From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 18:42:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B77016A41F; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:42:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (gate.funkthat.com [69.17.45.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F97443D77; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:41:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k05IfoBT067226; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:41:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k05Ifl1L067225; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:41:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:41:47 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: "Daniel O'Connor" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Chuck Swiger , current Message-ID: <20060105184147.GD69162@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Daniel O'Connor , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Chuck Swiger , current References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <43AB1E65.2030501@mac.com> <20051222221202.GM39174@svcolo.com> <200512231136.12471.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20060105092448.GH1358@svcolo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060105092448.GH1358@svcolo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p6 i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html Cc: Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:42:11 -0000 Jo Rhett wrote this message on Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 01:24 -0800: > > You are putting words in the mouth of core@ - > > Sorry. As said before, the topic is always struck down and nobody from > core has ever stood up to say "we'll support this". I don't know whose on > core this week, nor will I at any given time. I just know that core has > either struck it down or been Silent. I believe core has a policy of never supporting vaporware... There is always the chicken and egg problem with arguments like this... I'll code this if you agree to support it and maintain it/I will agree to support it once you code it... In FreeBSD, and many open source projects, no code, no support, how can you support or even agree to support something that doesn't exist? And then as soon as FreeBSD agrees to support something that doesn't exist, either a) other people who were interested in the project stop, even if you end up never producing a bit of code, or b) someone else produces better code, drops the support for the original, but then the author complains about being told they'd support his code, and going with another code base... Bottom line: Once code exists, then support can be talked about.. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."