From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jan 27 20:34:36 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0508414BBD8C for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3996283D59 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (adsl-108-68-160-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.160.150]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECBF718061; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:34:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Wireless interface To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190127203525.0d7cf203.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <4489c4d3-fd97-6a58-8d56-6b9bceab5273@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:34:27 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190127203525.0d7cf203.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3996283D59 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.43 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.79)[0.792,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.70)[-0.700,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.08)]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.26)[0.265,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:34:36 -0000 On 1/27/19 1:35 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 13:23:22 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> > >> With FreeBSD you will pay with your time. You will need some effort >> requiring some learning to install system, software, and make all work. > > You will also need to invest time into learning "Windows", > either if you haven't been exposed to it before, or because > you need to unlearn what you knew from previous "Windows" > vesions (things that are very different now) or from different > GUI-based systems (such as Linux with an IDE). > Very true. The following is what I usually tell my Windows users when I help them. INUX sysadmins usually can deal with any system, including MS Windows. Actually, everybody can administer MS Windows (not server, desktop/laptop version). However, Microsoft with every system release, renames and reshuffles yet the same administration tools (almost true). Windows admins learn that by heart (and that is part of their Certification, probably), and when they deal with your system they look just brilliant. But you and I can do that too, it just takes us some effort to find yet the same tools we used on older system, wherever they are "hidden" on this new system. This all is truth (almost), and it actually helps my users to feel that they are still on the solid ground as they were with previous MS Windows system. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++