From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 30 10:08:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2525516A41F for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:08:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jas@extundo.com) Received: from yxa.extundo.com (178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [217.13.230.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E6043D5D for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:08:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jas@extundo.com) Received: from latte.josefsson.org (c494102a.s-bi.bostream.se [217.215.27.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id jAU9W25A006676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:32:03 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: "M. Warner Losh" References: <20051121.150452.35505952.imp@bsdimp.com> OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:21:051130:imp@bsdimp.com::OWc86gTAPQcRKYSU:6YZO X-Hashcash: 1:21:051130:freebsd-doc@freebsd.org::ibuxnWHjWiYT1Les:9Kn8 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:31:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20051121.150452.35505952.imp@bsdimp.com> (M. Warner Losh's message of "Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:04:52 -0700 (MST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposed license for IETF Contributions X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:08:29 -0000 "M. Warner Losh" writes: > c. The Contributor grants third parties the irrevocable > right to copy, use and distribute the Contribution, with > or without modification, in any medium, without royalty, > provided that unauthorized redistributed modified works > do not contain misleading author, version, name of work, > or endorsement information. This specifically implies, > for instance, that unauthorized redistributed modified > works must not claim endorsement of the modified work by > the IETF, IESG, IANA, IAB, ISOC, RFC Editor, or any > similar organization, and remove any claims of status as > an Internet Standard, e.g., by removing the RFC > boilerplate. The IETF requests that any citation or > excerpt of unmodified text reference the RFC or other > document from which the text is derived. > >> Comments? Suggestions? > > The only comment about the wording is the word 'request'. I don't > believe that 'requests' isn't legally defined very well. Are requests > legally binding obligations, or do they communicate wishes that are > free to be ignored? Would 'suggests' be better? If it is > non-optional, then "Any citation or excerpt of unmodified text shall > reference the RFC or other document from which the text is quoted." > maybe with the addition of the word 'substantial' after 'Any'. I found the last sentence slightly odd too, and your suggestions are good. I don't think it is necessary to require a reference, it will be likely be added when it fit the context anyway. So I used "suggests" instead. > "This specifically implies, for instance, that" is wordy and verbose. > It would be better to omit it entirely, and capitalize 'unauthorised': > Unauthorized redistributed modified works must > (a) not claim laim endorcsement by X, Y, Z > (b) remove RFC boilerplate, etc I agree. > This could likely be improved from there. A license is a series of > obligations and grants. It should be clear from the grant what one > may and may not do. Having added verbage gets in the way and can lead > to ambiguous wording. Such phrases are better for a companion > 'Explaining the License' document. Yup. We can expand the document later on. Btw, the new license text reads: c. The Contributor grants third parties the irrevocable right to copy, use and distribute the Contribution, with or without modification, in any medium, without royalty, provided that unauthorized redistributed modified works do not contain misleading author, version, name of work, or endorsement information. Unauthorized redistributed modified works must (a) not claim endorsement of the modified work by the IETF, IESG, IANA, IAB, ISOC, RFC Editor, or any similar organization, and (b) remove any claims of status as an Internet Standard, e.g., by removing the RFC boilerplate. The IETF suggests that any citation or excerpt of unmodified text reference the RFC or other document from which the text is derived. I will update this further today, based on several comments received when I was away on vacation last week, so expect things to change. The latest text is always available from . Thanks, Simon