From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 12 14: 8:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0A937B400 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carl.svc.tds.net (carl.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12B943E4A for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kenwills@tds.net) Received: from zap.zaptillion.net ([66.188.113.165]) by carl.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020912211005.GAP3710.carl@zap.zaptillion.net>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:10:05 -0500 Received: by zap.zaptillion.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 36AAF226991; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:13:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:13:05 -0500 From: Ken Wills To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: Lawrence Sica , Giorgos Keramidas , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-ID: <20020912211305.GA38442@zaptillion.net> References: <1D9E168A-C38F-11D6-8C5E-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> <20020909103923.B9219-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020909103923.B9219-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org +++ Neal E. Westfall [09/09/02 10:41 -0700]: > > > On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Lawrence Sica wrote: > > > >>> An understanding of the characteristics of mutation in virrii, and > > >>> the development of new vaccines are not at all dependent on the > > >>> theory of evolution. Mutations != evolution. > > >> > > >> On the very contrary. Evolution can only go forth through mutation. > > >> Please do read Darwin's ``Origin of the Species'' again. > > > > > > Ahem. Evolution *requires* mutations to function, i.e. is *driven* > > > by mutations. But the fact that mutations occur does not prove > > > evolution. Mutations and evolution are two different things. > > > > > > > Mutation is a mechanism of evolution. Evolution is the process. One > > could make the leap of faith that since we mutate over time and these > > mutations change the species we evolve... > > This is just what I am trying to get people to admit, that evolution > requires tremendous leaps of faith. Now if you could see that it is also > irrational, my job would be done. > 'Tremendous leaps of faith are irrational?' ;-) How's that shiny new paintjob in the corner coming along? ;-) ;-) Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message