From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 17 15:27:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37BB1188 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x233.google.com (mail-qc0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3E1D1E9B for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id i8so5056464qcq.10 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:27:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=KNKqK3MsfZM+XJr/ihtUeUT5fNdIdthQGojwv2++GA4=; b=FWRXxrDVzeyX8i2qWkBa2e82mc3JmKtW/fKdR0byXGDp0MuVM1K8JG8RG0DAnFFRny UFGrpNO3jSxyEvQxjyZdaM12F0h6yYEzOxGv+wCNBsjqkz2rg2nkD2WGxQhMW594tuAr vuqd5vUoQ6Wq01re8wLNhRMwhl3U6pgbpZ5odG7S5QggRxLmt4hSZ3FYhXL/2Yua0T71 +4vyG66MtFlD4B/0pn9TyZE5Fmu8O68xT/qAbKVBxZqO6mZnExB6chMZiexiLCPGGWHN aheePmz07c5owMA8ZEEAnhKGUNzZzT0UavnYUxyGLePPphaw5Ho3Xdjd7tlNg1i5FirB jtlw== X-Received: by 10.229.53.68 with SMTP id l4mr43497102qcg.21.1387294056924; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:27:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.23.136 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 07:26:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20131216154458.GP1446@glenbarber.us> <20131217123420.GJ1446@glenbarber.us> <20131217130311.GL1446@glenbarber.us> <20131217145355.86518495d462e3d985065c47@mimar.rs> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:26:56 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10.0-RC2 Now Available To: Royce Williams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: freebsd-stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:27:38 -0000 On 17 December 2013 18:22, Royce Williams wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Marko Cupa=C4=87 = wrote: > > I admit my addiction to constant source updating, customizing and > > rebuilding kernel, rebuilding world, updating ports tree and rebuilding > > outdated ports, or sometimes all the ports. For this purpose I have my > > work laptop, and I use it mostly as a playground for testing. > > This is like tinkering with a hobby car: if it's what you enjoy doing, > or if you need features or performance not provided by a "stock" car, > then you should do it. (Except for rebuilding outdated ports; that's > more like changing your oil.) > > > However, for maintenance of my production servers I am very glad that > > freebsd-update exists. > > Amen! This is like avoiding tinkering with your primary commuting car > (or your partner's car!): you need reliability, not the overhead and > instability of tinkering. Actually, since freebsd-update helps you > stay patched so easily, it's more like switching from doing your own > car maintenance to having your own NASCAR pit crew. :-) > > Taken together, buildworld and freebsd-update are each essential in > their own way for many admins. > > Also -- Odhiambo, freebsd-update doesn't have to clobber your kernel. > There are many options in /etc/freebsd-update.conf that let you > precisely control what is updated. See 'man freebsd-update.conf' for > details. > > Royce > Royce, What happens when I have a new world with an old kernel? No pain?? Well, I was so much used to buildworld/buildkernel that when I am told the buildkernel is not necessary, I kinda fear - probably fear on something that doesn't bite. --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."