From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 3 11:36:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB2716A4CF for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net (razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1850E43FBD for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:36:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-38ldvdb.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.253.171] helo=mindspring.com) by razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AGkVR-00017Z-00; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:36:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3FA6AE69.3BB03ACD@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:37:13 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "C. Kukulies" References: <200311021559.hA2FxTjn003915@www.kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a458b1036e115974f055e08b64745391b6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spambouncer tags much freebsd list mail as spam X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 19:36:58 -0000 "C. Kukulies" wrote: > I installed the spambouncer.org procmail script and before I was switching > the behaviour from SILENT to COMPLAIN I took a look at my spam.incoming folder > and found a lot of messages from freebsd-bugs and freebsd-mobile in there. > > Both lists are not directed to folders prior to spambouncer coming into effect > so they are trapped by spambouncer and I suspect that other freebsd lists > would be trapped as well. > > Anyone experienced similar? The "spambouncer" script makes the same incorrect assumption that the EarthLink SPAM stuff makes, which is that any mail not explicitly addressed to you is SPAM. In other words, they expect mailing lists to violate the draft RFC that prohibits header rewriting by mailing lists, and they expect all mailing list servers to eat the overhead of expanding each message to a single recipient message, instead of sending the messages in bulk if the destination domain is identical. At least the "spambouncer" script can be modified to respect the "Sender:" header, which EarthLink fails to respect in their list of "allowed senders". This is pretty much how you should modify the "spambouncer" code to handle mailing lists (and how EarthLink should modify their anti-SPAM system, as well, but probably won't). -- Terry