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Date:      Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:21:45 -0700
From:      Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com>
To:        Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Warner Losh <imp@village.org>, "David E. O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/common boot.c module.c src/sys/boot/forth loader.conf src/sys/conf Makefile.alpha Makefile.i386 Makefile.pc98 kmod.mk src/share/mk bsd.own.mk 
Message-ID:  <33883.968343705@winston.osd.bsdi.com>
In-Reply-To: Message from Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>  of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:11:05 BST." <20000907131105.A811@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> 

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> I'm hearing an increasing number of comments from people that a lot of
> the FreeBSD development work is done behind closed doors.  Not only does

Which is unfortunate since those comments are largely in error.  I
don't know of any "doors" in this project at all, much less closed
ones, and if there are any barriers to information sharing at all it's
the world's oceans.  It's always difficult to know what's going on in
Europe and Japan, for example, because many of the developer
discussions there occur in languages other than english and on
narrowly distributed mailing lists.  I think that's just the nature of
the species, however, and hardly a FreeBSD-specific problem.

> this make it difficult for people to contribute to the initial work, it 
> also makes it difficult for people to carry on the work.  For example,
> the libh stuff, and the work that's being done in IA-64.

Which are both excellent examples of how perception has gotten things
entirely wrong.  The libh work has its own mailing list and open CVS
repository which anyone can subscribe to, it being more the case that
people are simply too apathetic to get involved.  I'm sure the one or
two people currently working on it would LOVE some help.  The IA-64
port is also essentially DEAD right now because the only person doing
any work on it at all is David O'Brien and he's hit a wall of molasses
on the toolchain issues.  There's no closed doors in either case,
simply very little (or nothing) going on to report.

- Jordan


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