Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:10:21 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio <kudzu@tenebras.com> To: "David G. Lawrence" <dg@dglawrence.com> Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please confirm (conf#3cf11a7145595546740c6064dbc27044) Message-ID: <3F0044CD.1070908@tenebras.com> In-Reply-To: <20030630061417.GA35100@nexus.dglawrence.com> References: <200306300357.h5U3vwv6041101@nexus.dglawrence.com> <3EFFB607.6030101@tenebras.com> <20030630042653.GK29066@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3EFFD0D1.9030605@tenebras.com> <20030630061417.GA35100@nexus.dglawrence.com>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010805090207060403090801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David G. Lawrence wrote: > I respectfully disagree with your second assertion that doing sender > confirmations is 'a bad idea'. ASK, TMDA, etc. seek to implement a notion in which the computational burden of spam and malware is shifted to the client/sender. This generates a lot of extra traffic and work without the promised benefits -- as witnessed here. What would it do with my hotel reservation confirmation email? Of course, blacklists don't work, either. ;-) And my Bayesian spam filter (attempting to catch what the blacklists don't) occasionally tags legitimate mail as spam. > Despite this little hickup with ASK, I highly recommend it. It > sucessfully filters about 99.999% of the spam that I get, while rarely > blocking legitimate email. Well, David, five nines to a cryptographer isn't a very high percentage. Of course, my ISP thinks that three nines of uptime is unattainable... > Download Technologies, Inc. - http://www.downloadtech.com - (866) 399 8500 Kick Akamai's Butt! -- "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent man requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mahabharata --------------ms010805090207060403090801 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIIhjCC AqEwggIKoAMCAQICAwhjojANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNV BAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUx HTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVl bWFpbCBSU0EgMjAwMC44LjMwMB4XDTAyMTAwMTE3NDUxMVoXDTAzMTAwMTE3NDUxMVowRDEf MB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYSa3VkenVA dGVuZWJyYXMuY29tMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDc7l1Wmw7vuj28fswS Vko0N57ePiNb6NVRn/6L4nQQLurwLs9s4en72eeu4UfW38wpse/IYH8htvXd1rxAYVxOrJLf dySpZoKzeLnYYtDqmfLJIZRSNxbVGUpd4zobF/oHm6Rcp+nfSKfm++mEw2kZ1oheZUEKHPXf rzELb13xqwIDAQABo1IwUDAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMCA6gwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgWgMB0G A1UdEQQWMBSBEmt1ZHp1QHRlbmVicmFzLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEB BAUAA4GBALXfqHnT4B9cR+I+SKEAHFrRuZuQfERG4fjAY4Z1eQa3TH11725IJBZGqv6Ba4Za v5ynVNZ6vBgUp/mDa/B3Yd/hm42X2j5V9bF2kufIx9lFDS9A1n+3vt8ZxS/W9VOnTrAOo8FP 8uD1tZPrsgn67/0CdjAAWMmlexjIc4m7PbXHMIICoTCCAgqgAwIBAgIDCGOiMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBAUAMIGSMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQH EwlDYXBlIFRvd24xDzANBgNVBAoTBlRoYXd0ZTEdMBsGA1UECxMUQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2Vy dmljZXMxKDAmBgNVBAMTH1BlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIFJTQSAyMDAwLjguMzAwHhcNMDIx MDAxMTc0NTExWhcNMDMxMDAxMTc0NTExWjBEMR8wHQYDVQQDExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwg TWVtYmVyMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJrdWR6dUB0ZW5lYnJhcy5jb20wgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBANzuXVabDu+6Pbx+zBJWSjQ3nt4+I1vo1VGf/ovidBAu6vAuz2zh 6fvZ567hR9bfzCmx78hgfyG29d3WvEBhXE6skt93JKlmgrN4udhi0OqZ8skhlFI3FtUZSl3j OhsX+gebpFyn6d9Ip+b76YTDaRnWiF5lQQoc9d+vMQtvXfGrAgMBAAGjUjBQMA4GA1UdDwEB /wQEAwIDqDARBglghkgBhvhCAQEEBAMCBaAwHQYDVR0RBBYwFIESa3VkenVAdGVuZWJyYXMu Y29tMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAtd+oedPgH1xH4j5IoQAcWtG5 m5B8REbh+MBjhnV5BrdMfXXvbkgkFkaq/oFrhlq/nKdU1nq8GBSn+YNr8Hdh3+GbjZfaPlX1 sXaS58jH2UUNL0DWf7e+3xnFL9b1U6dOsA6jwU/y4PW1k+uyCfrv/QJ2MABYyaV7GMhzibs9 tccwggM4MIICoaADAgECAhBmRXK3zHT1z2N2RYTQLpEBMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMIHRMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24x GjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNl cnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0Ex KzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDAwODMw MDAwMDAwWhcNMDQwODI3MjM1OTU5WjCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rl cm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsT FENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0Eg MjAwMC44LjMwMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDeMzKmY8cJJUU+0m54J2eB xdqIGYKXDuNEKYpjNSptcDz63K737nRvMLwzkH/5NHGgo22Y8cNPomXbDfpL8dbdYaX5hc1V mjUanZJ1qCeu2HL5ugL217CR3hzpq+AYA6h8Q0JQUYeDPPA5tJtUihOH/7ObnUlmAC0JieyU a+mhaQIDAQABo04wTDApBgNVHREEIjAgpB4wHDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRUHJpdmF0ZUxhYmVsMS0y OTcwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEA MbFLR135AXHl9VNsXXnWPZjAJhNigSKnEvgilegbSbcnewQ5uvzm8iTrkfq97A0qOPdQVahs 9w2tTBu8A/S166JHn2yiDFiNMUIJEWywGmnRKxKyQF1q+XnQ6i4l3Yrk/NsNH50C81rbyjz2 ROomaYd/SJ7OpZ/nhNjJYmKtBcYxggNUMIIDUAIBATCBmjCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTAT BgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3 dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBG cmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMjAwMC44LjMwAgMIY6IwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAg8wGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkD MQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDMwNjMwMTQxMDIxWjAjBgkqhkiG9w0B CQQxFgQUXyS9mDEBu3XDmQgcaa7TzgX79IowUgYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMUUwQzAKBggqhkiG9w0D BzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwIC ASgwgasGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDGBnTCBmjCBkjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rl cm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZUaGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsT FENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0Eg MjAwMC44LjMwAgMIY6Iwga0GCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGdoIGaMIGSMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEV MBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xDzANBgNVBAoTBlRo YXd0ZTEdMBsGA1UECxMUQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2VydmljZXMxKDAmBgNVBAMTH1BlcnNvbmFs IEZyZWVtYWlsIFJTQSAyMDAwLjguMzACAwhjojANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASBgGbLNVSYmitI o3ftmf2/toVMIhzEkMvIlCcLE5wl9k6UFU/csJYYwWpyyQY0ePzXHE5nr8S5il474QAHF5KG kWzwZFn7h5RxSwHNtImiYIHjO2xrd0AlJ0sSBaTI05dJ/EoH/HFJWjGVZWWtTvy4kLrnsn/3 JPzGt09j2KUgenKgAAAAAAAA --------------ms010805090207060403090801--
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