From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 18 16:17:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C9E37B401 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org [64.239.180.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F2243E65 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:17:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8INGX118375; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org) Message-Id: <200209182316.g8INGX118375@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Terry Lambert , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stolen BSD code found in Linux kernel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:16:28 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan writes: > Dave Hayes wrote: >> >> >> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html >> >> >> >> >> >> That says it all, to me. > [...] >> These statistics aren't wildly inaccurate, just inaccurate. There's >> some information there. There's a relationship there. > > That does not "say it all." Um, this was Terry-bait, not Rahul-bait. > I'm willing to believe the statistics are totally accurate, in the > sense that those particular machines do indeed have those particular > uptimes. The point is, it would be moronic to base any sort of > decision on those statistics, given Whether you consider it moronic or not does not make it moronic. =) In other words, even though I might agree that it would not be a good idea to base any decision on those statistics, I wouldn't call it "moronic" in public unless I was trying for an effect. The "says it all" is a similar sort of effect. It brings out a certain type of response, it is a litmus test for a certain manner of interacting with the world. Here's another: There is a significant amount of BSD on that list. The list measures some uptimes of a set of operating systems. Of that set, BSD clearly beats the rest of them, whatever they are. > (c) the fact that the sysadmins involved apparently never upgrade their > software -- many of those machines seem to be running > antique versions of Apache with known security holes. (Possibly > they've patched the holes without upgrading. Then again, possibly > not.) This is something I also noticed. I agree with you, and it could be a potential hit list for script kiddies. > There are lots of very good reasons to advocate BSD. This uptime list > isn't one. Well, isn't that special. =) So. Mind relating what -you- think are some good reasons then? Negation with no replacement is...being like Terry. ;) ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< A king who feared wasps once decreed that they would be abolished. As it happened, they did him no harm. But he was eventually stung to death by scorpions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message