pike that said "it's spelled Unix, get over it" in response to a previous run of contraversy. - Jordan From: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:13:09 +0930 > On Monday, 16 July 2001 at 22:58:49 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 01:52:49PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: > >> According to O'Reilly's word list: > >> Unix (UNIX in many books, esp. older ones) > >> > >> UNIX appears about 10 to 1 to Unix in the handbook. At first, I resorted > >> to changing all instances of Unix to UNIX to make our document more > >> standard, but then realized Unix looks a lot more aesthetically pleasing. > >> > >> According to O'Reilly, are we a new document or an old book? > >> > >> Attached is a patch changing all relevant instances of Unix -> UNIX. > >> > >> I'd like it the other way around. > > > > Ditto. It's not an acronym, it's a pun -- you don't write "WINDOWS". > > It should be "Unix". > > The word is UNIX. Misspelling it Unix doesn't make it right. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 19:55:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B7E37B407 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r1.bfm.org [216.127.220.97]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:58:39 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010716215314.0087cad0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:53:14 -0500 To: Chern Lee , From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Unix Plural In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 18:30 2001-07-16 -0700, Chern Lee wrote: >Officially, what should it be? I changed "UNIX's" to Unixes today, >I've seen Unixes at least one other place in the Handbook. Common English >sense has me saying "Unices" (ie: Indices, and the like). Index is a Latin word. Its genitive (in Latin) is indicis. Its word stem is "indic" as can also be seen in such words as "indicative". No such thing can be said about Unix. It is an English word, despite it being inspired by the Latin "unus" (one). There is no such thing as "unicative" or whatever. Add to it that it really makes little sense to talk about a plural when it comes to Unix. If anything, you can talk of "Unix systems", or "versions of Unix", or "Unix clones", or "implementations of Unix", and such. IMHO, you should try to find an expression like these rather than using a plural form of Unix. But, if all else fails, go with Unixes, the proper English plural of an English word ending in 'x'. However, if we start writing about Unixes instead of varieties of Unix, we may as well start using "can't", "won't", and "it's". We may also be infringing on a trademark. Cheers, Adam --- http://phonecowboy.com/registrar/twist/ finds a good domain for you and checks for its existence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 20:41:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5745437B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ixian@idiom.com) Received: (from ixian@localhost) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA60204; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:41:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: idiom.com: ixian set sender to ixian@idiom.com using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15187.46041.478486.392939@idiom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric De Mund To: Chern Lee Cc: Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.4.1 Reply-To: Eric De Mund X-Humans-Reply-To: Eric De Mund X-URL: X-POM: The Moon is Waning Crescent (19% of Full) Organization: Ixian Systems, Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chern, ] According to O'Reilly's word list: ] Unix (UNIX in many books, esp. older ones) ] UNIX appears about 10 to 1 to Unix in the handbook. At first, I ] resorted to changing all instances of Unix to UNIX to make our ] document more standard, but then realized Unix looks a lot more ] aesthetically pleasing. ] According to O'Reilly, are we a new document or an old book? ] Attached is a patch changing all relevant instances of Unix -> UNIX. ] I'd like it the other way around. ] ] Ideas? As an aside, if you're wishing to say that FreeBSD *is* UNIX/Unix, I believe you need to be aware of and not run afoul of trademarks. IANAL, yet I believe that stating what FreeBSD is derived from rather than what it is is another, less tricky (in the legal domain, at least) matter. Who do Wind River's attorneys say own the trademarks `UNIX' and `Unix'? On to the main point. My short answer is, "I believe `UNIX' rather than `Unix' is correct." My other short answer is, "`UNIX' probably predates `Unix' by only a little bit, months if not weeks, as both were used back in New Jersey in 1969-1970, so you can probably just pick one and stick with it." Here's my longer answer. If correctness is defined as the capitalization originally used at AT&T in 1969-1970, I believe "UNIX" is correct. From Peter Salus's _A Quarter Century of UNIX_ (Copyright 1994 by Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc., ISBN 0-201-54777-5), Chapter 1, Summer 1969-Fall 1970: Cross assembling meant using two computer systems and carrying paper tapes from one to the other each time a change was made. ... The system supported two people working at the same time and the term UNICS was apparently coined by Peter Neumann, an inveterate punster, in 1970. [UNiplexed Information and Computing Service, was a pun on 'emasculated Multics'; several people have told me that Brian Kernighan changed the spelling, but Kernighan said that no one recalls whose idea the change to UNIX was]. I believe this is so even though a) being a UNIX lover, the all- uppercase is, indeed, jarring, and b) Salus writes in the Acknowledge- ments: Doug McIlroy told me that he thought spelling UNIX with capital letters, rather than Unix, had been a grave error. I have adopted his suggestion and used Unix in most places. Similarly, from the third edition of _The New Hacker's Dictionary_ by Eric Raymond (Copyright 1996 Eric S. Raymond, ISBN 0-262-68092-0): Some people are confused over whether this word is appropriately `UNIX' or `Unix'; both forms are common, and used interchangeably. Dennis Ritchie says that the `UNIX' spelling originally happened in CACM's 1974 paper *The UNIX Time-Sharing System* because "we had a new typesetter and troff had just been invented and we were intoxicated by being able to produce small caps." Later, dmr tried to get the spelling changed to `Unix' in a couple of Bell Labs papers, on the grounds that the word is not acronymic. He failed, and eventually (his words) "wimped out" on the issue. So, while the trademark today is `UNIX', both capitalizations are grounded in ancient usage; the Jargon File uses `Unix' in deference to dmr's wishes. However, if correctness is defined as the capitalization originally used by BSD, then I can't say, as I can't seem to find it in either of the above two books and am not sure where else one would turn to find this. Finally, if correctness is defined by what the attorneys at Wind River say as to who owns what trademark now, today, then they might be the ones to consult. Note that both the "Wind River Acquires BSDi" press release as well as FAQ use `UNIX' instead of `Unix' all but one time. Regards, Eric -- Eric De Mund | Ixian Systems, Inc. | 53 49 B2 23 AF 6C 20 81 http://www.ixian.com/ead/ | Mountain View, CA | ED DD 4C 81 AA C9 D1 A5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 22:21: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D3337B405; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6H5Am844333; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:10:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:10:48 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Greg Lehey Cc: Nik Clayton , Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix Message-ID: <20010717061048.B29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010716225849.A29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010717111309.E70499@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MW5yreqqjyrRcusr" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010717111309.E70499@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:13:09AM +0930 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --MW5yreqqjyrRcusr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:13:09AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > The word is UNIX. Misspelling it Unix doesn't make it right. Dennis Ritchie writes "Unix"[1]. That's good enough for me. N [1] http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/ --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --MW5yreqqjyrRcusr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtTyNcACgkQk6gHZCw343UlIQCeNQADD7EB9PbYH3ogqKwp8UBx gGwAn0aMmRyGZ/GNk1ysjNsIfbwqGHLd =q3hZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MW5yreqqjyrRcusr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 22:28:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D76337B40D for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from btdang@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.248.85.196]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010717052812.NUAJ18785.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:28:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3B53CE24.DB683C47@home.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:33:24 -0700 From: Bruce Dang Organization: Boys & Girls Clubs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook Translation References: <20010716233525.16503.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Angel, Great! Before you start doing the actual translation, might want to look at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ for more information on this. Have fun translating. Bruce Dang www.tbug.org todorov@space.com wrote: > > Dear FreeBSD Staff, > I am a 18-year-old student from Buglaria and I'm really mad about *BSD, especially FreeBSD. I know that The FreeBSD handbook hasn't got any translation in Bulgarian, so I'd like to ask if it is possible for me to start translating it in Bulgarian. > I appreciate your time. Thanks. > Sincerely, > Angel Todorov, > Bulgaria > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 22:33:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A269137B40A for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:33:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from btdang@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.248.85.196]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010717053317.OBJI18785.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:33:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3B53CF56.93026C89@home.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:38:30 -0700 From: Bruce Dang Organization: Boys & Girls Clubs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yea, I think it'd be more logical to move the 'Booting Process' to 'Advanced Topics' or somewhere in the beginning. Regarding the KDE stuff, I don't think that'd be a problem, because it's a matter of .xinitrc/.xsession. Bruce Dang www.tbug.org Murray Stokely wrote: > > I would like to move "Chapter 6. The FreeBSD Booting Process" out of > "Part II System Administration" and into "Part IV Advanced Topics". > > I would also like to move "Chapter 13. The X Window System" from "Part > II System Administration" to the end of "Part I Getting Started". > > I think that making a user read 13 chapters before learning how to > start KDE is going to scare people off. > > Objections? Better ideas? > > - Murray > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 23:27:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5A037B410 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id IAA08753; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:34:55 +0200 Message-ID: <3B53DB3B.4BA0748B@i-clue.de> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:29:15 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alexus Cc: docs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: out of entropy References: <011301c10e46$66da80e0$0d00a8c0@alexus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org alexus schrieb: > > I'm sorry in advance for a cross posting, I just need to resolve this issue > a.s.a.p. > > I'm using FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE and latest version of bind 9 > > su-2.05# dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 128 -n HOST box.nexgen.com > dnssec-keygen: failed to generate key box.nexgen.com/157: out of entropy > > su-2.05# > > any ideas why? and how do i get around it? Because you have not gather enough random data to generate another key. Continue using your machine the standard way. Out of keystrokes, network data and other sources more random data will be gathered. Later, try again. HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 23:34:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE7A37B401; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6H6Xb947525; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:33:37 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:33:37 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Nik Clayton Cc: cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The use of enclosure mdoc(7) macros like .Pq (was: Re: cvs commit: src/share/man/man7 hier.7) Message-ID: <20010717093337.A47056@sunbay.com> Mail-Followup-To: Nik Clayton , cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org References: <200107161609.f6GG9M117281@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010716202737.J51681@sunbay.com> <20010716193038.O27331@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010716193038.O27331@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 07:30:38PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 07:30:38PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 08:27:37PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 09:09:22AM -0700, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > nik 2001/07/16 09:09:22 PDT > > > > > > Modified files: > > > share/man/man7 hier.7 > > > Log: > > > Note which entries are created by sysinstall(8). > > > > > > Requested by: ru > > > > > > Revision Changes Path > > > 1.51 +5 -2 src/share/man/man7/hier.7 > > > > > Thanks! > > > > PLEASE DON'T USE ENCLOSURE MACROS LIKE .Pq FOR PLAIN TEXT! > > Do you want to add this to mdoc.samples? > Yes probably, but I would appreciate some help in formulating this. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 16 23:57:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457BF37B406 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:57:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id JAA08912; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:05:07 +0200 Message-ID: <3B53E250.BEF9904A@i-clue.de> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:59:28 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray Stokely Cc: Christoph Sold , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: man tuning (7) References: <3B52E252.4ABE0D56@i-clue.de> <20010716125907.B71899@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Murray Stokely schrieb: > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:47:14PM +0200, Christoph Sold wrote: > > since man tuning manpage was announced on -doc and -questions, I got > > asked to forward this manpage by email at least once a day. > > It's online with additional content not in the man page : > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-tuning.html Thanks. Maybe a pointer in the manpage would help? -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 17 4:25:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from infinitive.futureperfectcorporation.com (curie.sunesi.com [196.25.112.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 911E437B408 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 04:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@gerund.futureperfectcorporation.com) Received: (qmail 16886 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2001 11:25:53 -0000 Received: from choke.sunesi.net (HELO gerund.futureperfectcorporation.com) (196.25.112.242) by infinitive.futureperfectcorporation.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 11:25:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 27377 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Jul 2001 11:25:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:25:41 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010717132541.B24644@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 06:58:34PM -0700 Organization: iTouch Labs X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://mithrandr.moria.org/nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 2001-07-16 (18:58), Murray Stokely wrote: > I would like to move "Chapter 6. The FreeBSD Booting Process" out of > "Part II System Administration" and into "Part IV Advanced Topics". > > I would also like to move "Chapter 13. The X Window System" from "Part > II System Administration" to the end of "Part I Getting Started". > > I think that making a user read 13 chapters before learning how to > start KDE is going to scare people off. > > Objections? Better ideas? I'd prefer it stay near the start (as the author), as it isn't really all that complicated (except possibly due to my writing style), and it's something that people often need to understand early on in the process of learning FreeBSD - possibly even at install time. But I'm not particularly motivated to argue about it - do whatever seems appropriate to most. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 17 6:48:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF7337B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6HDmM477821 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:48:22 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200107171348.f6HDmM477821@lists.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:48:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: newsyslog and $MLD0 Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think we should slightly modify the man page. Not because it's wrong, but because it gives an example, which although correct, it causes a problem. With me at least. And I've checked with others. They have the same miscomprehension. Reading man newsyslog you will find: $MLD0 rotate at the last day of every month at midnight I have an entry in newsyslog.conf which looks like this: /var/log/radacct/pm3/detail 640 12 * $MLD0 Z /var/run/radiusd.pid I thought that would be good for monthly logs. But it's not. Midnight is the start of the day, not the end of the day. So at the start of Jun 30, the logs are rotated. And the entries for Jun 30 are in /var/log/radacct/pm3/detail, not /var/log/radacct/pm3/detail.0.gz. Jun 30 will be in the same file as Jul 1. newsyslog works as advertised. I don't dispute that. It's just that most people *think* midnight is the end of the day. It's not. It's the start of the day. I propose we modify the man page to be a bit more helpful. What about adding this? $M1D0 rotate at the first day of every month at midnight (note that midnight is at the start of the day) Suggestions for a better neon sign are welcome. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 17 11:42:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from flojo.cse.ucsc.edu (flojo.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.49.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78BAB37B406; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carvalho@soe.ucsc.edu) Received: from localhost (carvalho@localhost) by flojo.cse.ucsc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA29846; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:42:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: flojo.cse.ucsc.edu: carvalho owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcelo Carvalho X-Sender: carvalho@flojo.cse.ucsc.edu To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Missing chapter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm currently trying to find information of how to modify and compile the kernel in FreeBSD. Apparently, you guys have a mistake in the main page of the handbook. I found a "chapter 23" about debbuging the kernel that is not included in the table of contents. Furthermore, if you go forward, clicking on the "next" link, you end up at the chapter 22 (???). I would like to take the opportunity and ask more information on kernel debugging. I'm supposed to change the files under /sys/netinet and I have no idea on how to get started. In other words, what are the procedures, after changing some files, to compile the kernel? Do I have to create a new kernel just because I changed some files in the netinet directory? Please, let me know some directions, guides, guidelines, whatever, as soon as possible. I would really appreciate some help in this journey. I found FreeBSD very convenient to work and I won't to take as much as possible from this great OS! Congratulations!!! Thanks, -- Marcelo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 17 13: 7:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512D137B401; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:07:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6HK6R592283; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:06:27 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Marcelo Carvalho Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Missing chapter Message-ID: <20010717130627.I88943@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from carvalho@soe.ucsc.edu on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:42:01AM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:42:01AM -0700, Marcelo Carvalho wrote: > I'm currently trying to find information of how to modify and > compile the kernel in FreeBSD. Apparently, you guys have a mistake in the > main page of the handbook. I found a "chapter 23" about debbuging the > kernel that is not included in the table of contents. Furthermore, if you > go forward, clicking on the "next" link, you end up at the chapter 22 > (???). Uhm, That chapter is in the process of being moved to the Developer's Handbook, since this information is a little out of scope for the Handbook-proper. I'm not sure where you are seeing this on the table of contents though. If I go to http://www.freebsd.org/handbook there is no Chapter 23 present, which is correct. > I would like to take the opportunity and ask more information on > kernel debugging. I'm supposed to change the files under /sys/netinet and > I have no idea on how to get started. In other words, what are the > procedures, after changing some files, to compile the kernel? Do I have to > create a new kernel just because I changed some files in the netinet > directory? For the time being you can get a copy of the Handbook with this Chapter 23 from : http://docs.freebsd.org/handbook/en/4.3R/ This is a copy of the Handbook as it shipped with FreeBSD 4.3, which contains the information you are looking for. Sorry for the confusion, - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 17 14:28:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0DC37B403 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6HLSgq78824; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:28:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:28:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200107172128.f6HLSgq78824@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: whizkid@eeoth.pair.com Subject: Re: ASCII Diagram Replacements X-Newsgroups: mit.lcs.mail.freebsd-doc In-Reply-To: <20010711233447.A44030@eeoth.pair.com> References: <20010711190725.B49668@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Cc: doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Browsing the archives to resurrect an old thread.... In article <20010711233447.A44030@eeoth.pair.com> you write: >The best thing would be to write our own application under BSD license. >Unfortunately, I have never done any XWindow programming, though this >may be a good reason to start, I suppose. :) I have always used `idraw' from the InterViews toolkit. It is a pain to build (although far less so than anything Gnomish) and a bit limited in what it can do, but it does have two good features: it has a relatively reasonable license, and its internal file format also happens to be valid Encapsulated PostScript. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. 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Call with your fax number and we`ll gladly fax you details....0207 644 3404 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 17 17:39:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ADF37B405; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@Glue.umd.edu) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:root@z.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.71]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6I0dO720093; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29427; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29423; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:39:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: z.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:39:23 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard To: Nik Clayton Cc: Greg Lehey , Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix In-Reply-To: <20010717061048.B29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > Dennis Ritchie writes "Unix"[1]. That's good enough for me. The v7 manual uses UNIX. Also, isn't the trademark UNIX? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 17 18:51:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D5037B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:51:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (chern@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6I1pGB97196; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Chern Lee To: Cc: Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO In-Reply-To: <200107180137.f6I1bY040391@misha.privatelabs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've moved this over to -doc, since it belongs here. Tcl is an acronym, but it is commonly referred to as Tcl. Examples: - "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" by Brent B. Welch - All instances of "Tcl" at http://www.scriptics.com (this was the official Tcl site, not sure if it still is) Also, Tcl slightly outnumbered TCL in the handbook. - chern On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 mi@aldan.algebra.com wrote: > > Standardize: > > TCL -> Tcl > > But TCL _is_ an acronym -- Tools Command Language... > > -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 17 21:13: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AB637B403; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6I4ClY98755; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:12:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:12:47 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Cc: chern@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/solid-state article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/storage-devices article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ipv6 chapter.sgml ... Message-ID: <20010717211247.B98598@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200107172220.f6HMKs699389@freefall.freebsd.org> <200107180137.f6I1bY040391@misha.privatelabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107180137.f6I1bY040391@misha.privatelabs.com>; from mi@aldan.algebra.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 09:37:31PM -0400 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 09:37:31PM -0400, mi@aldan.algebra.com wrote: > But TCL _is_ an acronym -- Tools Command Language... Yes, but its spelled 'Tcl' by Ousterhout, www.scriptics.com, and every book on the subject that I've ever read. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 17 23:34:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6790737B403; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ru@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6I6VkJ88184; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:31:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107180631.f6I6VkJ88184@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, eric@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/7456: dialog(3) man page outdated Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: dialog(3) man page outdated Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->eric Responsible-Changed-By: ru Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 17 23:31:19 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: Seems I have found a victim. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=7456 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 18 0:21:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A25C37B405 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6I7Fc162320; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:15:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:15:37 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Chern Lee Cc: mi@aldan.algebra.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO Message-ID: <20010718081537.F29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200107180137.f6I1bY040391@misha.privatelabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Wb5NtZlyOqqy58h0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 06:51:16PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Wb5NtZlyOqqy58h0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 06:51:16PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: > I've moved this over to -doc, since it belongs here. >=20 > Tcl is an acronym, but it is commonly referred to as Tcl. >=20 > Examples: > - "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" by Brent B. Welch > - All instances of "Tcl" at http://www.scriptics.com (this was the > official Tcl site, not sure if it still is) >=20 > Also, Tcl slightly outnumbered TCL in the handbook. Tcl is not the only language to do this of course -- Perl is another. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --Wb5NtZlyOqqy58h0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtVN5gACgkQk6gHZCw343UYuACfV18xIw0lPvEUEiyhay9CtzbF IkAAnRJmUlt9EhgqYeYxfVv4kSsUm5XR =Bn09 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Wb5NtZlyOqqy58h0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 18 0:21:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F3137B403; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:21:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6I7H7R62330; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:17:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:17:07 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: James Howard Cc: Nik Clayton , Greg Lehey , Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix Message-ID: <20010718081707.G29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010717061048.B29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WkfBGePaEyrk4zXB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from howardjp@Glue.umd.edu on Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 08:39:23PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --WkfBGePaEyrk4zXB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 08:39:23PM -0400, James Howard wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: >=20 > > Dennis Ritchie writes "Unix"[1]. That's good enough for me. >=20 > The v7 manual uses UNIX. Also, isn't the trademark UNIX? See the final paragraph of=20 http://www.tuxedo.org/jargon/html/entry/Unix.html N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --WkfBGePaEyrk4zXB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtVN/IACgkQk6gHZCw343U0ZACfZOeinoyjh2gdmYhWaQ6oThqa Tj4An0bXBQg+jZnC6aUyZfKKPyDNBx4I =4eG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WkfBGePaEyrk4zXB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 18 4:18: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cartman.techsupport.co.uk (cabletel1.cableol.net [194.168.3.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840CB37B406; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri@techsupport.co.uk) Received: from ceri by cartman.techsupport.co.uk with local (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15MpMO-0007AJ-00; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:19:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:19:20 +0100 From: Ceri To: Nik Clayton Cc: Chern Lee , mi@aldan.algebra.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO Message-ID: <20010718121920.B22510@cartman.techsupport.co.uk> References: <200107180137.f6I1bY040391@misha.privatelabs.com> <20010718081537.F29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010718081537.F29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 08:15:37AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 08:15:37AM +0100, Nik Clayton said: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 06:51:16PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: > > > > Tcl is an acronym, but it is commonly referred to as Tcl. > > > > Also, Tcl slightly outnumbered TCL in the handbook. > > Tcl is not the only language to do this of course -- Perl is another. I beg to differ. Check the first result from `perldoc -q "what's the difference"` Ceri -- I probably wouldn't like you. Really. I really probably wouldn't like you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 18 4:51:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5484237B403 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6IBObS63238; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:24:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:24:37 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho , ldp-discuss , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gnome Help 2.0 Message-ID: <20010718122437.K29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010716181508.I5889@lupercalia.net> <10107161810.ZM21556@hoop.timonium.sgi.com> <20010716183808.M5889@lupercalia.net> <20010716204303.C1045@inkstain.net> <20010716210908.E1045@inkstain.net> <20010716220520.H1045@inkstain.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NqNl6FRZtoRUn5bW" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010716220520.H1045@inkstain.net>; from jfleck@inkstain.net on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 10:05:20PM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --NqNl6FRZtoRUn5bW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 10:05:20PM -0600, John Fleck wrote: > Good questions. I'm cross posting to the gnome-doc-list, where others > can chime in. I'm copying the FreeBSD -doc list on this as well. > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 12:46:30AM -0300, Jorge Luiz Godoy Filho wrote: > > 1.1. How to locate DSSSL stylesheets? Or we'll be restricted only to > > Norman Walsh's default stylesheets? (Honestly, I think they > > aren't enough and always need some customization to reflect > > project decision -- such as TOC, TOC level, CSS stylesheets, > > admonitions images, new processing directives, etc.) >=20 > Well, we've only wandered into the quagmire of proliferating > stylesheets in the last couple of days. My original intention was to > make *a* custom stylesheet for all DocBook docs, others have argued we > need multiple ones to uniquely display KDE, LDP, etc: >=20 > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2001-July/msg00108.html I've just had a look at that -- it doesn't begin to cover some of the complexities when you have documents that are designed to be processed with different parameters to the parser to control (for example) the conditional inclusion of different chunks of text. Remember that what the end user sees as a single document may contain content that's come from a number of different locations. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --NqNl6FRZtoRUn5bW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtVcfQACgkQk6gHZCw343XRgQCfW4MGv2qBND1tT0pxIB7MjOqY rt8An2iYV9OKq5VZieVmEtHUqo2TwCTG =A02u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NqNl6FRZtoRUn5bW-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 18 5:20:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3DC37B405; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6IBsch63450; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:54:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:54:38 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Ceri Cc: Nik Clayton , Chern Lee , mi@aldan.algebra.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO Message-ID: <20010718125438.M29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200107180137.f6I1bY040391@misha.privatelabs.com> <20010718081537.F29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010718121920.B22510@cartman.techsupport.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oYAXToTM8kn9Ra/9" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010718121920.B22510@cartman.techsupport.co.uk>; from ceri@techsupport.co.uk on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 12:19:20PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --oYAXToTM8kn9Ra/9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 12:19:20PM +0100, Ceri wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 08:15:37AM +0100, Nik Clayton said: > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 06:51:16PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: > > >=20 > > > Tcl is an acronym, but it is commonly referred to as Tcl. > > >=20 > > > Also, Tcl slightly outnumbered TCL in the handbook. > >=20 > > Tcl is not the only language to do this of course -- Perl is another. >=20 > I beg to differ. > Check the first result from `perldoc -q "what's the difference"` We're in violent agreement. Although it's an acronym, it's not spelt with all-caps. % perldoc perl NAME perl - Practical Extraction and Report Language N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --oYAXToTM8kn9Ra/9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtVeP0ACgkQk6gHZCw343UZcACfa8/YUyep+TtrP7PD8JBEE01s UbwAnj2pvj1qRVkmwDVn9r7VGY+XIYvk =hg2H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oYAXToTM8kn9Ra/9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 18 5:38:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cartman.techsupport.co.uk (cabletel1.cableol.net [194.168.3.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D256837B401; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri@techsupport.co.uk) Received: from ceri by cartman.techsupport.co.uk with local (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15MqcW-0004fA-00; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:40:04 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:40:04 +0100 From: Ceri To: Nik Clayton Cc: Chern Lee , mi@aldan.algebra.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/new-users article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe article.sgml doc/en_US.ISO Message-ID: <20010718134004.A16772@cartman.techsupport.co.uk> References: <200107180137.f6I1bY040391@misha.privatelabs.com> <20010718081537.F29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010718121920.B22510@cartman.techsupport.co.uk> <20010718125438.M29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010718125438.M29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 12:54:38PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 12:54:38PM +0100, Nik Clayton said: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 12:19:20PM +0100, Ceri wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 08:15:37AM +0100, Nik Clayton said: > > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 06:51:16PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: > > > > > > > > Tcl is an acronym, but it is commonly referred to as Tcl. > > > > > > > > Also, Tcl slightly outnumbered TCL in the handbook. > > > > > > Tcl is not the only language to do this of course -- Perl is another. > > > > I beg to differ. > > Check the first result from `perldoc -q "what's the difference"` > > We're in violent agreement. Although it's an acronym, it's not spelt > with all-caps. Sorry, I misparsed your statement... Ceri -- I probably wouldn't like you. Really. I really probably wouldn't like you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 18 9:14:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ringworld.nanolink.com (ringworld.nanolink.com [195.24.48.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 44AD937B405 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:14:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roam@orbitel.bg) Received: (qmail 75308 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Jul 2001 16:18:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:18:37 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: [CFR] Handbook doc for installkernel failure at securelevel Message-ID: <20010718191837.E29731@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, As noted in PR conf/29043, sometimes people are not immediately aware of the effect of securelevel > 0 on the immutable flag, or of the fact that 'chflags -[no]schg' has to do with the immutable flag at all. Any reason not to add some explanatory text to the trouble-shooting section of handbook/kerneldebug, as in the attached patch? This might have been done as an additional paragraph in the 'make fails' item in the list, but I have some vague plans of also documenting the problem with a non-existent modules directory, discussed in PR kern/26317, and (to some extent) addressed in my commit to src/sys/conf/kmod.mk earlier today. I think that it would only be logical to separate build and install failures. Any style floggings (first head-on collision with DocBook here ;) and any general comments are welcome! G'luck, Peter PS. OK, so I can notice a style nit myself. I know that the 'command' part in the explanation "(the make install or make installkernel command failed)" is superfluous according to the FDP, but I only mimicked the rest of this particular chapter; after all, this is also intended for newbies to read and understand, right? :) -- This sentence contains exactly threee erors. Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.52 diff -u -r1.52 chapter.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml 2001/07/17 22:20:49 1.52 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml 2001/07/18 16:10:37 @@ -1118,7 +1118,7 @@ If Something Goes Wrong - There are four categories of trouble that can occur when + There are five categories of trouble that can occur when building a custom kernel. They are: @@ -1153,6 +1153,24 @@ over your configuration, and if you still cannot resolve the problem, send mail to the &a.questions; with your kernel configuration, and it should be diagnosed very quickly. + + + + + Installing the new kernel fails + + + If the kernel compiled fine, but failed to install + (the make install or + make installkernel command failed), + the first thing to check is if your system is running at + securelevel 1 or higher (see &man.init.8;). The kernel + installation tries to remove the immutable flag from + your old kernel file, and set + the immutable flag on the new one. Since securelevel 1 + or higher prevents changing the immutable flag for any + files on the system, the kernel installation needs to be + performed at securelevel 0 or lower. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 18 10:38:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E464237B403 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EAE3E2F; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:37:55 -0700 (PDT) To: Peter Pentchev Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CFR] Handbook doc for installkernel failure at securelevel In-Reply-To: <20010718191837.E29731@ringworld.oblivion.bg>; from roam@orbitel.bg on "Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:18:37 +0300" Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:37:55 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010718173755.D9EAE3E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Pentchev writes: > Index: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml ... > + > + Installing the new kernel fails > + > + > + If the kernel compiled fine, but failed to install > + (the make install or > + make installkernel command failed), > + the first thing to check is if your system is running at > + securelevel 1 or higher (see &man.init.8;). The kernel > + installation tries to remove the immutable flag from > + your old kernel file, and set I think this would be better written: ..tries to remove the immutable flag from your old kernel, and set... since not all kernels are named "kernel". > + the immutable flag on the new one. Since securelevel 1 > + or higher prevents changing the immutable flag for any ^^^^^^^^^^ This isn't technicall true. You can set schg on files to your heart's desire with a raised securelevel; there's no risk in doing that, so it's allowed. You just can't lower it. A minor nit, perhaps, but it'd be nice if things were accurate. Other than that, it looks pretty good. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 18 13:10: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from visionplanner.com (visionplanner.com [128.121.231.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5FC37B406 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iiut@ic24.net) Received: from www.dddggg.com ([208.131.80.180]) by visionplanner.com (8.11.2) id f6IK9vQ56701 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: iiut@ic24.net Subject: our computers are the cheapest Message-Id: <80xjdu.2iqm4pgiv72n5qf43r@www.dddggg.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:53:00 +0000 To: doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Branded PENTIUM Computer systems WITH Internet , only £195. Call with your fax number and we`ll gladly fax you details....0207 644 3404 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 4:19:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B068537B408 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:19:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA413E31; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:19:26 -0700 (PDT) To: dan@langille.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newsyslog and $MLD0 In-Reply-To: <200107171348.f6HDmM477821@lists.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on "Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:48:20 -0400" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:19:26 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010719111926.5AA413E31@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Dan Langille" writes: > I propose we modify the man page to be a bit more helpful. What about > adding this? > > $M1D0 rotate at the first day of every month at midnight (note that > midnight is at the start of the day) > > Suggestions for a better neon sign are welcome. I just applied a delta that changes the lines in question to: $M1D0 rotate at the first day of every month at midnight (i.e., the start of the day) Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 4:34:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142F137B407; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6JBQdR90304; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107191126.f6JBQdR90304@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jmallett@xMach.org, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/29002: strcpy manpage incorrectly states both strcpy and strncpy put in \0 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: strcpy manpage incorrectly states both strcpy and strncpy put in \0 State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Thu Jul 19 04:26:24 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Applied with minor fixes, thanks! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Jul 19 04:26:24 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My MFC reminder. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=29002 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 4:48: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AF237B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010719114801.HNUV15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:48:01 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6JBgNf79774; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:42:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:42:22 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Chern Lee Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unix Plural Message-ID: <20010719134222.A79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010717 04:00], Chern Lee (chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com) wrote: >I've seen Unixes at least one other place in the Handbook. Common English >sense has me saying "Unices" (ie: Indices, and the like). A lot of books and texts I have read always used Unices. Unixes is something of the last years. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Someone help me, I think I've lost control... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 4:48:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CE337B40E; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010719114805.HNVD15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:48:05 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6JBm0g79823; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:48:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:47:59 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010717 04:30], Murray Stokely (murray@FreeBSD.org) wrote: >I would also like to move "Chapter 13. The X Window System" from "Part >II System Administration" to the end of "Part I Getting Started". > >I think that making a user read 13 chapters before learning how to >start KDE is going to scare people off. Depends on what you are aiming for. I continue to hear people say that FreeBSD is meant [and always has been aimed at] the server market. Which in my eyes would not qualify moving X11 to Chapter I a valid option. If you aim at the average Joe Schmoe home user, it might make sense, although care should be taken to avoid delving into one particular window environment too much. At least in my humble opinion. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ The better part of valour is discretion... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 4:57:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A4737B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57053E36; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:57:49 -0700 (PDT) To: Alex Kapranoff Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28916: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must In-Reply-To: <200107160600.f6G607o19744@freefall.freebsd.org>; from kapr@acm.org on "Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:00:07 -0700 (PDT)" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:57:49 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010719115749.E57053E36@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alex Kapranoff writes: > And why do you say that sharballs are less convenient to work with? > Seems that it's true only if the diff is readable. Well, for one it *would* be readable, at least for the Makefile. Two, it'd be nice to know that you wouldn't be overwriting other people's changes (e.g., chern made a spelling fix, and if I just unshar'd your files it'd be overwritten). And three, with a diff I can save the e-mail to a file then pass it through patch; I can't just pass a shar archive through sh because of the cruft above the archive (okay, okay, I'm lazy :-) ). > --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/article.sgml Wed Jun13 18:16:55 2001 > +++ article.html Mon Jul 16 08:22:26 2001 I've applied this. Now that that's done, could you send me a diff that converts this mess to DocBook? Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 5: 3:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9EE37B40D for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A2D3E36; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:03:04 -0700 (PDT) To: Vladimir Tchoukharev Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28425: Typo in handbook 13.5.1.4 In-Reply-To: <200107151640.f6FGe4Z89823@freefall.freebsd.org>; from chu@mail.ru on "Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:40:04 -0700 (PDT)" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:03:04 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010719120304.22A2D3E36@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Applied, thanks! Vladimir Tchoukharev writes: > The following reply was made to PR docs/28425; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Vladimir Tchoukharev > To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > Cc: > Subject: Re: docs/28425: Typo in handbook 13.5.1.4 > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:33:32 +0300 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------98249CFF9AF0E64BA1834FF4 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I have just noticed, that only one of two '=' signs > was removed by the fix. So it's still wrong. > > A patch is attached (directory > /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/l10n). > > Best regards, > V. Tchoukharev > --------------98249CFF9AF0E64BA1834FF4 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; > name="patch" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="patch" > > --- chapter.sgml.orig Sun Jul 15 13:03:24 2001 > +++ chapter.sgml Sun Jul 15 19:11:49 2001 > @@ -784,7 +784,7 @@ > The following example &man.fstab.5; entry enables support > for Russian filenames in mounted MS-DOS filesystems: > > - /dev/ad0s2 /dos/c msdos rw,-Wkoi2dos,-L=ru_RU.K > OI8-R 0 0 > + /dev/ad0s2 /dos/c msdos rw,-Wkoi2dos,-Lru_RU.KO > I8-R 0 0 > > See &man.mount.msdos.8; for a detailed description of the > and options. > > --------------98249CFF9AF0E64BA1834FF4-- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 5: 7:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta04-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400EB37B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta04-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010719120749.KFCC7440.amsmta04-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:07:49 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6JC7RZ79986; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:07:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:07:27 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Eric De Mund Cc: Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX vs Unix Message-ID: <20010719140727.C79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <15187.46041.478486.392939@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15187.46041.478486.392939@idiom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010717 06:00], Eric De Mund (ead@ixian.com) wrote: >Who do Wind River's attorneys say own the trademarks `UNIX' and `Unix'? I don't care what their lawyers would say. Novell gave it to the Open Group years ago. And the OpenGroup only has UNIX trademarked. [Source: http://www.opengroup.org/legal.htm] -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Sorrow paid for valour is too much to recall... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 5:21: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta01-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A18037B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:21:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta01-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010719122027.WJSG6485.amsmta01-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:20:27 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6JCGLc80114; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:16:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:16:21 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: teo@kytex.bg Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New www server in Bulgaria Message-ID: <20010719141621.D79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <01070218200100.04329@kserver.kytex.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01070218200100.04329@kserver.kytex.bg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010702 17:30], Teodor Danailov (teodor@telecoms.bg) wrote: >Can I register mirror site for Bulgaria FreeBSD.kytex.bg web site on original >www.freebsd.org web pages? Has this been taken care of? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Gravitation can not be held responsible for people falling in love... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 5:30:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2488737B406 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6JCU1n00941; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107191230.f6JCU1n00941@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/28994: New article for docproj "Checkpoint VPN-1/Firewall-1 and FreeBSD IPSEC" Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28994; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: jono@networkcommand.com Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28994: New article for docproj "Checkpoint VPN-1/Firewall-1 and FreeBSD IPSEC" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:28:32 -0700 jono@networkcommand.com writes: Some very minor style/convention nits: > $Header$ This should be "$FreeBSD$". >
> > Integration of Checkpoint VPN-1/Firewall-1 and FreeBSD IPSEC Notice how you capitalized "IPSEC" here. > $Date$ This should also be "$FreeBSD$"; it may be a bit too much, but $Date$ wouldn't get expanded. > > External Interface External Interface > 208.229.100.6 216.218.197.2 > | | > +--> Firewall-1 <--> Internet <--> FreeBSD GW <--+ > | | > FW-1 Protected Nets Internal Nets > 199.208.192.0/24 192.168.10.0/24 > Things inside should cuddle up to the tags. Thus, the above should be written like this: External Interface External Interface 208.229.100.6 216.218.197.2 | | +--> Firewall-1 <--> Internet <--> FreeBSD GW <--+ | | FW-1 Protected Nets Internal Nets 199.208.192.0/24 192.168.10.0/24 There are some more violations of this below; I won't point them out explicitly, but you should fix them. > The FreeBSD GW serves as a firewall and NAT device for > "internal nets." How about: internal networks > > The FreeBSD kernel must be compiled to support IPSec. Remember how you capitalized "IPSEC" above? It'd be nice if they were the same. Personally I'd make them all "IPsec", but it's up to you. There are some other instances of this that should be fixed as well. > Also, racoon must be installed to support key exchange. "racoon" or "&man.racoon.1;", please (pick one). > 208.229.100.6 rUac0wtoo? > > > Extraneous whitespace. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > FreeBSD GW | FW-1 Protected Net | VPN services | Encrypt | Long > FW-1 Protected Net| FreeBSD GW | | | > > > "VPN services" are any services (i.e. telnet, ssh, ntp, etc.) VPN services.... Also, since you're referring to the protocols TELNET, SSH, NTP, etc. and not the commands, you should capitalize them. And if you were referring to protocols, you would mark them up inside . > At this point, the VPN policy on FreeBSD GW must be defined. The > /usr/sbin/setkey tool performs this function. "&man.setkey.1;", please. > Ensure that /usr/local/etc/racoon/psk.txt > contains the shared secret configured in the "Firewall-1 Network Object Firewall-1 Network Object Configuration > Configuration" section of this document and has mode 600 permissions. "600", please. > This command attempts to connect to the ssh port on 199.208.192.66, > a machine in the Firewall-1 protected network. The -s switch indicates "", please. > the source interface of the outbound connection. This is particularly important > when running NAT and IPFW on FreeBSD GW. Using -s and specifying an > explicit source address prevents NAT from mangling the packet prior to > tunneling. > > A successful racoon key exchange will output the following to racoon.log: Lines should be <= 80 characters in width (note that this does *not* apply to text inside or ). Overall, this is a *very* good article! I think it would be one of the most well-written ones in our tree. I'll gladly add it once you fix the above nits. Thanks, and nice work! Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 6:15:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA03637B406 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@shaft.techsupport.co.uk) Received: from rasputin by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15NDgW-00061s-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:17:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:17:44 +0100 From: Rasputin To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: bugs in man.cgi? Message-ID: <20010719141743.B23147@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> Reply-To: Rasputin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry if this is the wrong list, if so, mail be back with a pointer ot the right one. Looks like we have a bug in man.cgi (on www.freebsd.org, probably the mirrors too but I don't use them.) See http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=intro&apropos=0&sektion= 9& manpath=FreeBSD+4.3-RELEASE&format=html (sorry for the wrap) I'm talking about "PROTOTYPES ANSI-C AND ALL THAT" in particular, which pastes in here fine, but looks awful in a browser. Is this cgi script any where in /usr/src by default, or do I need to get an extra collection (apart from cvs-all and ports-all?) I'm happy to try fixing it, just can't find the source :) I'm also starting to write a tool (probably libwww perl-based) to extend the PR web interface, [the one at http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi is pretty basic] so if there *is* a cvs collection related to web scripts, that'd be a good place to start. Cheers (oh, and please cc me in; I'm not on the list yet.) -- Fine's Corollary: Functionality breeds Contempt. Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 7:57:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719FE37B403 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177563E2F for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Markup for ports Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:57:28 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010719145728.177563E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Right now, when a port is mentioned in a document, the markup varies between and . I think both are unsatisfactory; ideally, the tag would make it clear that what's being marked up is a port, and would make a hyperlink (in case of HTML output) to the port's description. I propose to introduce a new tag to do this. Attached below is a patch which implements it. Here's how it would be used: Other interfaces, like databases/tkgnats, should also work nicely. Comments? Suggestions? Thanks. Index: freebsd.dsl =================================================================== RCS file: /stl/src/FreeBSD/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.37 diff -u -r1.37 freebsd.dsl --- freebsd.dsl 2001/07/17 02:22:29 1.37 +++ freebsd.dsl 2001/07/19 14:55:41 @@ -132,6 +132,13 @@ (if %refentry-xref-italic% ($italic-seq$) ($charseq$))))) + + (element port + (let* ((urlurl "http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/url.cgi") + (href (string-append urlurl "?ports/" + (data (current-node))))) + (create-link (list (list "HREF" href)) + ($mono-seq$)))) ]]> Index: freebsd41.dtd =================================================================== RCS file: /stl/src/FreeBSD/doc/share/sgml/freebsd41.dtd,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 freebsd41.dtd --- freebsd41.dtd 2001/05/22 03:32:17 1.2 +++ freebsd41.dtd 2001/07/19 14:55:41 @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@ - + @@ -113,6 +113,11 @@ + + + To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 8:40:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cobweb.example.org (ams-clip-nat-ext1.cisco.com [64.103.37.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F30BF37B405 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter@tin.it) Received: (qmail 2252 invoked by uid 1000); 19 Jul 2001 15:41:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:41:51 +0200 From: Marco Molteni To: doc@FreeBSD.org, webmaster@freebsd.org Subject: the handbook index on www.freensd.org is missing some chapters Message-ID: <20010719174150.A2243@cobweb.example.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Please keep me in the CC list] Hi, I already sent you an email regarding this topic a few months ago, but I had no reply. The handbook index at [url1] is missing some entries, for example it is missing chapter 23, kernel debugging. Same problem for [url2]. If you go to http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html and do a search of the web pages for "kerneland debugging", you get a list of urls, among them http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x19733.html if you follow it, and then follow twice the "up" link, you will get [url3], which has all the chapters that make the section, including chapter 23, kernel debugging. cheers Marco ---------------- url1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html url2: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/p16915.html IV. Advanced topics Table of Contents 20 The Cutting Edge 21 Contributing to FreeBSD 22 Linux Binary Compatibility url3: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/p16646.html IV. Advanced topics Table of Contents 20 The Cutting Edge 21 Contributing to FreeBSD 22 Source Tree Guidelines and Policies 23 Kernel Debugging 24 Linux Binary Compatibility To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 9:36:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web12301.mail.yahoo.com (web12301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92EF537B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:35:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atlemsp@yahoo.com.br) Message-ID: <20010719163420.87927.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.168.96.135] by web12301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:34:20 ART Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:34:20 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Alexasndre=20Zarich?= To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-2028372026-995560460=:87129" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0-2028372026-995560460=:87129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Gentlemen, I am interested in translating the whole Handbook for Portuguese (Brazil), helping and facilitating, to diffuse FreeBSD, because I consider this is one of the best operating systems found for the platform PC, however, in case there is this interest would be very thankful of being rewarded in a symbolic way with some certification species on FreeBSD, because that documentation type is of a lot of value here in Brazil. And without speaking of the work fact now with Internet, that favors to the fact of me to supply the whole documentation of FreeBSD in appropriate format for exhibition in the net (html). I send the page index.html as demonstration I thank in advance, Alexandre Zarich. _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! GeoCities Tenha seu lugar na Web. Construa hoje mesmo sua home page no Yahoo! GeoCities. É fácil e grátis! http://br.geocities.yahoo.com/ --0-2028372026-995560460=:87129 Content-Type: text/html; name="index.html" Content-Description: index.html Content-Disposition: inline; filename="index.html" FreeBSD Handbook

FreeBSD Handbook

The FreeBSD Documentation Project

Welcome to FreeBSD! This handbook covers the installation and day to day use of FreeBSD Release 4.3. This manual is a work in progress and is the work of many individuals. Many sections do not yet exist and some of those that do exist need to be updated. If you are interested in helping with this project, send email to the FreeBSD documentation project mailing list . The latest version of this document is always available from the FreeBSD World Wide Web server. It may also be downloaded in a variety of formats and compression options from the FreeBSD FTP server or one of the numerous mirror sites. If you would prefer to have a hard copy of the handbook, you can purchase one at the FreeBSD Mall. You may also want to Search the Handbook.


Table of Contents
I. Getting Started
1 Introduction
1.1 Synopsis
1.2 Welcome to FreeBSD!
1.3 About the FreeBSD Project
2 Installing FreeBSD
2.1 Synopsis
2.2 Installation Guide
2.3 Supported Hardware
2.4 Troubleshooting
2.5 Advanced Installation Guide
3 Unix Basics
3.1 Synopsis
3.2 Permissions
3.3 Directory Structures
3.4 Shells
3.5 Text Editors
3.6 For More Information...
4 Installing Applications: Packages and Ports
4.1 Synopsis
4.2 Finding your application
4.3 Using the Packages System
4.4 Using the Ports Collection
4.5 Troubleshooting
4.6 Advanced Topics
II. System Administration
5 Configuration and Tuning
5.1 Synopsis
5.2 Initial Configuration
5.3 Core Configuration
5.4 Application Configuration
5.5 Starting Services
5.6 Virtual Hosts
5.7 Configuration Files
5.8 Tuning with sysctl
5.9 Tuning disks
5.10 Tuning kernel limits
6 The FreeBSD Booting Process
6.1 Synopsis
6.2 The Boot Blocks: Bootstrap Stages 1 and 2
6.3 Loader: Bootstrap Stage Three
6.4 Kernel Interaction During Boot
6.5 Init: Process Control Initialization
6.6 Shutdown Sequence
7 Users and Basic Account Management
7.1 Synopsis
7.2 The Superuser Account
7.3 System Accounts
7.4 User Accounts
7.5 Modifying Accounts
7.6 Limiting Users
7.7 Personalizing Users
7.8 Groups
8 Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel
8.1 Synopsis
8.2 Why Build a Custom Kernel?
8.3 Building and Installing a Custom Kernel
8.4 The Configuration File
8.5 Making Device Nodes
8.6 If Something Goes Wrong
9 Security
9.1 Synopsis
9.2 Introduction
9.3 Securing FreeBSD
9.4 DES, MD5, and Crypt
9.5 S/Key
9.6 Kerberos
9.7 Firewalls
9.8 OpenSSL
9.9 IPsec
9.10 OpenSSH
10 Printing
10.1 Synopsis
10.2 Introduction
10.3 Basic Setup
10.4 Advanced Printer Setup
10.5 Using Printers
10.6 Alternatives to the Standard Spooler
10.7 Troubleshooting
11 Disks
11.1 Synopsis
11.2 BIOS Drive Numbering
11.3 Disk Naming
11.4 Mounting and Unmounting Filesystems
11.5 Adding Disks
11.6 Virtual Disks: Network, Memory, and File-Based Filesystems
11.7 Disk Quotas
11.8 Creating CDs
12 Backups
12.1 Synopsis
12.2 Tape Media
12.3 Backup Programs
12.4 What about Backups to Floppies?
13 The X Window System
13.1 Synopsis
13.2 Overview
13.3 Installing XFree86
13.4 XFree86 4.X Configuration
13.5 Using Fonts in XFree86
13.6 The X Display Manager
13.7 Desktop Environments
14 Localization - I18N/L10N Usage and Setup
14.1 Synopsis
14.2 The Basics
14.3 Using Localization
14.4 Advanced Topics
14.5 Localizing FreeBSD to Specific Languages
15 Sound
15.1 Synopsis
15.2 Locating the Correct Device
15.3 Recompiling the Kernel
15.4 Creating and Testing the Device Nodes
15.5 Common Problems
III. Network Communications
16 Serial Communications
16.1 Synopsis
16.2 Serial Basics
16.3 Terminals
16.4 Dial-in Service
16.5 Dial-out Service
16.6 Setting Up the Serial Console
17 PPP and SLIP
17.1 Synopsis
17.2 Using User PPP
17.3 Using Kernel PPP
17.4 Using PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE)
17.5 Using SLIP
18 Advanced Networking
18.1 Synopsis
18.2 Gateways and Routes
18.3 Bridging
18.4 NFS
18.5 Diskless Operation
18.6 ISDN
18.7 NIS/YP
18.8 DHCP
18.9 DNS
18.10 Network Address Translation daemon (natd)
19 Electronic Mail
19.1 Synopsis
19.2 Using Electronic Mail
19.3 Troubleshooting
19.4 Advanced Topics
IV. Advanced topics
20 The Cutting Edge
20.1 Synopsis
20.2 FreeBSD-CURRENT vs. FreeBSD-STABLE
20.3 Synchronizing Your Source
20.4 Using make world
21 Contributing to FreeBSD
21.1 What is Needed
21.2 How to Contribute
21.3 Donors Gallery
21.4 Core Team Alumni
21.5 Development Team Alumni
21.6 Derived Software Contributors
21.7 Additional FreeBSD Contributors
21.8 386BSD Patch Kit Patch Contributors
22 Source Tree Guidelines and Policies
22.1 MAINTAINER on Makefiles
22.2 Contributed Software
22.3 Encumbered Files
22.4 Shared Libraries
23 Kernel Debugging
23.1 Debugging a Kernel Crash Dump with gdb
23.2 Debugging a Crash Dump with DDD
23.3 Post-Mortem Analysis of a Dump
23.4 On-Line Kernel Debugging Using DDB
23.5 On-Line Kernel Debugging Using Remote GDB
23.6 Debugging Loadable Modules Using GDB
23.7 Debugging a Console Driver
24 Linux Binary Compatibility
24.1 Synopsis
24.2 Installation
24.3 Installing Mathematica
24.4 Installing Oracle
24.5 Installing SAP R/3 (4.6B - IDES)
24.6 Advanced Topics
V. Appendices
A. Obtaining FreeBSD
A.1 CDROM Publishers
A.2 DVD Publishers
A.3 FTP Sites
A.4 Anonymous CVS
A.5 Using CTM
A.6 Using CVSup
A.7 AFS Sites
B. Bibliography
B.1 Books & Magazines Specific to FreeBSD
B.2 Users' Guides
B.3 Administrators' Guides
B.4 Programmers' Guides
B.5 Operating System Internals
B.6 Security Reference
B.7 Hardware Reference
B.8 UNIX History
B.9 Magazines and Journals
C. Resources on the Internet
C.1 Mailing Lists
C.2 Usenet Newsgroups
C.3 World Wide Web Servers
C.4 Email Addresses
C.5 Shell Accounts
D. FreeBSD Project Staff
D.1 The FreeBSD Core Team
D.2 The FreeBSD Developers
D.3 The FreeBSD Documentation Project
D.4 Who is Responsible for What
E. PGP Keys
E.1 Officers
E.2 Core Team Members
E.3 Developers
List of Tables
11-1. Physical Disk Naming Conventions

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+ + + + + I get messages like "limit 100 reached on entry 2800" + and after that I never see more denies in my logs. Is my + firewall still working? + + + + This merely means that the maximum logging count for the + rule has been reached. The rule itself is still working, + but it will no longer log until such time as you reset the + logging counters. This can be done by simply prefixing the + ipfw command with the "resetlog" option. + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 12: 9:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC6737B406 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6JJ9PQ32604; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:09:25 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Dima Dorfman Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Markup for ports Message-ID: <20010719120925.G27537@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010719145728.177563E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010719145728.177563E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 07:57:28AM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I support this in general, but more thought needs to be placed on how this will look without the benefit of a hyperlink. Another example of dependence on hyperlinks is the use of being printed out as file:/// in the printed version of the Handbook which doesn't look very good. It seems that many sentences are constructed in the handbook such that they depend on the hyperlink for proper context. I don't want anything to encourage that practice. "Other interfaces, like databases/tkgnats should also work nicely." This is pretty informal. Will the markup given to your new tag be sufficient to clue in new users that we are talking about a FreeBSD port? Or is more verbiage necessary, such as : "Other interfaces, like the port databases/tkgnats should also work nicely." I'm not quite sure, I just don't like the over dependence on hyperlinks that is infecting the Handbook. ;) - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 12:16:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA8737B401; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:16:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6JJGWp32925; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:16:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:16:32 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Marco Molteni Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, webmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the handbook index on www.freensd.org is missing some chapters Message-ID: <20010719121632.I27537@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010719174150.A2243@cobweb.example.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010719174150.A2243@cobweb.example.org>; from molter@tin.it on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:41:51PM +0200 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The chapters in question are moving from the Handbook to the Developer's Handbook. I removed the references to those chapters from the Handbook and asked for a "repository-copy" several days ago but this still hasn't happened. In any case, the top level table of contents is valid. There appears to be a small problem with the automatic web updates in that the old content is not removed first (with, 'make clean') before the new content is copied over. So you've bookmarked an old page that still works, while everything else has been updated to no longer reference that page. I hope that someone from the web team will correct this so that updates happen properly. I've pestered cvs@FreeBSD.org again and I'm sincerely sorry that something I thought would be so easy has caused so much confusion. - Murray On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 05:41:51PM +0200, Marco Molteni wrote: > [Please keep me in the CC list] > > Hi, > > I already sent you an email regarding this topic a few months ago, but > I had no reply. > > The handbook index at [url1] is missing some entries, for example it > is missing chapter 23, kernel debugging. > > Same problem for [url2]. > > If you go to http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html and do a search > of the web pages for "kerneland debugging", you get a list of urls, > among them > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x19733.html > > if you follow it, and then follow twice the "up" link, you will get > [url3], which has all the chapters that make the section, including > chapter 23, kernel debugging. > > cheers > Marco > > ---------------- > url1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html > > url2: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/p16915.html > > IV. Advanced topics > > Table of Contents > 20 The Cutting Edge > 21 Contributing to FreeBSD > 22 Linux Binary Compatibility > > url3: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/p16646.html > > IV. Advanced topics > > Table of Contents > 20 The Cutting Edge > 21 Contributing to FreeBSD > 22 Source Tree Guidelines and Policies > 23 Kernel Debugging > 24 Linux Binary Compatibility > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 12:41:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D7537B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:41:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: from strontium.shef.vinosystems.com ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15NJgG-0007MQ-00; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:41:52 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.shef.vinosystems.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6JJfpZ76485; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:41:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: strontium.shef.vinosystems.com: ben set sender to ben@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:41:51 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Rasputin Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bugs in man.cgi? Message-ID: <20010719204151.G33229@strontium.shef.vinosystems.com> References: <20010719141743.B23147@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3XA6nns4nE4KvaS/" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010719141743.B23147@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> X-PGP-Key: http://www.smithurst.org/ben/pgp-key.txt Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --3XA6nns4nE4KvaS/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rasputin wrote: > Is this cgi script any where in /usr/src by default, or do > I need to get an extra collection > (apart from cvs-all and ports-all?) You need the 'www' collection. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD: The Power To Serve http://www.FreeBSD.org/ --3XA6nns4nE4KvaS/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Vzf+bPzJ+yzvRCwRAus4AJ9KA7eem4qm5g9elkm6qKI+BRZ7JwCfSFcL qSaPWeWLG85BG5eLWhLcjU0= =pVLe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3XA6nns4nE4KvaS/-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 12:45:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A293B37B41B; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:45:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: from strontium.shef.vinosystems.com ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15NJjK-0009VH-00; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:45:02 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.shef.vinosystems.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6JJj2t82357; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:45:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: strontium.shef.vinosystems.com: ben set sender to ben@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:45:02 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Rasputin Cc: doc@freebsd.org, wosch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bugs in man.cgi? Message-ID: <20010719204502.H33229@strontium.shef.vinosystems.com> References: <20010719141743.B23147@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6v9BRtpmy+umdQlo" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010719141743.B23147@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> X-PGP-Key: http://www.smithurst.org/ben/pgp-key.txt Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --6v9BRtpmy+umdQlo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rasputin wrote: > Is this cgi script any where in /usr/src by default, or do > I need to get an extra collection > (apart from cvs-all and ports-all?) >=20 > I'm happy to try fixing it, just can't find the source :) wait, actually it looks like the source for man.cgi isn't in the repository. :-( I'm not sure why. The man.cgi in the repository just says this though: #!/usr/bin/perl -T # Copyright (c) Wolfram Schneider, Berlin. Sep 1997. # # FreeBSD man script # # $FreeBSD: www/en/cgi/man.cgi,v 1.4 2000/01/05 15:47:44 phantom Exp $ require '/usr/local/www/bsddoc/bin/man.cgi'; Not sure why the whole script can't go in CVS, perhaps someone can enlighten me? Or maybe it is somewhere and I just can't see it... cheers, -ben --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD: The Power To Serve http://www.FreeBSD.org/ --6v9BRtpmy+umdQlo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Vzi9bPzJ+yzvRCwRAifEAKCI3ukii/lMB9TL9pl/sWGWNXMxJQCdG3FT kNuVbK9I9chQCy8W5WHp7Pc= =8az1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6v9BRtpmy+umdQlo-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 16:21: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD85737B403; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6JNGTe72924; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:16:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:16:29 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010720001629.A72421@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J/dobhs11T7y2rNN" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 06:58:34PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 06:58:34PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > I would like to move "Chapter 6. The FreeBSD Booting Process" out of > "Part II System Administration" and into "Part IV Advanced Topics". Having just re-read that chapter, I'm left wondering whether, perhaps, it would be better as a section in the "Installing FreeBSD" chapter, or as part of whatever replaces it. > I would also like to move "Chapter 13. The X Window System" from "Part > II System Administration" to the end of "Part I Getting Started". >=20 > I think that making a user read 13 chapters before learning how to > start KDE is going to scare people off. >=20 > Objections? Better ideas? Makes sense to me. In the process I'd gut much of the copy in the first few sections of this chapter that covers the same ground as the XFree86 documentation. Installation should be covered by=20 XFree86 is available as a port and as a package, making it easy to=20 install. You can also download the binaries directly from the XFree86= =20 organisation and install them by hand, following the instructions provided by the XFree86 group. Your only decision is which version of XFree86 to run. XFree86 3.mumble is the maintenance branch of XFree86 development. It's very stable, and it supports a huge number of graphics cards. However, no new development is happening there. XFree86 4.mumble is a redesign of XFree86. As well as introducing many new features (including much better support for fonts and anti-aliasing), XFree86 4.x supports slightly fewer graphics cards. If your card is supported we recommend you run 4.x. If it is not then run 3.x. The rest of this chapter will explain how to configure XFree86, and suggest various programs for X that you might want to try. and then segue in to 13.5-13.x (possibly reordering them -- IMHO the sequence in the Handbook should be "Install X", "Configure X", "An Introduction to Window Managers, and .xinitrc", "Installing A Desktop=20 Environment", "X and Fonts", "Booting to X" (the XDM section). N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtXak0ACgkQk6gHZCw343URPACePW7u7XeSPikbi1QnaZ/mSEkd onYAoJSEFehgSK5PW0UuGvjJfqIj4/J8 =irXB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 20:12: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8132637B405 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6K3BlC40860 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:11:47 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Handbook print output abnormality Message-ID: <20010719201147.O34971@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is a problem somewhere in the doc toolchain that is introducing a small corruption to our PostScript output. If you have the printed 1st edition, then you can turn to page 50 to view the problem. Otherwise, you can download the PostScript version and turn to (page 49 in my local tree). The problem is with the permissions table on the first page of Chapter 3. The third column of the first row should contain "---". This is what is contained in the SGML source, and in the intermediate book.tex-ps. It appears to me that dvi2ps is removing the second hyphen anytime that it sees two hyphens together. (rows 1, 2, and 5). Does anyone know why this might be the case? - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 20:27:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E59E37B407; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org ([62.31.80.67]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:27:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:27:07 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't really think that FreeBSD should limit itself to considering itself to be a 'Server OS', or why would we bother with any X, sound, etc. support at all! I guess it's hard to know if the majority of new FreeBSD installations are server or desktop based, but I'd think that it's probably desktops in which case they probably want a nice cute GUI as quick as possible! I think it should be early in the handbook, but possibly not the actual installation chapter, as I think that it's better to have a system up and running with all devices detected and sorted before trying to sort X. Otherwise, users may think that their installation is broken just because X won't start. And they don't realise that getting X working is the one of the last steps, not one of the first! Just my thoughts. Andrew. Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > I continue to hear people say that FreeBSD is meant [and always has > been aimed at] the server market. Which in my eyes would not qualify > moving X11 to Chapter I a valid option. > > If you aim at the average Joe Schmoe home user, it might make sense, > although care should be taken to avoid delving into one particular > window environment too much. At least in my humble opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 23: 4:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3446D37B405 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:04:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9673E2F; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:04:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Murray Stokely Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Markup for ports In-Reply-To: <20010719120925.G27537@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray.stokely@windriver.com on "Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:09:25 -0700" Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:04:23 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010720060423.DA9673E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Murray Stokely writes: > I support this in general, but more thought needs to be placed on > how this will look without the benefit of a hyperlink. Another > example of dependence on hyperlinks is the use of being > printed out as file:/// in the printed version of the Handbook which > doesn't look very good. It seems that many sentences are constructed > in the handbook such that they depend on the hyperlink for proper > context. I don't want anything to encourage that practice. > > "Other interfaces, like databases/tkgnats should also work nicely." > > This is pretty informal. Will the markup given to your new > tag be sufficient to clue in new users that we are talking about a > FreeBSD port? Or is more verbiage necessary, such as : > > "Other interfaces, like the port databases/tkgnats should also work > nicely." Okay, but this is up to the author of that sentence. is akin to ; just like the latter can be abused, so can the former. The hyperlink is just an extra bonus; the real point is to have more precise markup. If you think the hyperlink will encourage dependence on it, I'm fine with being another name for . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 23:17:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A31A37B40B; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010720061709.NVFM15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:17:09 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6K6H6H90554; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:17:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:17:06 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Andrew Boothman Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010720 05:51], Andrew Boothman (andrew@cream.org) wrote: >I don't really think that FreeBSD should limit itself to considering >itself to be a 'Server OS', or why would we bother with any X, sound, >etc. support at all! It is just a question I asked other people in the past and the answer was how I had given it in my previous email. And I think focusing makes sense, you cannot be a great desktop OS and a great server OS at the same time. You can go a long way, but it ends somewhere. Just look at how FreeBSD is designed, it is, for a desktop OS, overengineered. For a server OS it was very good and just keeps getting better. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 19 23:51:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A10837B403 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6K6out43519; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:50:56 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Murray Stokely , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Markup for ports Message-ID: <20010719235055.A42999@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010719120925.G27537@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010720060423.DA9673E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010720060423.DA9673E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:04:23PM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:04:23PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Okay, but this is up to the author of that sentence. is akin > to ; just like the latter can be abused, so can the former. > The hyperlink is just an extra bonus; the real point is to have more > precise markup. If you think the hyperlink will encourage dependence > on it, I'm fine with being another name for . I think you should commit it just as you originally described, with hyperlinks. My original message came out sounding more negative than I had intended. My concern about the way that hyperlinks are abused in the Handbook is really a separate issue. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 20 0:44:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A4737B405; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6K7gKT43575; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107200742.f6K7gKT43575@freefall.freebsd.org> To: marcs@draenor.org, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/29086: updates to the freebsd dialup firewall tutorial Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: updates to the freebsd dialup firewall tutorial State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Fri Jul 20 00:42:12 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Applied, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=29086 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 20 1:21:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D0F37B401; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6K7uZB75809; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:56:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:56:35 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Handbook print output abnormality Message-ID: <20010720085635.B72421@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010719201147.O34971@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010719201147.O34971@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:11:47PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:11:47PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > There is a problem somewhere in the doc toolchain that is > introducing a small corruption to our PostScript output. If you have > the printed 1st edition, then you can turn to page 50 to view the > problem. Otherwise, you can download the PostScript version and turn > to (page 49 in my local tree). The problem is with the permissions > table on the first page of Chapter 3. The third column of the first > row should contain "---". This is what is contained in the SGML > source, and in the intermediate book.tex-ps. It appears to me that > dvi2ps is removing the second hyphen anytime that it sees two hyphens > together. (rows 1, 2, and 5). Does anyone know why this might be the > case? TeX see '--' and variants as a ligature for en and em dashes, and replaces it accordingly. The fix is to have Jade turn them in to -\/- in the .tex file. OpenJade in the ports tree doesn't do this, but the one in the OpenJade CVS repository does. Go to http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/openjade/jade/jade/TeXFO= TBuilder.cxx?rev=3D1.18&content-type=3Dtext/vnd.viewcvs-markup and search for "// break ligatures" to see the code. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtX5DIACgkQk6gHZCw343XWfgCfYoR6Jz+kx+xCDrrobKDvANgq RN0AnjZA95YJU8MwwJNsX3jo1XSJf2iL =6+Oc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eAbsdosE1cNLO4uF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 20 2: 2:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9208337B401; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@shaft.techsupport.co.uk) Received: from rasputin by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15NWDa-0006WX-00; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:05:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:05:06 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Ben Smithurst Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bugs in man.cgi? Message-ID: <20010720100506.B25048@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <20010719141743.B23147@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> <20010719204502.H33229@strontium.shef.vinosystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010719204502.H33229@strontium.shef.vinosystems.com>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:45:02PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Ben Smithurst [010719 20:56]: > Rasputin wrote: > > > Is this cgi script any where in /usr/src by default, or do > > I need to get an extra collection > > (apart from cvs-all and ports-all?) > > > > I'm happy to try fixing it, just can't find the source :) > > wait, actually it looks like the source for man.cgi isn't in the repository. > :-( I'm not sure why. The man.cgi in the repository just says this though: > > #!/usr/bin/perl -T > # Copyright (c) Wolfram Schneider, Berlin. Sep 1997. > # > # FreeBSD man script > # > # $FreeBSD: www/en/cgi/man.cgi,v 1.4 2000/01/05 15:47:44 phantom Exp $ > > require '/usr/local/www/bsddoc/bin/man.cgi'; > > > Not sure why the whole script can't go in CVS, perhaps someone can > enlighten me? Or maybe it is somewhere and I just can't see it... Maybe a security thing? Well, if its publically available, please let me know. If not, can someone look into the way it renders man headers please? Anyway, thanks a lot. -- "unsupported alpha source blend function Glide sucks Glide sucks Glide sucks" -- /usr/X11R6/lib/libglide3.so Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 20 4:50: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B400E37B406 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6KBo1c88453; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107201150.f6KBo1c88453@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: jkoshy@freebsd.org (Joseph Koshy) Subject: Re: docs/28699: strptime(3) %d format specifier not completely documented Reply-To: jkoshy@freebsd.org (Joseph Koshy) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28699; it has been noted by GNATS. From: jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG (Joseph Koshy) To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/28699: strptime(3) %d format specifier not completely documented Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:41:34 -0700 (PDT) I'm not sure that this isn't a bug. `strftime(3)' states that '%d' generates 2 digits numbers in the range 01--31. Coming to `strptime(3)', looking at file "src/lib/libc/stdtime/strptime.c": ... case 'd': case 'e': /* * The %e specifier is explicitly documented as not * being zero-padded but there is no harm in allowing * such padding. * * XXX The %e specifier may gobble one too many * digits if used incorrectly. */ if (!isdigit((unsigned char)*buf)) return 0; ... We see that '%d' will accept a single digit date ONLY if a preceding format specifier had gobbled up whitespace before it. A format specification with a leading '%d' will fail to recognize a single digit date. We probably need to check that the input to %d is exactly 2 digits long. Regards, Koshy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 20 7:19: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41EA37B403 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sra@post5.tele.dk) Received: from workstation ([62.243.240.143]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with SMTP id <20010720141856.XOUO24149.fepE.post.tele.dk@workstation> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:18:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c11172$81b744a0$0701a8c0@workgroup> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Andreasen?= To: Subject: FreeBSD question Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:20:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I can't find any info on how to remove some of the programs included in the FreeBSD installation process! I'm a BSD newbie! and need to remove 'BIND / named', because I am going to install the newest version directly from source code. I can't use the ports system, because I need to configure it with LDAP support... PLEASE help me! and include it in the documentation so it may help others. I love FreeBSD --- Nemezis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 20 7:25:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62CF37B406; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA64014; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:25:07 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f6KEObq09173; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:24:37 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:24:37 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Andrew Boothman , Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:17:06AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:17:06AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >I don't really think that FreeBSD should limit itself to considering > >itself to be a 'Server OS', or why would we bother with any X, sound, > >etc. support at all! > > It is just a question I asked other people in the past and the answer > was how I had given it in my previous email. > > And I think focusing makes sense, you cannot be a great desktop OS and a > great server OS at the same time. You can go a long way, but it ends > somewhere. > > Just look at how FreeBSD is designed, it is, for a desktop OS, > overengineered. For a server OS it was very good and just keeps getting > better. ;-( Do you propose me to 'rm -rf /' all our FreeBSD desktops here and replace it with Linux because FreeBSD was not designed to serve us as it did for last few years ? I'm always using FreeBSD as server platform, but nothing stops me from using it as desktops also. Maybe some time in future FreeBSD will have new make knob to build "not overengeneered" version of "world", i.e. (make DESKTOP_ONLY=YES world :-), but now I don't see a reason to stop people who attempts to make FreeBSD (code or documentation) better for end users (not experienced admins only). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 20 8: 5:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098C437B401; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from intruder.bmah.org ([24.176.204.87]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010720150554.PETY5252.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@intruder.bmah.org>; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:05:54 -0700 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6KF5XV08052; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200107201505.f6KF5XV08052@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook print output abnormality In-Reply-To: <20010719201147.O34971@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010719201147.O34971@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Comments: In-reply-to Murray Stokely message dated "Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:11:47 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1959145531P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:05:33 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1959145531P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Murray Stokely wrote: > It appears to me that > dvi2ps is removing the second hyphen anytime that it sees two hyphens > together. (rows 1, 2, and 5). Does anyone know why this might be the > case? Hi Murray-- I remember reading about this in the FDP Primer when I started learning about the FDP. .....where is this thing.....OK, see the "SGML Primer" chapter, the section on "Comments". There's an admonition to "Use 2 dashes", which explains that something is turning two consecutive hyphens into an em-dash. I wonder if there's some stylesheet parameter that can turn this behavior off? 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Yanco (281)292-9810 Office (281)292-9331 Fax E-mail: info@wpi2001.com Web Site: http://wpi2001.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 20 23:50:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rbn-gw.bgtu.debryansk.ru (rbn-gw.bgtu.debryansk.ru [62.76.89.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A236E37B405; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kapr@acm.org) Received: from server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (root@bitmcnit.bryansk.su [192.168.121.2]) by rbn-gw.bgtu.debryansk.ru (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6L6kZ128159; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:46:35 +0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id KAA14923; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:39:28 +0400 Received: (from alex@localhost) by kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6L6gYt00569; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:42:34 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from kapr@acm.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su: alex set sender to kapr@acm.org using -f Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:42:33 +0400 From: Alex Kapranoff To: Dima Dorfman Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/28916: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must Message-ID: <20010721104232.B370@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010719115749.E57053E36@bazooka.unixfreak.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Organization: Inner Mongolia Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Dima Dorfman [July 19 2001, 15:57]: > Alex Kapranoff writes: > > And why do you say that sharballs are less convenient to work with? > > Seems that it's true only if the diff is readable. > > Well, for one it *would* be readable, at least for the Makefile. Two, Okay, now try to read the diff below. ;) > it'd be nice to know that you wouldn't be overwriting other people's > changes (e.g., chern made a spelling fix, and if I just unshar'd your > files it'd be overwritten). And three, with a diff I can save the > e-mail to a file then pass it through patch; I can't just pass a shar > archive through sh because of the cruft above the archive (okay, okay, > I'm lazy :-) ). Points taken. > > --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/article.sgml Wed Jun13 18:16:55 2001 > > +++ article.html Mon Jul 16 08:22:26 2001 > > I've applied this. Now that that's done, could you send me a diff > that converts this mess to DocBook? Thanks! Sorry for confusion. With this patch applied the PR could be closed. This is all obtained from FreeBSD Russian Documentation Project. diff -u /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/Makefile ./Makefile --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/Makefile Mon Jun 26 13:10:24 2000 +++ ./Makefile Thu Jul 12 18:55:10 2001 @@ -2,8 +2,6 @@ DOC?= article -DOCFORMAT= html - FORMATS?= html INSTALL_COMPRESSED?=gz diff -u /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/article.sgml ./article.sgml --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/article.sgml Fri Jul 20 18:55:28 2001 +++ ./article.sgml Sat Jul 21 10:39:56 2001 @@ -1,92 +1,138 @@ - + + + +%man; +]> + +
+ + Independent Verification of IPSec Functionality in FreeBSD + + + David + Honig + + +
honig@sprynet.com
+
+
+ + 3 May 1999 + + + You installed IPsec and it seems to be working. How do you + know? I describe a method for experimentally verifying that IPsec is + working. + +
+ + + The Problem + + First, let's assume you have + installed IPsec. How do you know + it's working? Sure, your + connection won't work if its misconfigured, and it will work + when you finally get it right. &man.netstat.1; will list it. + But can you independently confirm it? + + + + The Solution + + First, some crypto-relevant info theory: + + + + encrypted data is uniformly distributed, i.e., has maximal + entropy per symbol; + + + + raw, uncompressed data is typically redundant, i.e., has + sub-maximal entropy. + + + + Suppose you could measure the entropy of the data to- and + from- your network interface. Then you could see the difference + between unencrypted data and encrypted data. This would be true + even if some of the data in encrypted mode was + not encrypted---as the outermost IP header must be, if the + packet is to be routable. + + + MUST + + Ueli Maurer's Universal Statistical Test for Random + Bit Generators( + MUST) quickly measures the entropy + of a sample. It uses a compression-like algorithm. The code is given below for a variant + which measures successive (~quarter megabyte) chunks of a + file. + + + + Tcpdump + + We also need a way to capture the raw network data. A + program called &man.tcpdump.1; lets you do this, if you have + enabled the Berkeley Packet Filter + interface in your kernel's config + file. + + The command + + + tcpdump -c 4000 -s 10000 -w dumpfile.bin + + + will capture 4000 raw packets to + dumpfile.bin. Up to 10,000 bytes per + packet will be captured in this example. + + + + The Experiment + + Here's the experiment. + + + + Open a window to an IPsec host and another window to an + insecure host. + + + + Now start capturing + packets. + + + + In the secure window, run the UNIX + command &man.yes.1;, which will stream the y + character. After a while, stop this. Switch to the + insecure window, and repeat. After a while, stop. + + + + Now run MUST on the + captured packets. You should see something like the + following. The important thing to note is that the secure + connection has 93% (6.7) of the expected value (7.18), and + the normal connection has 29% (2.1) of the + expected value. + + +&prompt.user; tcpdump -c 4000 -s 10000 -w ipsecdemo.bin +&prompt.user; uliscan ipsecdemo.bin Uliscan 21 Dec 98 L=8 256 258560 @@ -98,58 +144,75 @@ 6.4100 --------------------------------------------------- 2.1101 ----------------- 2.0838 ----------------- -2.0983 -----------------
- -

Caveat

- -

This experiment shows that IPsec does seem to be distributing the - payload data uniformly, as encryption should. However, the - experiment described here cannotdetect many possible flaws in a - system (none of which do I have any evidence for). These include poor - key generation or exchange, data or keys being visible to others, use of - weak algorithms, kernel subversion, etc. Study the source; know the - code.

- -

IPsec---Definition

- -

Internet Protocol security extensions to IPv4; required for IPv6. A - protocol for negotiating encryption and authentication at the IP - (host-to-host) level. SSL secures only one application socket; SSH - secures only a login; PGP secures only a specified file or - message. IPsec encrypts everything between two hosts.

- -

Installing IPsec

- -

Most of the modern versions of FreeBSD have IPsec support - in their base source. So you'll probably will need to - include IPSEC option in your kernel config - and, after kernel rebuild and reinstall, configure IPsec - connections using setkey command.

- - -

A comprehensive guide on running IPsec on FreeBSD is - provided in FreeBSD - Handbook. - -

usr/src/sys/i386/conf/KERNELNAME

- -

This needs to be present in the kernel config file in order to be able - to capture network data with tcpdump. - Be sure to run config after adding this, and rebuild and - reinstall.

- -
device	bpf
-
- -

Maurer's Universal Statistical Test (for block - size=8 bits)

- -

You can find the same code at - this link.

+2.0983 ----------------- + + + + + + + Caveat + + This experiment shows that IPsec does + seem to be distributing the payload data + uniformly, as encryption should. However, + the experiment described here cannot + detect many possible flaws in a system (none of which do I have + any evidence for). These include poor key generation or + exchange, data or keys being visible to others, use of weak + algorithms, kernel subversion, etc. Study the source; know the + code. + + + + IPsec---Definition + + Internet Protocol security extensions to IPv4; required for + IPv6. A protocol for negotiating encryption and authentication + at the IP (host-to-host) level. SSL secures only one application + socket; SSH secures only a login; + PGP secures only a specified file or + message. IPsec encrypts everything between two hosts. + + + + Installing IPsec + + Most of the modern versions of FreeBSD have IPsec support + in their base source. So you'll probably will need to include + option in your kernel config and, after + kernel rebuild and reinstall, configure IPsec connections using + &man.setkey.8; command. + + A comprehensive guide on running IPsec on FreeBSD is + provided in FreeBSD + Handbook. + + + + usr/src/sys/i386/conf/KERNELNAME + + This needs to be present in the kernel config file in order + to be able to capture network data with &man.tcpdump.1;. Be sure + to run &man.config.8; after adding this, and rebuild and + reinstall. + + +device bpf + + + + + Maurer's Universal Statistical Test (for block size=8 + bits) + + You can find the same code at + this link. -

+/*
   ULISCAN.c   ---blocksize of 8
 
   1 Oct 98
@@ -178,13 +241,13 @@
 */
 
 #define L 8
-#define V (1<
-#include 
+#include <stdio.h>
+#include <math.h>
 
 int main(argc, argv)
 int argc;
@@ -202,7 +265,7 @@
 
   printf("Uliscan 21 Dec 98 \nL=%d %d %d \n", L, V, MAXSAMP);
 
-  if (argc < 2) {
+  if (argc < 2) {
     printf("Usage: Uliscan filename\n");
     exit(-1);
   } else {
@@ -216,11 +279,11 @@
     exit(-1);
   }
 
-  for (i = 0; i < V; i++) {
+  for (i = 0; i < V; i++) {
     table[i] = 0;
   }
 
-  for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) {
+  for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) {
     b = fgetc(fptr);
     table[b] = i;
   }
@@ -236,15 +299,15 @@
     iproduct = 1;
 
     if (run)
-      for (i = Q; run && i < Q + K; i++) {
+      for (i = Q; run && i < Q + K; i++) {
         j = i;
         b = fgetc(fptr);
 
-        if (b < 0)
+        if (b < 0)
           run = 0;
 
         if (run) {
-          if (table[b] > j)
+          if (table[b] > j)
             j += K;
 
           sum += log((double)(j-table[b]));
@@ -259,16 +322,16 @@
     sum = (sum/((double)(i - Q))) /  log(2.0);
     printf("%4.4f ", sum);
 
-    for (i = 0; i < (int)(sum*8.0 + 0.50); i++)
+    for (i = 0; i < (int)(sum*8.0 + 0.50); i++)
       printf("-");
 
     printf("\n");
 
     /* refill initial table */
     if (0) {
-      for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) {
+      for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) {
         b = fgetc(fptr);
-        if (b < 0) {
+        if (b < 0) {
           run = 0;
         } else {
           table[b] = i;
@@ -276,8 +339,7 @@
       }
     }
   }
-}]]>
- - - - +} + +
+ -- Alex Kapranoff, Voice: +7(0832)791845 We've lived 201 days in the brand new millenium... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 20 23:50:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3DC37B403 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6L6o2L10472; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107210650.f6L6o2L10472@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Alex Kapranoff Subject: Re: docs/28916: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must Reply-To: Alex Kapranoff Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28916; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alex Kapranoff To: Dima Dorfman Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/28916: DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec-must Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:42:33 +0400 * Dima Dorfman [July 19 2001, 15:57]: > Alex Kapranoff writes: > > And why do you say that sharballs are less convenient to work with? > > Seems that it's true only if the diff is readable. > > Well, for one it *would* be readable, at least for the Makefile. Two, Okay, now try to read the diff below. ;) > it'd be nice to know that you wouldn't be overwriting other people's > changes (e.g., chern made a spelling fix, and if I just unshar'd your > files it'd be overwritten). And three, with a diff I can save the > e-mail to a file then pass it through patch; I can't just pass a shar > archive through sh because of the cruft above the archive (okay, okay, > I'm lazy :-) ). Points taken. > > --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/article.sgml Wed Jun13 18:16:55 2001 > > +++ article.html Mon Jul 16 08:22:26 2001 > > I've applied this. Now that that's done, could you send me a diff > that converts this mess to DocBook? Thanks! Sorry for confusion. With this patch applied the PR could be closed. This is all obtained from FreeBSD Russian Documentation Project. diff -u /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/Makefile ./Makefile --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/Makefile Mon Jun 26 13:10:24 2000 +++ ./Makefile Thu Jul 12 18:55:10 2001 @@ -2,8 +2,6 @@ DOC?= article -DOCFORMAT= html - FORMATS?= html INSTALL_COMPRESSED?=gz diff -u /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/article.sgml ./article.sgml --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/ipsec-must/article.sgml Fri Jul 20 18:55:28 2001 +++ ./article.sgml Sat Jul 21 10:39:56 2001 @@ -1,92 +1,138 @@ - + + + +%man; +]> + +
+ + Independent Verification of IPSec Functionality in FreeBSD + + + David + Honig + + +
honig@sprynet.com
+
+
+ + 3 May 1999 + + + You installed IPsec and it seems to be working. How do you + know? I describe a method for experimentally verifying that IPsec is + working. + +
+ + + The Problem + + First, let's assume you have + installed IPsec. How do you know + it's working? Sure, your + connection won't work if its misconfigured, and it will work + when you finally get it right. &man.netstat.1; will list it. + But can you independently confirm it? + + + + The Solution + + First, some crypto-relevant info theory: + + + + encrypted data is uniformly distributed, i.e., has maximal + entropy per symbol; + + + + raw, uncompressed data is typically redundant, i.e., has + sub-maximal entropy. + + + + Suppose you could measure the entropy of the data to- and + from- your network interface. Then you could see the difference + between unencrypted data and encrypted data. This would be true + even if some of the data in encrypted mode was + not encrypted---as the outermost IP header must be, if the + packet is to be routable. + + + MUST + + Ueli Maurer's Universal Statistical Test for Random + Bit Generators( + MUST) quickly measures the entropy + of a sample. It uses a compression-like algorithm. The code is given below for a variant + which measures successive (~quarter megabyte) chunks of a + file. + + + + Tcpdump + + We also need a way to capture the raw network data. A + program called &man.tcpdump.1; lets you do this, if you have + enabled the Berkeley Packet Filter + interface in your kernel's config + file. + + The command + + + tcpdump -c 4000 -s 10000 -w dumpfile.bin + + + will capture 4000 raw packets to + dumpfile.bin. Up to 10,000 bytes per + packet will be captured in this example. + + + + The Experiment + + Here's the experiment. + + + + Open a window to an IPsec host and another window to an + insecure host. + + + + Now start capturing + packets. + + + + In the secure window, run the UNIX + command &man.yes.1;, which will stream the y + character. After a while, stop this. Switch to the + insecure window, and repeat. After a while, stop. + + + + Now run MUST on the + captured packets. You should see something like the + following. The important thing to note is that the secure + connection has 93% (6.7) of the expected value (7.18), and + the normal connection has 29% (2.1) of the + expected value. + + +&prompt.user; tcpdump -c 4000 -s 10000 -w ipsecdemo.bin +&prompt.user; uliscan ipsecdemo.bin Uliscan 21 Dec 98 L=8 256 258560 @@ -98,58 +144,75 @@ 6.4100 --------------------------------------------------- 2.1101 ----------------- 2.0838 ----------------- -2.0983 ----------------- - -

Caveat

- -

This experiment shows that IPsec does seem to be distributing the - payload data uniformly, as encryption should. However, the - experiment described here cannotdetect many possible flaws in a - system (none of which do I have any evidence for). These include poor - key generation or exchange, data or keys being visible to others, use of - weak algorithms, kernel subversion, etc. Study the source; know the - code.

- -

IPsec---Definition

- -

Internet Protocol security extensions to IPv4; required for IPv6. A - protocol for negotiating encryption and authentication at the IP - (host-to-host) level. SSL secures only one application socket; SSH - secures only a login; PGP secures only a specified file or - message. IPsec encrypts everything between two hosts.

- -

Installing IPsec

- -

Most of the modern versions of FreeBSD have IPsec support - in their base source. So you'll probably will need to - include IPSEC option in your kernel config - and, after kernel rebuild and reinstall, configure IPsec - connections using setkey command.

- - -

A comprehensive guide on running IPsec on FreeBSD is - provided in FreeBSD - Handbook. - -

usr/src/sys/i386/conf/KERNELNAME

- -

This needs to be present in the kernel config file in order to be able - to capture network data with tcpdump. - Be sure to run config after adding this, and rebuild and - reinstall.

- -
device	bpf
 -
- -

Maurer's Universal Statistical Test (for block - size=8 bits)

- -

You can find the same code at - this link.

+2.0983 ----------------- +
+
+
+
+ + + Caveat + + This experiment shows that IPsec does + seem to be distributing the payload data + uniformly, as encryption should. However, + the experiment described here cannot + detect many possible flaws in a system (none of which do I have + any evidence for). These include poor key generation or + exchange, data or keys being visible to others, use of weak + algorithms, kernel subversion, etc. Study the source; know the + code. + + + + IPsec---Definition + + Internet Protocol security extensions to IPv4; required for + IPv6. A protocol for negotiating encryption and authentication + at the IP (host-to-host) level. SSL secures only one application + socket; SSH secures only a login; + PGP secures only a specified file or + message. IPsec encrypts everything between two hosts. + + + + Installing IPsec + + Most of the modern versions of FreeBSD have IPsec support + in their base source. So you'll probably will need to include + option in your kernel config and, after + kernel rebuild and reinstall, configure IPsec connections using + &man.setkey.8; command. + + A comprehensive guide on running IPsec on FreeBSD is + provided in FreeBSD + Handbook. + + + + usr/src/sys/i386/conf/KERNELNAME + + This needs to be present in the kernel config file in order + to be able to capture network data with &man.tcpdump.1;. Be sure + to run &man.config.8; after adding this, and rebuild and + reinstall. + + +device bpf + + + + + Maurer's Universal Statistical Test (for block size=8 + bits) + + You can find the same code at + this link. -

 +/*
    ULISCAN.c   ---blocksize of 8
  
    1 Oct 98
 @@ -178,13 +241,13 @@
  */
  
  #define L 8
 -#define V (1<
 -#include 
 +#include <stdio.h>
 +#include <math.h>
  
  int main(argc, argv)
  int argc;
 @@ -202,7 +265,7 @@
  
    printf("Uliscan 21 Dec 98 \nL=%d %d %d \n", L, V, MAXSAMP);
  
 -  if (argc < 2) {
 +  if (argc < 2) {
      printf("Usage: Uliscan filename\n");
      exit(-1);
    } else {
 @@ -216,11 +279,11 @@
      exit(-1);
    }
  
 -  for (i = 0; i < V; i++) {
 +  for (i = 0; i < V; i++) {
      table[i] = 0;
    }
  
 -  for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) {
 +  for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) {
      b = fgetc(fptr);
      table[b] = i;
    }
 @@ -236,15 +299,15 @@
      iproduct = 1;
  
      if (run)
 -      for (i = Q; run && i < Q + K; i++) {
 +      for (i = Q; run && i < Q + K; i++) {
          j = i;
          b = fgetc(fptr);
  
 -        if (b < 0)
 +        if (b < 0)
            run = 0;
  
          if (run) {
 -          if (table[b] > j)
 +          if (table[b] > j)
              j += K;
  
            sum += log((double)(j-table[b]));
 @@ -259,16 +322,16 @@
      sum = (sum/((double)(i - Q))) /  log(2.0);
      printf("%4.4f ", sum);
  
 -    for (i = 0; i < (int)(sum*8.0 + 0.50); i++)
 +    for (i = 0; i < (int)(sum*8.0 + 0.50); i++)
        printf("-");
  
      printf("\n");
  
      /* refill initial table */
      if (0) {
 -      for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) {
 +      for (i = 0; i < Q; i++) {
          b = fgetc(fptr);
 -        if (b < 0) {
 +        if (b < 0) {
            run = 0;
          } else {
            table[b] = i;
 @@ -276,8 +339,7 @@
        }
      }
    }
 -}]]>
- - - - +} + +
+
-- Alex Kapranoff, Voice: +7(0832)791845 We've lived 201 days in the brand new millenium... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 2:26:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C139A37B407 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6L9PqX62626 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:25:52 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: emoticons in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010721022552.A61117@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone mind if Chern and I add emoticons to our list of cleanup items? It appears that at least one reviewer was put off by our liberal use of them : http://www.daemonnews.org/200103/review_FBSD_Handbook.html Do people prefer to see ";)" in HTML output? We could of course add an entity that only displays emoticons for HTML output if that would be desired. Thoughts? - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 2:43:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from theshell.com (arsenic.theshell.com [63.236.138.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43AEF37B403 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pavalos@theshell.com) Received: (qmail 16618 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 09:43:35 -0000 Received: from radium.theshell.com (HELO tequila) (root@63.236.138.3) by arsenic.theshell.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2001 09:43:35 -0000 From: "Peter Avalos" To: "'Murray Stokely'" , Subject: RE: emoticons in the Handbook Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:43:31 -0500 Message-ID: <054301c111c9$9c142870$d09cfc9e@tequila> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20010721022552.A61117@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Emoticons do not belong in any kind of formal document except when explaining what an emoticon is. I'd prefer to get rid of all emoticons in all versions of the handbook. --Pete > Does anyone mind if Chern and I add emoticons to our list > of cleanup items? It appears that at least one reviewer was > put off by our liberal use of them : > http://www.daemonnews.org/200103/review_FBSD_Handbook.html Do people prefer to see ";)" in HTML output? We could of course add an entity that only displays emoticons for HTML output if that would be desired. Thoughts? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 2:53:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C2F37B403 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32243E2F; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:53:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: emoticons in the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010721022552.A61117@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@osd.bsdi.com on "Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:25:52 -0700" Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:53:23 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010721095323.A32243E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Murray Stokely writes: > Does anyone mind if Chern and I add emoticons to our list of cleanup > items? It appears that at least one reviewer was put off by our > liberal use of them : > > http://www.daemonnews.org/200103/review_FBSD_Handbook.html > > Do people prefer to see ";)" in HTML output? We could of course add > an entity that only displays emoticons for HTML output if that would > be desired. > > Thoughts? Kill them without remorse! > > - Murray > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 5:11:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (kawoserv.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B754837B405 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 05:11:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (root@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.181.148]) by kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02526; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:11:27 +0200 Received: (from alex@localhost) by fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6LCC4h33846; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:12:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:12:04 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: emoticons in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010721141203.A33817@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de> References: <20010721022552.A61117@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010721095323.A32243E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010721095323.A32243E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 02:53:23AM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Dima Dorfman (dima@unixfreak.org): > > Do people prefer to see ";)" in HTML output? We could of course add > > an entity that only displays emoticons for HTML output if that would > > be desired. > Kill them without remorse! Seconded. Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 6: 5:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6650337B405; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 06:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010721130527.XPGL13241.amsmta06-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:05:27 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6LCp8f08447; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:51:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:51:08 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Andrew Boothman , Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010721145108.N79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010720 16:51], Alexey Zelkin (phantom@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: >Do you propose me to 'rm -rf /' all our FreeBSD desktops here and >replace it with Linux because FreeBSD was not designed to serve us >as it did for last few years ? You read more in my words than I said. >I'm always using FreeBSD as server platform, but nothing stops me from >using it as desktops also. I know, I use it as a desktop system as well, but the fact remains it is made for servers, everything hints at it. >Maybe some time in future FreeBSD will have new make knob to build >"not overengeneered" version of "world", i.e. (make DESKTOP_ONLY=YES world :-), >but now I don't see a reason to stop people who attempts to make FreeBSD >(code or documentation) better for end users (not experienced admins only). That is the issue. Is that document written for the end-user or for an administrator? Both sets of documentation differ wildly and should be treated as different documents (and yes, I am all in favor for splitting it off to address this). This effectively means that the current handbook is trying to address both and in my opinion utterly fails. If Murray wants to do the end-user handbook, more power to that initiative, but I think it will be a dumb choice to ignore the score of people who we have helped in the past, the administrators. [Also one of the reasons I started the developer's handbook.] And where on earth did you get the `stop people' idea from? I am merely trying to get a focus here, since focus and direction is something which has been sorely lacking. And not considering more options would, IMHO, be very stupid to put it very blunt. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Open your Heart and push the limits... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 6:44:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04F7E37B403 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 06:44:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: from ae05031.powerup.com.au (HELO warhawk) (203.147.164.31) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2001 13:44:18 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "freebsd-doc@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Suggestion re: man.cgi Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:48:36 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just a quick suggestion. Wouldn't it good to be able to override the location of the man.cgi in the Makefile or /etc/Make.conf instead of having to hack share/freebsd.dsl? ---- We can fly. We have wings, We can touch floating dreams, Call me from so far- Through the wind, in the light. ---- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 7:51: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A7B37B406 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010721145102.YNIJ15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:51:02 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6LEoai09291; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:50:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:50:35 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: emoticons in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010721165035.O79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010721022552.A61117@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010721022552.A61117@meow.osd.bsdi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010721 11:30], Murray Stokely (murray@osd.bsdi.com) wrote: > Does anyone mind if Chern and I add emoticons to our list of cleanup >items? Clean them up. > Do people prefer to see ";)" in HTML output? No. Documentation should be free of emoticons. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Mata tak nampak ana tunjukkan jalan... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 10: 5:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7708237B405 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:05:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from intruder.bmah.org ([24.176.204.87]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010721170517.BTIL17478.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@intruder.bmah.org>; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:05:17 -0700 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6LH5Gx49178; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200107211705.f6LH5Gx49178@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: emoticons in the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010721095323.A32243E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010721095323.A32243E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Comments: In-reply-to Dima Dorfman message dated "Sat, 21 Jul 2001 02:53:23 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_847663924P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:05:16 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_847663924P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Murray Stokely writes: > > Thoughts? > > Kill them without remorse! Show no mercy. Bruce. --==_Exmh_847663924P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7WbZM2MoxcVugUsMRAo+DAKC8UOhnSlGC3jdP8/7rrTYH6S3lHgCfR3m8 r3+1+kP+YG6xWEFTRAAtZDc= =HtOV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_847663924P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 10:11:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294F537B409 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r2.bfm.org [216.127.220.98]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:16:09 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010721120939.0087c100@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:09:39 -0500 To: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: emoticons in the Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010721022552.A61117@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:25 2001-07-21 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > Does anyone mind if Chern and I add emoticons to our list of cleanup >items? It appears that at least one reviewer was put off by our >liberal use of them : I tend to agree with him. We go out of the way not to use "can't", "isn't", etc, because we want to look professional. Emoticons kill that image. > Do people prefer to see ";)" in HTML output? We could of course add >an entity that only displays emoticons for HTML output if that would >be desired. No, I would prefer not to see emoticons at all. But if we are going to keep them, we should consider this: There is a Unicode for smiley face, in fact there are three of them: U+2323 - SMILE U+263A - WHITE SMILING FACE U+263B - BLACK SMILING FACE (those are hexadecimal numbers, obviously). Of the three, ☺ seems to be available on most browsers. Lynx can handle them all, but Windows browsers need a proper font, and the default fonts that come with Windows do not support U+2323, but do support U+263A and U+263B. Additionally, they support U+2639, which is defined as WHITE FROWNING FACE (as in :( that is). There also is U+2322 (FROWN), which, like SMILE, is not supported by the default Windows fonts. So, if we go with emoticons, we should define ⌣ and ⌢, then use ☺ and ☹ respectively in HTML, but probably use U+2323 and U+2322 in print (i.e., PostScript, PDF) -- though we may need to supply an appropriate PostScript font. Adam --- http://phonecowboy.com/registrar/twist/ finds a good domain for you and checks for its existence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 10:29:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow025o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E811C37B406; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org ([62.31.80.67]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:29:15 +0100 Message-ID: <3B59BBEA.3060600@cream.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:29:14 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Alexey Zelkin , Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> <20010721145108.N79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > That is the issue. > > Is that document written for the end-user or for an administrator? But the end-user is the administrator of their box! ;-) In my opinion, the documentation is written for people who are trying to get things done, reguardless of they are trying to do it in a server or desktop environment. After all, many of the tasks they have to perform are the same anyway. And an inexperienced server administrator needs exactly the same level of hand-holding and explanation as an inexperienced end-user setting up their workstation for the first time. Returning to the question of where the X installation chapter should be, I believe it should be near the start as it is part of the process of getting the system working, IMHO. And I guess we could add a comment to the introduction reminding server administrators that they probably don't need or want X at all. Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 12:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E2637B406 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6LJA2p44353; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107211910.f6LJA2p44353@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Subject: Re: docs/17101: Useless reference in the doscmd manpage Reply-To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/17101; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/17101: Useless reference in the doscmd manpage Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:10:47 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EDB818807B019AFFE1DF3A57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I know this PR is closed, but it doesn't seem a good idea to reference a port on the manpage since it isn't installed by default, and some of us don't install the ports tree. Isn't the BSDI bsd2dos(1) version available now for commiters ?? cheers, Pedro. ps. 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Giffuni end:vcard --------------EDB818807B019AFFE1DF3A57-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 13:12: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fakse.dk (mail.fakse.dk [217.18.224.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D0937B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csg@fakse.dk) Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:11:46 +0200 Message-ID: <3446FD684954D511926C0050BAD8813D1EF842@MAIL> From: Christian Greisen To: "'freebsd-doc@freebsd.org'" Subject: Supported hardware additional information. Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:11:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Concerning the part: "RealTek 8129/8139 fast ethernet NICs including the following: Allied-Telesyn AT2550 Allied-Telesyn AT2500TX Genius GF100TXR (RTL8139) NDC Communications NE100TX-E OvisLink LEF-8129TX OvisLink LEF-8139TX Netronix Inc. EA-1210 NetEther 10/100 KTX-9130TX 10/100 Fast Ethernet Accton ``Cheetah'' EN1207D (MPX 5030/5038; RealTek 8139 clone) SMC EZ Card 10/100 PCI 1211-TX" It also includes support for the D-LINK DFE 538 TX adapter. Sincerly Christian Greisen, IT-department, Municipality of Fakse, Denmark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 21 20:52: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bard.barchord.com (H97.C194.tor.velocet.net [216.138.194.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBC137B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 20:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbt@zort.ca) Received: (qmail 32853 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2001 03:52:03 -0000 Received: from cleric.barchord.com (HELO h97.c194.tor.velocet.net) (192.168.0.1) by bard.barchord.com with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 22 Jul 2001 03:52:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12067 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2001 03:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jester) (192.168.0.22) by h97.c194.tor.velocet.net with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 22 Jul 2001 03:52:01 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c11261$a8d53fc0$1600a8c0@jester> From: "Rod Taylor" To: Subject: IPSec Documentation Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:51:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C11240.2147E010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C11240.2147E010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ipsec.html It would be worthwhile for the above to mention that ESP and AH require protocol 50 and 51 respectively to be allowed through the firewall. -- Rod Taylor Your eyes are weary from staring at the CRT. 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