From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 11 23: 2:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A29A37B718 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:02:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14648; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:01:59 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010311235053.00e26140@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:01:55 -0700 To: Mike Meyer From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , "Victor R. Cardona" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <15020.28993.192354.986367@guru.mired.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010311230800.00e19bd0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311193801.0441d3c0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306122244.04477f00@localhost> <20010305200017.D80474@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010305123951.04604b20@localhost> <20010305205030.G80474@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010305125259.00cfdae0@localhost> <20010305142108.A17269@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306011342.045fb360@localhost> <20010306081025.A22143@marx.marvic.chum> <4.3.2.7.2.20010306092612.00b79f00@localhost> <20010306174618.N32515@lpt.ens.fr> <4.3.2.7.2.20010311230800.00e19bd0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:48 PM 3/11/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: >If you believe that, then you've already made up your mind, and >discussing the issue is pointless. Creators publishing is the >baby. If you try to construe what I said that way you'll miss the point I was trying to make. The notion of conferring rights on creators of content is vitally important, since without it there's no incentive for them to publish other than vanity. >Right. Copyright *allows* the author to be compensated. It isn't the >compensation. Nor does it allow the author to demand compensation for >mere use. Not so. For all uses except for "fair use," it does. >I use all the books I check out from the library, but >neither the author nor the publisher gets more compensation for my use >- though publishers are trying to change that. In Europe, authors do receive compensation from libraries for the use of their work. They even receive a share of the revenues from the copying machine. Since I've written more than 1,000 published articles, I get a small but not insignificant amount of money each year from that pool of money. The Copyright Clearance Center sends me a check each fall. >Any mechanism that allows the author to be compensated if they publish >will serve the same purpose. If you want, read "make available for the >public to use" for "publish"; it amounts to the same thing. If the >public can't get to the work, there's no way they can do something >that copyright allows the author to demand compensation for. You don't have to release your work to the general public. You can license it privately to a small number of individuals if you'd like. >> Copyright applies to far more than just publishing. For example, it >> also applies to public performance for profit, etc. > >This is a bit vague. A public performance itself isn't >copyrightable. Sure it is. And the author of the work that's performed is entitled to compensation too. >> I think that unbridled theft of copyrighted material is shameful too. > >So do I. It's clearly illegal and immoral. However, it is *not* >causing a major economic dislocation, It is, actually. It's impacting the sales of albums and especially those of "singles." >wherease the publishers mucking >with fair use and related rights is threatening an entire profession. Which one? >> As I said near the beginning of this thread, we need to broker a new >> peace -- not instigate or escalate a war. > >I agree. In particular, I think that the public would be better served >by a peace that used some other mechanism to allow artists to be >compensated for publishing. What would you propose? Something like ASCAP? From whom would it collect funds? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message