From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 4 05:11:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A590C106570A; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daichi@ongs.co.jp) Received: from natial.ongs.co.jp (natial.ongs.co.jp [202.216.246.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508978FC28; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daichi@ongs.co.jp) Received: from parancell.ongs.co.jp (dullmdaler.ongs.co.jp [202.216.246.94]) by natial.ongs.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D9BF125422; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:11:16 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <49AE0D73.1060409@ongs.co.jp> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:11:15 +0900 From: Daichi GOTO User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maho NAKATA References: <49A77F4A.2080508@ongs.co.jp> <20090303.164219.48483570.chat95@mac.com> <49AD03C0.7080707@ongs.co.jp> <20090303.205521.193732154.chat95@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <20090303.205521.193732154.chat95@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: java@freebsd.org, glewis@FreeBSD.org, toshi@ruby.ocn.ne.jp, leafy7382@gmail.com, jkim@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Japanese font conf for JDK16 to use IPA font X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:11:18 -0000 I know all that all you know. It's correct. But our talk has a difference in awareness, you know? I am talking about *A fontconfig.properties patch file in Ports Collection (java/jdk16, java/openjdk6)*, you are talking about *Back porting to OpenJDK6 original src tree*, right? I believe that JDK16/OpenJDK6 default japanese font setting of *PORTS COLLECTION* should be IPA font. And setting default japanese font to VLgothic of *OpenJDK6 original src* is not best but validness. (JIMO, there should be any kind of fontconfig.properties of *OpenJDK6 original src*. ex, OS depends setting (fontconfig.FreeBSD.properties, fontconfig.Ubuntu.properties, fontconfig.OpenSolaris.properties, ...), font depend setting (fontconfig.properties-bitstream, fontconfig.properties-vl, ...) or something like that. Variation is important. Bacause user can use valid font config for their platform just copying a file if it has just suited). At last, I say again. I am talking about Ports Collection only. You are talking about back porting to OpenJDK6 original src, right? Maho NAKATA wrote: > Hi > > From: Daichi GOTO > Subject: Re: Japanese font conf for JDK16 to use IPA font > Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:17:36 +0900 > >> Maho NAKATA wrote: >>> Daichi san >>> Sorry for changing my mind...this is just suggestion. >>> IPA font is good but license is too restrictive. >> NO. That is old information. Please check latest IPAfont license. >> We can use it as default font right now I guess. > > Yes, I have checked the new one :) > For me, "free" means we can also redistribute modified fonts; > like IPA-mona-font http://www.geocities.jp/ipa_mona/ , > M+ IPA font http://mix-mplus-ipa.sourceforge.jp/download.html > and IPA fonts from FreeBSD ports (actually this is M+IPA font). > > Note that they still employes older licence, because newer license has > restrictive clauses (第3条1). > >>> VLGothic is free font and ubuntu uses as user interface font. >>> Fallback to VLGothic may useful for some environment. >> NO. I do not think so. >> >> Ubuntu use VLGothic as default Japanese font since license issue, >> yes I know that. (JFYI, PC-BSD use it as default Japanese/Chinese >> font too, because of 1CD size limitation.) But it is lead by >> Ubuntu *BINARY PACKAGE SITUATION* and their license policy, that is >> not affected to Ports Collection of FreeBSD. > > This part is correct. However, please aware that IPA font set is > not a free one. Policies can be different between Linux distributions; > Fedora won't be shipped with IPA fonts nor Ubuntu, etc. Situation is > quite different from gcc; almost every distribution can include gcc, > because it is a free software. > it's okay but may result incompatibility issue. > >> So I believe that IPA font should be used as default Japanese >> fonts on most situation, at least by Ports Collection. >> How do you make of that? > > It depends. If you and colleagues want to use FreeBSD, that's okay. > However if you work with other people who use Linux, it could result > some conflict. In any case, if there is a Windows or MacOSX guy, > we cannot avoid conflict :) > > At least VLgothic is a free one, and the worst case, it would be better > to have a fallback to VLgothic if IPA font is not present. > > Best > -- Nakata Maho http://accc.riken.jp/maho/ , http://ja.openoffice.org/ > Nakata Maho's PGP public keys: http://accc.riken.jp/maho/maho.pgp.txt -- Daichi GOTO, http://people.freebsd.org/~daichi