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Date:      Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:11:29 -0700
From:      Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>
Cc:        "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: [rfc] removing the NDISulator
Message-ID:  <CAJ-VmonHcksMgQZ%2BmiLu%2BL60auRyTOAcENBFkpaA1xEWJXeQRw@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <526810DB.20705@mu.org>
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On 23 October 2013 11:09, Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> wrote:


> Eh, having taken a stab at porting the bwl blob already, I would strongly
>> oppose removing NDIS.  If you do that I will just stop using my netbook
>> with a Broadcom part altogether as I wouldn't be able to use it to try to
>> test bwl changes.  The NDIS thing is a bit hackish, but it is quite useful
>> for a lot of folks.
>>
>>  I have to agree.  Deprecation != motivation.


I can pull out examples of this not holding true:

* all the giant locking in drivers
* all the giant locking in VFS

People did pop up and claim ownership of things they cared about. Some
stuff died, some stuff didn't. There was enough of a motivation by us to
kill giant off in these pathways so things could continue to evolve. We
didn't leave the GIANT crutch in forever.



-adrian



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