Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:44:38 +0100 From: Jochem Kossen <j.kossen@home.nl> To: Zvezdan Petkovic <zvezdan@CS.WM.EDU> Cc: FreeBSD-Stable <stable@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: linux-base 6.2 vs linux-base 7 Message-ID: <20011126014437.B43046@jochem.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20011125190045.A21651@dali.cs.wm.edu>; from zvezdan@CS.WM.EDU on Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:00:46PM -0500 References: <3BFF8750.8090109@rain.fr> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0111251826300.1052-100000@prophet.alphaque.com> <20011125211058.A628@jochem.dyndns.org> <20011125213815.GA16500@leviathan.inethouston.net> <20011125230111.A24090@jochem.dyndns.org> <20011125222422.GA17212@leviathan.inethouston.net> <20011125233536.A24348@jochem.dyndns.org> <20011125190045.A21651@dali.cs.wm.edu>
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This is REALLY getting off-topic, and i did NOT want to start some kind of browser-flamewar... On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 07:00:46PM -0500, Zvezdan Petkovic wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 11:35:36PM +0100, Jochem Kossen wrote: > > linux-netscape-navigator-4.79 and linux-opera-5.05-tp1_2 > > > > If i could get a browser which supports flash and has decent HTML/JavaScript > > support (not like konqueror), i could do without either of those... > > > > Did you ever really try to find it? > > Mozilla 0.9.2.1 supports flash/realaudio/java excellently. Mozilla 0.9.5 > has fixed, as far as I can see, the last few rendering bugs on several > pages I knew as problematic for previous Mozilla releases. Mozilla 0.9.6 > is already out. Yes, i use mozilla-0.96 as my default browser, and i love it...But to my knowledge, only the GNU port of flash, which only supports flash-3 works under FreeBSD. So you're telling me that the linux-flashplugin port actually works with mozilla? hmm... As for java...does THAT work with mozilla on FreeBSD? HOW? :) > Galeon 0.11.3 does all these things (since it's based on Mozilla 0.9.2) > with perhaps more convenient interface for some people. Galeon after > 0.12.4 release is Mozilla 0.9.5 compatible. They released 1.0 recently. > > Finally, I must defend this "slander" :-) of Konqueror which is also an > excellent browser. It does support HTML and JavaScript quite well. I > knew some pages that looked much better in Konqueror than in Mozilla, > and vice versa. Konqueror 2.2 is almost completely standards compliant > (check CSS webpage at W3C to see what they have to say about it). One > thing though. JavaScript is off by default, while in Mozilla it's on by > default. Let me give you some reasons why one would want to use > Konqueror rather than Mozilla/Galeon etc. Don't get me wrong, i like konqueror also, i just think it needs a little more maturation... Things like target="screen2" in a <a href ..></a> tag aren't used. Every link is opened in a new screen...Things like that make it look a bit immature... > 1. Selective control of Java, JavaScript and cookies. Mozilla/Galeon > have the selective control of cookies only. Java and JavaScript are > either on or off non-selectively. Galleon at least has a quick menu > option to switch them on/off which comes in handy if you want to > enable them for one particular page only. But that can't beat > Konqueror's per domain selective Allow/Reject policy for all three of > them. I accept JavaScript from a very few domains only and Java from > even less. nice :) > 2. Printing! Try printing anything that is not in Western Latin1 > encoding (ISO8859-1) in Mozilla/Galeon. Have fun watching the look of > the page on the paper. Konqueror prints perfectly ISO8859-whatever > and Microsoft encodings (Cyrillic or Latin). It can print PDF > directly. Unbeatable! Yes, this is nice too :) > 3. Anti-aliasing. AFAIK, Mozilla still doesn't have it. Hmm...yes, unfortunately i think the aa support of KDE is kinda ugly, especially for small fonts. I do think it will be improved, but for now, no thanks... > Let me give you the reasons why you wouldn't want to use Konqueror on > some sites. > > 1. The plugin support sometimes fails. Reloading the page or clicking > the link again usually succeeds but it's annoying. Notice, please, that > some plugins are simply old and work only in Netscape 4.x. Even Mozilla > can't support them. > > 2. Yes there are still a few pages Konqueror doesn't render well. I > often visit nba.com and the front page should have a photo inside the > central frame to the right of the text (it does in other browsers). > Konqueror for some reason doesn't show it. It also still misses the > text justification from the CSS standard. But that's not a big deal. > As I mentioned there were some pages that Mozilla couldn't show well > until version 0.9.5 and Konqueror was showing them flawlessly. > > 3. All these processes running in the background just to start the > Konqueror. If you are running KDE that's not an issue. But I run a > simple window manager and these extra processes are just a burden. > > Hence, there's no perfect browser. If you want clean reading of the most > pages in nicely anti-aliased fonts (use Microsoft Webfonts TrueType > bundle), complete control of your privacy, and you do not mind all the > extra processes -- use Konqueror. For the pages that do not render > correctly in Konqueror raise Mozilla or Galeon. Those are about the reasons why i use mozilla, galeon, netscape and opera *sigh* :) > If you do not mind having JavaScript and/or Java enabled/disabled all > the time and do not care for anti-aliasing use Mozilla or Galeon. > > Print from Konqueror only. :-) > > Notice that each one of them can be better choice then Opera for quite a > few sites (e.g. banks) that refuse to work with anything but IE and > Netscape. Mozilla/Galeon/Konqueror pass as Netscape, Opera gets > refused. > > Finally this might not save you the burden of using linuxbase since most > of the plugins (flash 5.0, realplayer 8.0) are available for Linux but > not for *BSD. I thank you for your browser-defence :) -- Jochem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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