From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 20 08:38:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4468A5776DE for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2Z1947bvz3Pg6 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 02:38:49 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <6054BE1B.50706@gmail.com> <20210319130249.000042a1@seibercom.net> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2Z1947bvz3Pg6 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.986]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.58)[-0.584]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:38:54 -0000 On 19 Mar 2021, at 11:02, Jerry wrote: > Versions 10 & 11 work fine. This is something that FreeBSD did that > screwed up the works. As I understand it, the controller was always broken (returning an = invalid and illegal ID?) it's just that FreeBSD tried to properly parse = that ID and fails. Who know, there are probably security considerations. = I know I do not want my system rusting a errant USB port considering the = security disater that USB is. Anyway, this is an issue with the controller and you have been told how = to work around it. At this point, it's up to you if you want to apply = the knife to cut out the controller causing the error or apply it to = your nose instead. Neither of these is really a great option, at least not if you are using = USB3 devices for some reason, but there it is. > Dell is aware of the problem but will do nothing That matches every experience I've ever had with Dell, yes. but the = issue appears to be the on board controller which is not theirs. The = manufacturer of the on board controller could fix this, probably, but = they have no motivation to. > I am not going to spend more money to get a system that is happy with > FreeBSD. I buy what I want and then get an OS that is capable of > operating on it, not the other way around. In any case, I am thinking > of either Fedora, Debian or Arch Linux. I was just looking for > recommendations from anyone who has used those systems. I find Linux to be annoyingly different in myriad ways, some of which = are objectively inferior, so=E2=80=A6 Every time I need to do stuff on = my Pi4 I feel like I am living on a. System that is almost, but not = quite, entirely unlike Unix. YMMV, of course. If you are a desktop Unix = person you may even prefer linux. --=20 The brain is an amazing organ, it works every second of every day from before we're even born right up until the instant we fall = in love.