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Date:      Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:09:11 +0000
From:      Frank Shute <>
To:        Matthew Seaman <>
Subject:   Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation?
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 11:44:07AM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 2016/11/18 10:32, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:35:36 -0300, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote:
> >> Can this be?  Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation?
> > 
> > They are prividing a certain sum of money, and that amount
> > makes them a platinum member, not more, not less. Basically
> > anoyone who donates $500,000 annually can be a platinum member
> > of The Linux Foundation. In case of MICROS~1, this is probably
> > an attempt to re-gain "developers' share", a facet of "the
> > new MICROS~1" thathopes people forget security nightmares,
> > forced updates, patent extortion and vendor lock-in... but
> > who really knows what happens inside MICROS~1... ;-)
> Actually, Microsoft's motivation here is Microsoft Azure -- they've
> spend a huge amount of money on datacentres and servers and all the
> other infrastructure required for setting up a global cloud presence,
> and now they are very keen to encourage lots of people to use it (and
> pay them money for the privilege, of course.)

And where did they get that "huge amount of money"? The same place they got
the money for XBox, Nokia, Skype, the Gates' Foundation etc. From abusing the
hell out of their customers with their desktop monopoly.

> Since their principle target market is the Enterprise, and they aim to
> be able to migrate just about any Enterprise computing system from
> dedicated hardware to their cloud, that means they need to support just
> about all of the different OSes that a variety of different Enterprise
> setups could be using.  So they now support a lot of OpenSource OSes.
> Which includes both FreeBSD 10.x and pfsense by the way -- as well as
> all the usual Linux suspects.
> Oh, and when I say 'support' that means that you can phone up Microsoft
> about your FreeBSD or pfsense related problems on your Azure VMs, and
> Microsoft are contractually obliged to help you out.  

What if this wonderful "support" consists of some poor guy in India reading
from a script? I am of course going to take Microsoft on in court for breach of

> They did a presentation about all this at the last BSDCan.  Plus there are
> two FreeBSD src committers who work for Microsoft, and who are doing a lot
> of work making sure the Hyper-V drivers etc. are all working and performant.
> There have been reports of a FreeBSD VM on azure achieving 37 Gb/s on 40
> Gb/s hardware for instance.

I'm glad to hear that FreeBSD is performing so well for them.

I remember reading somewhere of WhatsApp servicing over 2 million concurrent
connections on one FreeBSD box; the app being written in some dialect of
Erlang IIRC.

The guy who built WhatsApp bunged the FreeBSD Foundation a million bucks when
he cashed out, by way of thanks.

Perhaps you could remind me of how much money Microsoft have given us?

The way this Azure business has happened, has not given me much confidence in
the future of FreeBSD.

The way I found out about it, was by reading an article on The Register
quoting some delusional nonsense from some Microsoft manager who played fast
and loose with the name: FreeBSD(tm).

I thought I'd have a look at what the Foundation had to say about it on their
site. Nothing.

I checked to see if Microsoft had made any monetary contribution to the
Foundation for dragging our trademark through the mud. Nothing.

Fact: I've made a greater monetary contribution to FreeBSD whilst on social
security than the multi-billion Microsoft Corp ever has.

What really annoyed me though was when about 4 ENs came through to me from
announce@ a few months ago informing me about the interesting ways 10.3 would
shit itself on Azure.

That might be of interest to the 2 people who are retarded enough to run
FreeBSD on Azure but to my mind it was an abuse of ENs/announce@.

> Microsoft in its aspect as the global cloud computing company is really
> quite different from Microsoft in its aspect as the PC desktop operating
> system company.

I disagree with you, Matthew. It's just another cheek of the same arse.

Their MO has always been "How can we make more money by abusing our
monopoly?". Never like an honest company who say "Let's make life better for
our existing & potential customers and profit is sure to follow".

IMO, if they can find their way to giving the Linux Foundation half a million
then they should do the same for the FreeBSD Foundation.

Although, I'd prefer FreeBSD had nothing to do with a bunch of criminals, to
be honest.

> 	Cheers,
> 	Matthew




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