From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 15 11:32:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81438257A4A for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 20.100@defert.com) Received: from 2.mo177.mail-out.ovh.net (2.mo177.mail-out.ovh.net [178.33.109.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48KSls2pZTz487v for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:32:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 20.100@defert.com) Received: from player726.ha.ovh.net (unknown [10.110.115.143]) by mo177.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F04811510D for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:23:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from defert.com (ip-146-0-189-108.dyn.luxfibre.pt.lu [146.0.189.108]) (Authenticated sender: 20.100@defert.com) by player726.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45666F52FE97 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:23:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 15329127235822880772 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrjedvgdeftdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucehtddtnecunecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomhepgghinhgtvghnthcufffghffgtffvuceovddtrddutddtseguvghfvghrthdrtghomheqnecukfhppedtrddtrddtrddtpddugeeirddtrddukeelrddutdeknecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhpqdhouhhtpdhhvghlohepphhlrgihvghrjedviedrhhgrrdhovhhhrdhnvghtpdhinhgvtheptddrtddrtddrtddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpedvtddruddttdesuggvfhgvrhhtrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepfhhrvggvsghsugdqqhhuvghsthhiohhnshesfhhrvggvsghsugdrohhrgh X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48KSls2pZTz487v X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=defert.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 20.100@defert.com designates 178.33.109.80 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=20.100@defert.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[108.189.0.146.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ptr:mail-out.ovh.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[defert.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[80.109.33.178.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(0.71)[ipnet: 178.32.0.0/15(1.50), asn: 16276(2.07), country: FR(0.00)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:178.32.0.0/15, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:32:42 -0000 IMO, the real problem with systemd has nothing to do with the supposed mental disorder affecting its developer, but with the fact that systemd control the behavior of all system services and this is what has made me look for alternatives to Linux. A very concrete example: the DHCP client of a machine doesn't behave the same way with or without systemd. When run without systemd (e.g under Devuan), the DHCP client honors all the features described in the standard. When run under the control of systemd (e.g under Debian), it just takes the IP address, netmask and gateway from the DHCP server. Simply stated, the behavior of a machine under the control of systemd is no longer predictable, you have to forget standards and RFCs and learn the systemd way.