Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 03:11:11 +0800 From: "Derek Barrett" <derekbarrett@graffiti.net> To: <sporner@nentec.de> Cc: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Another long post sorry! Message-ID: <20020621191111.18718.qmail@graffiti.net>
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Andy, I like your style, and I agree with most of what you have said. You seem determined to make a difference, and that's what is needed on this project, since as you say, getting the approval of the higher ups just isn't possible. One thing I've learned quickly in my young life is sometimes it's better not to ask, and just do it. Seems like that's where you are going on this one. And what boggles me is that this is a feature that alot of people would really kill for. I am so surprised there is nothing in place to date! At my first job, we would get angry calls from clients, because the documentation they were using was over 3 years old! So their client software wasn't working. We were server guys, and this was taking us away from handling server issues, and making clients really angry because they had no direction for installing (what should have been) a simple Windows client! I hounded my boss so many times that we had an updated document to send out, if we could just send it out, that would cut down our calls by 90%. My boss would not do it because of politics, he didn't want to upset the department that had written that document 3 years ago. (And wouldn't even ask them if we could help update it). We gave him the nickname, "blocker." After a while I just stopped asking, and started emailing the thing out anyway! You know what? Clients stopped calling us with problems! I think you have chosen the right place for your project, because I think I've seen maybe 2 posts last month, none the month before that. So this place is ripe for leadership and initiative, without too many overlords and naysayers to shoot it down before it gets started. I've been hoping to help out on freebsd for some time now, maybe this can be a good project. I'm especially interested in the documentation side. Good job Andy! Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Sporner <sporner@nentec.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:33:20 +0200 To: Derek Barrett <derekbarrett@graffiti.net> Subject: Re: Application cluster (long post sorry). > Derek Barrett wrote: > > >Glad to see you are enthusiatic about this, and it looks like > >you have some possible help too. > > > >One of the weaknesses of the freebsd community as I have seen, > >and some of the guys who left the core have commented on, > >is that the community seems to spend MORE time on debating > >theory and shooting each other down rathar than actually > >going out and prototyping something. > > > I agree, but I have come to the basic understanding that most of the > main posters are not really very nice people. There are a few > exceptions, but I wrote to about a dozen of the "big wigs" and to > date have recieved no replies after a retrying many times. I was > so frustrated that I even wrote to Jordan Hubbard (and I did get > a response--though it was more or less a justification of the way > things were). My basic conclusion is that the people making the > decisions seem to want to deal with the same community of people > that they always have and that new people are relegated as "kids" > no matter how long they might have been in the Corporate world > (where such participation is nearly impossible because of > Intellectual Property agreements) doing more advanced things. > It seems that the only way to "rock your way" onto the stage is > to do something really big. I don't see much of that kind of thing > left anymore in the mainstream that these people don't already > have ownership of. > > I realize there *ARE* a lot of newcomers (real newbies) > --but if the project is to have some merit and grow--one > *MUST* welcome new blood and only in these situations can > a project leap forward as I hope this effort will. New people > are valuable because they question the authority and cause > people to think in ways they never thought before and sometimes > this causes a watershed effect that makes possible major leaps > forward. They have a cost--certainly, but overall, I think it > is very much a worthwhile expense. > > I have absolutely no problem with the basic concept of anarchy, > as long as teamwork is preserved. I don't consider my work > the "holy grail" but instead material for discussion and a starting > point. The problem I see is that people don't want to discuss > on the main list--at least with me. > > One of the things I have come to really appreciate working > abroad is the whole awareness of "Mobbing". It isn't the same > meaning as we had in the USA where you see a famous person > and suddenly they are surrounded--but quite the opposite. It > is when people are systematically stripped of ability to impact > their place in their working situation--they get excluded > because they didn't play the office politics correctly. > > Having a heart problem with high blood pressure, I decided that > it wasn't worth my time and frustration any longer to remain > in anything that causes stress levels to rise. Leaving the main > list has satisfied this. One can only change what is within ones > reach. > > Happily this situation seems like the way things *should* be and > yes I am eagerly looking forward to see how things progress. It > might take the little splinters of small groups to reinstate the values > that made such projects as FreeBSD fun in the first place. > > So perhaps all this being said, "Let's really rock this place". Look > for a post of code in the Monday timeframe (no internet at home > in the moment--and this account is at work). > > For backup purposes I can also be reached at 'asporner@yahoo.com' > > I realize that some people might consider at least part of my name > as grounds to eliminate it from their reading list (for those not as > alert 'porn'). I even read that a 'sporner' is one who distributes > spam porn! If I were motivated I think this might make a very > good court case and I might even be able to retire. I had a fight with > espn sports over my login name (the same is true with grafiti) because > it was considered illegal. I was told to change my name--which > sounds an awefull lot like discrimination. If computers are to save > us from ourselves --they should be flexible. I told the systems > people to look at 'www.switchboard.com' and put the name in-- > it's legal. > > OK I guess starting next week we can get this thing off. I will > post separately what is missing and what should probably be > added. > > Sorry for the long post > > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message
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