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Date:      Sat, 2 May 2020 08:45:23 +0200
From:      Christoph Kukulies <kuku@kukulies.org>
To:        Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
Cc:        Yuri Pankov <ypankov@fastmail.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: VirtualBox binary not existing
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> Am 02.05.2020 um 06:37 schrieb Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>:
>=20
> On Fri, 1 May 2020 18:09:53 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>> I was used to use sh (Bourne sh) under root 21 years ago. So I
>> switched it back from csh to sh.
>> Wondering why they switched to csh anyway. It is a tastelessness. ;)
>=20
> On FreeBSD, the C shell has been the default dialog shell
> for all users, even for root, at least since 4.0. The
> Bourne shell (equivalent on FreeBSD: ash) is only used
> for two purposes by default:
>=20
> 	a) in single-user mode, and
>=20
> 	b) for scripting.
>=20
> I wonder _why_ your root account has been switched from
> using csh to sh as dialog shell... that's not the default

Me did it :)

> setting... Just for fun I recently installed FreeBSD 4.5

Probably it was before 4.0 (got to dig out a FreeBSD 2.0 CD, or a set of =
386BSD diskettes :)=20


> (what a convenient and flawless experience, compared to,
> okay, I will shut up right away), and root's shell is the
> C shell. Per default.
>=20
> However, I fully agree that the C shell is very selective
> in which users it attracts. I'm using it for dialog work,
> since 4.0, and I even _prefer_ it over bash in a very few
> aspects. However, for developing one-liners that could
> grow into real scripts, I use bash (better dialog behaviour
> than sh). Decades ago, I even wrote one (as a number: 1)
> script in C shell, and I really can not recommend following
> my example. ;-)
>=20
> The only thing I do in plain sh is starting csh or bash.
> I also use zsh and ksh from time to time on other systems,
> so I get a good impression at "who is good with what".
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Polytropon
> Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, =E2=80=A6=E2=80=94

=E2=80=94
Christoph





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