From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Mar 17 15:54:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBEA37B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD13143FA3 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:54:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD2651A58; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:24:24 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:24:24 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Scott Mitchell , Vallo Kallaste Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange crash, possibly vinum-related Message-ID: <20030317235424.GI9422@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030310231532.GD522@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317105828.GA23237@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317115752.GA2250@kevad.internal> <20030317121932.GA23991@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317163746.GA3584@kevad.internal> <20030310231532.GD522@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317105828.GA23237@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317115752.GA2250@kevad.internal> <20030317121932.GA23991@tuatara.fishballoon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZY5CS28jBCfb727c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030317163746.GA3584@kevad.internal> <20030317121932.GA23991@tuatara.fishballoon.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ZY5CS28jBCfb727c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 17 March 2003 at 18:37:46 +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:19:32PM +0000, Scott Mitchell > wrote: > >> Thanks -- you've confirmed what I suspected, that I could have avoided the >> problems I saw by being a bit more cautious. My bad. >> >> Out of interest though, why do you advise not putting critical data on a >> Vinum R5 volume? This one has been running fine for ~2 years under >> reasonable loads. The disk failure was the first time it's required any >> attention at all, and it seems the problems I had with that were mostly of >> my own making. The mailing lists don't seem to be overrun with people >> complaining that 'Vinum ate my files' :-) > > Because RAID5 main features are to increase data redundancy _and_ > data availability. As you have discovered, it runs until it fails > and then you'll have a hard time recovering it. Recovery is the most > important (and difficult) part of it. Well, everybody else seems to manage fine. It's not difficult, just unreliable in your experience. And yes, I take your experience seriously, but it's not what most other people see. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers --ZY5CS28jBCfb727c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dmAwIubykFB6QiMRAnLKAKCQyar4lmW75tepTmrhEv0X0w+tNACgpCgB rSlijBZRSNdl/StsW7EnmhE= =h40d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZY5CS28jBCfb727c-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message