From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 17 15:23:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CE06CE6 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-x22a.google.com (mail-ve0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0516F1E5C for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id oy12so4428129veb.15 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:22:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZmaZ+ISYaX3pGRqemdwCGKDQJ0tEypiMiArPIFPyjTc=; b=YKHaYn+ps7RwemUyh9jcN11kEoNmGL48G/v4cZskQLQ8HBICV+z09sgfdOG663dv9V B8FiTqe7+6LQzUkbPMpilWOFRIFSN1cgwzwvHOaGryIt7COweliMeUb32GkHHeU/c5MF yEDwPjXc6K50FqzZrLmANck56LyzRNqwqF+4NVtt2yD7GVuLJHIYREHjglfgnvYOxFop Z+fg26Ht0R/JokE60Lr1ANGbEikZDTlWrZNHw0CChX1RsVsMByqS2B1+vCawDmGOZT9J +//RPcdRZ+6Rt+weFC/mZGW6EDi0NqkK4P5wuq8aRh6cfh6cbPVYmrgoLzzAAqj2mgdw QUyQ== X-Received: by 10.52.118.98 with SMTP id kl2mr5326491vdb.30.1387293779342; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:22:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: royce.williams@gmail.com Received: by 10.221.3.195 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:22:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131217145355.86518495d462e3d985065c47@mimar.rs> References: <20131216154458.GP1446@glenbarber.us> <20131217123420.GJ1446@glenbarber.us> <20131217130311.GL1446@glenbarber.us> <20131217145355.86518495d462e3d985065c47@mimar.rs> From: Royce Williams Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:22:38 -0900 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gSOl22tbEMftYqwXzGaELZ13WLY Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available To: freebsd-stable , Odhiambo Washington Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:23:01 -0000 On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Marko Cupa=C4=87 wr= ote: > I admit my addiction to constant source updating, customizing and > rebuilding kernel, rebuilding world, updating ports tree and rebuilding > outdated ports, or sometimes all the ports. For this purpose I have my > work laptop, and I use it mostly as a playground for testing. This is like tinkering with a hobby car: if it's what you enjoy doing, or if you need features or performance not provided by a "stock" car, then you should do it. (Except for rebuilding outdated ports; that's more like changing your oil.) > However, for maintenance of my production servers I am very glad that > freebsd-update exists. Amen! This is like avoiding tinkering with your primary commuting car (or your partner's car!): you need reliability, not the overhead and instability of tinkering. Actually, since freebsd-update helps you stay patched so easily, it's more like switching from doing your own car maintenance to having your own NASCAR pit crew. :-) Taken together, buildworld and freebsd-update are each essential in their own way for many admins. Also -- Odhiambo, freebsd-update doesn't have to clobber your kernel. There are many options in /etc/freebsd-update.conf that let you precisely control what is updated. See 'man freebsd-update.conf' for details. Royce