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Date:      Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:46:39 +0100
From:      Christoph Brinkhaus <c.brinkhaus@t-online.de>
To:        Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>
Cc:        Eric Masson <emss@free.fr>, Christian Ullrich <chris@chrullrich.net>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: poudriere, python ports, and flavors oh my?
Message-ID:  <20171203184639.GA94802@esprimo.local>
In-Reply-To: <F1CB0880-810A-4F4F-BA86-055A36605D48@adamw.org>
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On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 09:47:20AM -0700, Adam Weinberger wrote:

Dear Adam,

first of all I thank you and all contributers. In my optinion things
are running as smooth as possible. One must be extreme optimistic to 
expect such a change to happen without any issues.

> > On 3 Dec, 2017, at 6:31, Eric Masson <emss@free.fr> wrote:
> > 
> > Is ports/head becoming the alter ego of src/head (possible breakages or
> > disruptive new features from time to time) ?
> 
> Categorically, yes, though major breakages are rare. Situations like this, 
> where a major new feature gets introduced and the FreeBSD developers and 
> community hunt down problems and solve them, is strictly the role of HEAD. 
> While of course we can make no *guarantees* in either branch, ports-secteam 
> works very hard to inspect everything that gets merged to quarterly.
> 
As far as I know it takes a little amount of time to have changes
merged to quarterly. This might be of interest in case of securtity
issues only.

> > If yes, this should be written down in the handbook (chapter on ports
> > still states ports/head for svn retrieval) and quarterly ports branches
> > should be publicized.
> 
> I had no idea that the handbook was still directing people straight to HEAD. 
> You're absolutely right, that should be changed. Unfortunately, directing 
> people to an SVN path is difficult, because the SVN URL changes every 3 months, 
> and switching an SVN branch from one path to another isn't completely trivial.
> 
> For binary package users, new installs always default to installing packages 
> from quarterly, but we could do more to urge port builders toward quarterly branches too.
> 
I think the situation is good as it is now. Newcommers are and have
been encouraged to use packages first. With the introduction of falvors 
more users might be happy with packages.
Everything is well documented. With poudriere or synth there is no
effect on the host if the build fails just because some unlucky
situation. I think for most useres there is no need to rebuild the
ports day by day.

Thank you and all the others for all your effort! 
And whatever you will do, someone will volunteer to complain;-).

Kind regards,
Christoph



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