From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 00:05:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658655B804F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [64.246.134.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2yZX5HFyz3PTk for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:05:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h4lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9335571A78E for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h4lix.wtfayla.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10822-01 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net (h4lix.wtfayla.net [64.246.134.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h4lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27E8671A789 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Fongaboo X-X-Sender: fongaboo@h4lix.wtfayla.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2yZX5HFyz3PTk X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com designates 64.246.134.154 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[64.246.134.154:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.246.134.154]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[64.246.134.154:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fongaboo.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22302, ipnet:64.246.132.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:05:41 -0000 I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have time to pour through it all. If I'm off-base and out of context, please forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience: After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs to be properly maintained. I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, Postfixadmin & Roundcube. If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm willing to share my walkthroughs. Fong On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote: > With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of > FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s > unfortunate inability to squash bug > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666, l am left > with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system > that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other > utilities. > > -- > Jerry > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 00:23:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751655B892F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2yyf4y5dz3Qgs for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2yyc2gRtzDqJb for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:23:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616286184; bh=hkZ5upvImhN5rNj1vJGyXusTMATsZmAnG/exs7bEIWc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=NEv9pb29ShrfPe5Gg6ZirnVjh2EOw8TWQyatlkcVytJKfzTGaUmDhtjqm4/3Oyumu INlQlzpxLpZD9KaIj4MwmwaQ6ihOgXnJDK3VUOMrd1Rg7rInowM7L3/aK6Ul0t1Jj+ Ysy3f2E+gpAIDFdF9XKQinnvt++jq7uadSqiFFOI= X-Riseup-User-ID: 56559BD12EECEE086A277BC367430079BC7660DC290EA634C0E576B954A9A6C5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F2yyc1VXYz1yBB for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:23:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:23:04 -0700 From: Weaver To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64237deaa306d2fc2c9ea41e916395b9@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2yyf4y5dz3Qgs X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=NEv9pb29; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of weaver@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=weaver@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 00:23:07 -0000 On 21-03-2021 10:05, Fongaboo wrote: > I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be > wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have > time to pour through it all. If I'm off-base and out of context, > please forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience: > > After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD > colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs > to be properly maintained. > > I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and > is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just > completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, > Postfixadmin & Roundcube. > > If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm > willing to share my walkthroughs. > > > Fong > > > On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote: > >> With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of >> FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s >> unfortunate inability to squash bug >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666, l am left >> with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system >> that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other >> utilities. Plus 1 I run Debian unstable on a production machine, and it's far more stable than any Windows box. I wouldn't be using it to run my business otherwise. Use the stable release for servers, and it's hard to go wrong. In the apt.sources list enable non-free and contrib. and you will have access to any firmware required for just about anything out there. Very much looking forward to BSD experiences, however. I remember an install of TrueOS when that was still happening, and it was as solid as a rock. The house felt as though it was anchored by it. https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/155392-international-space-station-switches-from-windows-to-linux-for-improved-reliability https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3024 https://www.zdnet.com/article/to-the-space-station-and-beyond-with-linux/ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/gnu-linux-chosen-as-operating-system-of-the-international-space-station https://www.computerweekly.com/blog/Open-Source-Insider/International-Space-Station-adopts-Debian-Linux-drops-Windows-Red-Hat-into-airlock Cheers! Harry -- `The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look on without doing anything'. -- Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 01:17:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA58D5BA04C for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F309k30vyz3js9 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:a238:cff0:91af:a860:b907:eaa2] (unknown [172.58.136.188]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DF4C4E6B3; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:17:40 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:17:38 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <766AC454-804B-492E-B547-E2399C07D0CD@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: To: Fongaboo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F309k30vyz3js9 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.136.188:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:17:47 -0000 > On Mar 20, 2021, at 7:05 PM, Fongaboo = wrote: >=20 >=20 > I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be = wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have time = to pour through it all. If I'm off-base and out of context, please = forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience: >=20 > After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD = colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs to = be properly maintained. >=20 > I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and = is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just completed = a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, = Postfixadmin & Roundcube. If Jerry decides to move that way, your post may help him, so thanks = from Jerry in advance. To balance what you said I just add my experience of opposite move: from = Linux to FreeBSD, and my servers are happily FreeBSD for about a decade. = And that move from Linux to FreeBSD a lot of advantages and solved quite = a number of problems Linux was giving me. But numbercrunchers and = workstations I maintain for the department are Linux (and some = workstations are MacOS, andMS Windows). The search where to flee from Linux began after switch from 2.4 to 2.6 = kernel. Actually some time - over a year - after that, when it became = too annoying: every 45 days on average: either glibc or kernel security = update =3D=3D> reboot. One of my friends started using the word Lindoze = (implying irreverent name of known commercial system requiring reboot = after update which happens often). Search for the system where to flee from Linux took a couple of years. = Open solaris was considered at some point as a candidate. About a time = when Oracle bough out Sun Microsystems. And the joke after that = acquisition was: how do we call their system now? Well, repeat many = times sun-oracle faster and faster, and you will get it right: snorkel. Jokes aside: FreeBSD ended up a choice, and very sound one. It is the = highest used of BSD descendants (I will not count here commercial ones). = Incidentally, Microsoft was once noticed running FreeBSD on a couple of = their servers. Reboots are rare: once or twice a year the most often. = Jails allow easily juggle a bunch of small servers (each being a jail on = a machine hosting 10-20 jails). Some of the servers do not even exists = as an individual system: they are composed of several jails, each = running one (or few inseparable) services; people can ssh to the server, = they appear just in separate jail where no other services (except for = sshd) run. And the list of conveniences goes on. I hope this helps to balance Fongaboo=E2=80=99s post ;-) Valeri > If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm = willing to share my walkthroughs. >=20 >=20 > Fong >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote: >=20 >> With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of >> FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s >> unfortunate inability to squash bug >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D237666, l am left >> with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system >> that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other >> utilities. >> --=20 >> Jerry >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 01:44:55 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6211C5BA8AD for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au [203.41.22.115]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2560 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au", Issuer "Heuristic Systems Type 4 Host CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F30n06WtHz3lSf for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:44:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from [10.0.5.3] (noddy.hs [10.0.5.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 12L1hLMg079746 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:43:22 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=heuristicsystems.com.au; s=hsa; t=1616291002; x=1616895803; bh=D/sCbUJT8EOaMGgvbkYgyu8ML5sDfgDVdwgX3heQyww=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date; b=Bu4kxlwBclljikgCp8RccM0mGochDzHpZjrxc9m8QcQrypE8TXfJ/VIMit1iHdlz2 d2gPCWOsvAMLI8n6iF95dxjVWDiJReBS1I+qBpDB5NP9l65H5B+uVx808ZyyUo1ZD4 N4zky0F3Arnca8cIEDOFVmW2w9702RfYvnEaH8VGdIBwg857F7ZYr X-Authentication-Warning: b3.hs: Host noddy.hs [10.0.5.3] claimed to be [10.0.5.3] From: Dewayne Geraghty To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: IPSEC loosing camellia in IPSEC on FreeBSD13? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:42:18 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F30n06WtHz3lSf X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=heuristicsystems.com.au header.s=hsa header.b=Bu4kxlwB; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au designates 203.41.22.115 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dewayne@heuristicsystems.com.au X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[203.41.22.115:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1221, ipnet:203.40.0.0/13, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[heuristicsystems.com.au:s=hsa]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[heuristicsystems.com.au]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:44:55 -0000 For those that skim release notes, https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/relnotes/ I noticed that FreeBSD13 drops from IPSEC: - some integrity checks as well as blowfish, cast128, des, des3 & variants AND camellia. From my stable/12 "man setkey" this leaves ciphers: null, aes-cbc, aes-ctr and aes-gcm16. Apparently the reason is that it wasn't mentioned in RFC8221, while section 1.2 states "As a result, any algorithm listed at the IPsec IANA registry that is not mentioned in this document MAY be implemented." it goes on to explain what must not be used. (Camellia is not part of that list) Camellia does appear in the IANA registry https://www.iana.org/assignments/isakmp-registry/isakmp-registry.xhtml#isakmp-registry-9 Can anyone help me to understand why camellia should be removed? On a purely number of rounds basis, camellia is better. Both AES and camellia use S boxes, camellia uses 18 rounds for 128b keys and 24 rounds on 192 and 256 bit keys, while commercial/public AES-128 uses 10 rounds and AES-256 14 rounds. FreeBSD is better by having more choice of ciphers and somewhat ahead of the pack (rfc4312 (Camellia use with ipsec)). Ref: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=16aabb761c0a PS And yes I use IPSEC with camellia between FreeBSD boxes and I was planning on upgrading some old internet facing systems. Twofish would be better ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 02:42:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4A55BBD9E for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F323Q5Y0zz3p0f for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 12L2gLrT003566 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Adding /usr/src using freebsd-update Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Sat, 20 Mar 2021 22:42:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F323Q5Y0zz3p0f X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:42:27 -0000 My motivation for wanting to do this is basically because updating 11.3-->12.2 broke my Lenovo Ideapad. This is a "well known" and apparently has a workaround but I could not find a combination that worked following the very helpful suggestion out of the X11 mailing list or google. What did work was 13.0-RC2. Out of the box following UPDATING and pkg notes. Whatever the issue was it was obviously complex involving the interaction of several components in Xorg, FreeBSD and whether or nor EFI booting was used. All except the last one are perfectly obvious. I only mention this as background for why not use git or subversion (for a while anyway). The fix required that kernel sources be available. On the Lenovo that happened not to be a problem. On another laptop I did not have /usr/src so freebsd-update did not add/update it and I saw no option to add /usr/src. The conf file apparently says take care of it if it is there. On my HP no /usr/src. I did a package add for git adding 32 required packages and the installed failed to deliver a working git command. So on to subversion with similar results. This with 12.2. As I had already updated to 12.2 and it was working I removed all packages, copied a 12.1 /usr/src from another server and did a fetch. This added in the files new to 12.2 and did report doing anything else, so I rather doubt this is a "good" version of the src tree. All of the above for my real question. since I had a number of 11.3 /usr/src trees, if I had just added that before doing an upgrade I think that will work. Correct? _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 03:07:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4305BC688 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F32bs6GWJz3qY2 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.137.96]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB1C74E678; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 21:57:25 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Adding /usr/src using freebsd-update From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 21:57:23 -0500 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Doug Denault X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F32bs6GWJz3qY2 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.61 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.137.96:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[172.58.137.96:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.82)[0.825]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.63)[-0.626]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.81)[0.811]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:07:06 -0000 > On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:42 PM, Doug Denault wrote: >=20 > My motivation for wanting to do this is basically because updating = 11.3-->12.2 broke my Lenovo Ideapad. This is a "well known" and = apparently has a workaround but I could not find a combination that = worked following the very helpful suggestion out of the X11 mailing list = or google. What did work was 13.0-RC2. Out of the box following UPDATING = and pkg notes. Whatever the issue was it was obviously complex involving = the interaction of several components in Xorg, FreeBSD and whether or = nor EFI booting was used. All except the last one are perfectly obvious. = I only mention this as background for why not use git or subversion (for = a while anyway). >=20 > The fix required that kernel sources be available. On the Lenovo that = happened not to be a problem. On another laptop I did not have /usr/src = so freebsd-update did not add/update it and I saw no option to add = /usr/src. The conf file apparently says take care of it if it is there. Did you try to use svn? Something in lines svn co https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/12.2 /usr/src (confessing: I=E2=80=99m lazy guy, and about a week or so ago I still = used svn, successfully). > On my HP no /usr/src. I did a package add for git adding 32 required = packages and the installed failed to deliver a working git command. So = on to subversion with similar results. This with 12.2. >=20 > As I had already updated to 12.2 and it was working I removed all = packages, copied a 12.1 /usr/src from another server and did a fetch. = This added in the files new to 12.2 and did report doing anything else, = so I rather doubt this is a "good" version of the src tree. >=20 > All of the above for my real question. since I had a number of 11.3 = /usr/src trees, if I had just added that before doing an upgrade I think = that will work. Correct? >=20 I would just move existing /usr/src off the way (rename) and pull fresh = new of the release you need (say, using svn command if git doesn=E2=80=99t= work on that machine for whatever reason). 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TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sumeritec.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[185.201.17.92:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[185.201.17.92:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[185.201.17.92:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:38:49 -0000 Hi, I did not go through the full thread. So, this might be already said. Did you consider ZFS? It should be possible meanwhile to have ZFS on Linux. It is the plan to make pools usable on both operating systems. The idea would be to create three partitions. Two small one for the '/' of the operating systems and a huge one which will be shared. Erich On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 21:36:15 -0600 Duke Normandin wrote: > I want to install both FreeBSD and a Linux distro on an ASUS laptop > that I just upgraded with a 1T HDD. > > I'm not sure how to proceed for a 50-50 split the HDD storage. > 2 equal Primary partitions? First one gets Freebsd; the 2nd left > unused until I install a Linux distro? > > OR - do I have to dedicate the 2nd to some filesystem when I install > FreeBSD? > > Any advise, suggestions, heads-ups, will be most appreciated! 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It's not just the far greater number of > partitions that makes it superior, it's the ability to use partition > labels regardless of what the partition contains. If you're > multibooting it's so much easier having device names > like /dev/gpt/fbsdroot in your /etc/fstab rather than having to > remember which partition number you used. Thanks for the clarification! Acronyms; synonyms; antonyms; close-but-not-quite-nyms! It all gets a bit confusing after awhile! LOL -- Duke Normandin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 08:19:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639E556B1EE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F39XH4R85z4b82 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F39XD611TzDqMS for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:19:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616314764; bh=CLuOLS0ZBaQy0m2LBFGMrk+YSab3rLmESft3NPe2tLU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=YxcF3TXjAxWhbjwgUWMS8v/BW9kS3+GD6xIr9aHDhqHe8WlVYpAbj3oIF8/icU0+i Icmu8R2s9/0HXKd0e/+Ma3BNmaFORj6kyEmGx6VuXx4qzQWH2FSHRmza0QFj7mPufq UT42dd8094LGcL7IIYtas4z0uADi12Kw8DMe/wZA= X-Riseup-User-ID: 414F3776555B324E593D61B18BAB5665B803263AD3DB78C12441C899717E0487 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F39XD1TSjz1xmR for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:19:23 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning 1T HDD Message-ID: <20210321091923.5c24553a@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210321033913.1983b203.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> References: <20210317213615.7e1443af@antix1> <20210321033913.1983b203.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F39XH4R85z4b82 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=YxcF3TXj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.56 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.960]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:19:28 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:39:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >I did not go through the full thread. So, this might be already said. > >Did you consider ZFS? It should be possible meanwhile to have ZFS on >Linux. https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-March/293383.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 20 17:05:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0145AEEEF for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@fongaboo.com) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net (helix.wtfayla.net [64.246.134.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2nFn03f0z4m0K for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@fongaboo.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h4lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D029259CF85 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h4lix.wtfayla.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98749-05 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h4lix.wtfayla.net (h4lix.wtfayla.net [64.246.134.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h4lix.wtfayla.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6173F59CF82 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Fongaboo X-X-Sender: fongaboo@h4lix.wtfayla.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> Message-ID: References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2nFn03f0z4m0K X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@fongaboo.com designates 64.246.134.154 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@fongaboo.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[64.246.134.154:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.246.134.154]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[64.246.134.154:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fongaboo.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22302, ipnet:64.246.132.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:17:38 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:05:33 -0000 I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have time to pour through it. If I'm off-base and out of context, please forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience: After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs to be properly maintained. I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, Postfixadmin & Roundcube. If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm willing to share my walkthroughs. Fong On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote: > With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of > FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s > unfortunate inability to squash bug > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666, l am left > with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system > that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other > utilities. > > -- > Jerry > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 10:41:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6CF56F464 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:41:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Dgh2WF6z4jyJ for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ec34bfec for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:41:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b7367833 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:41:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id be515e14 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:41:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 5b33f055 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:41:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:40:56 -0400 From: LuMiWa To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: new install Message-ID: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Dgh2WF6z4jyJ X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:41:05 -0000 Hi! I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few questions, please: Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD and OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security boot is enabled. I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than enough and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay that I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And secure boot should be disabled too? Thank you. --=20 =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and l= ess and less meaning.=E2=80=9D Jean Baudrillard From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 11:01:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F52D56FE91 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3F701t0mz4kx6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:01:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3F6y1bRpzDsWp for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616324474; bh=WM9KqOtB7JdAmCt5IEYkvkEwUqPK150PX4WVaYRaQ3M=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=MEMiUT+I9DJrNXcyBwtZOjB+IgWblgEoujtR4O+eOwvpgYkaBjJSx0OQVE8ijgY+G EC4GBQFAheqDhh+fTdapLDj/mHkTfrWpk/U5UC+qGGU+FibTqnGnbeW+VyucSNQTDo ogWGcbQe9mvmv3XDkZHNDxd6KGRtY/bwLphZWYUY= X-Riseup-User-ID: D1DEFC96B5D4BC4BEC98414E28A1D751D33416F73135F0DAF456BD46729698BD Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3F6x3xv4z5vNG for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:01:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3F701t0mz4kx6 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=MEMiUT+I; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:01:17 -0000 On Sat, 2021-03-20 at 13:05 -0400, Fongaboo wrote: > I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be > wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. You are mistaken. A flame war, yes, even Mr. Godwin has been here for a visit, but it isn't an OS-war. It is the classic "if you are not as smart as me, than this is the wrong place for you" dispute. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 11:56:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E5F571CFA for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:56:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohammad@thelightbird.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3GLG0zTgz4nl3 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohammad@thelightbird.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id u10so17552797lju.7 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:56:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3Z46+X8GZ4EkwrQu5Q+Q5/rWPLqxcMyAQ2kvEmFwTqc=; b=kkNKBzLgTMrgurrCvOukmyOSlIztYUgV7O5rjFeVyWXWbbedUwfSGlsxoy3Wb8l5TN K67SMQ15hrxXbZy6JksL7AQXUtdNxaGvuvnJmGNGX3aLaLXBirETSWc18RuV78zOb1RS o8U04tTVcARJXV8RvI9mA2w8DZ9W1GBPRH7rtYEKrE6046EIpxxAJtxqi+RvcaKTXFvB M7F3wn6s3J367Ktk7wOYq/FSmqSwI74zT0zhAJsirvfc43i00wCpo3UdDge0mB15BTcE ifgfFJh0cPoRLgXY0sHOHLwRwxrO4//UiIFCoQMlhkqbQhsuHH//JCPOiiSj/szXXZLf XbFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3Z46+X8GZ4EkwrQu5Q+Q5/rWPLqxcMyAQ2kvEmFwTqc=; b=V2539w1kEgQbM7vTb6/IRLUNTcB/p05zY+mRxvPSE5DaK6usULRG/yJRXKYhsPKlBl YNM0knb+JQeA8tDgE72g99Clrgn/oLaNGMgutsh2aeOnB6h5m0lxI1f0VdbDnBHKo/Th /4mvVj9gOW6id5vZzWh9daqK1H/SjbdtDRRR/WCJ7HLh8EkhAuVLDdgz8Jw41ShLAFOi LNCoxHGudyPTexusQUm9r9Sqq+hBqydw51a6Pmhhy1nPqNGrTXl36CsjdldSC8r27WSq 7BS04esFwY94NX27IfImBZa6RIkMN1hP5COHK2fP1OksVGNI2LdIkVnkGEb/iOgFZSsa gw7A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531L73QsjzrPtGcDwwXo+yiuvQXajnaxns+e1OCju+iRTg0t6OkF SGZ+Q1+q04WEvEEtJnvJnwPRGxL4jCQlqm440Awj8lcXyewtaiY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxJxuoaGmqXTLG0faizbC6vUcETjwcg8VYyBkKl/3+7+cpjJcp47PyUXzsATVFmZdAin3cF2vQHL47ey/rRpq0= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b5b9:: with SMTP id f25mr6544518ljn.90.1616327764164; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 04:56:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: From: Mohammad Noureldin Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:55:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: Jerry Cc: FreeBSD , Tomasz CEDRO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3GLG0zTgz4nl3 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=kkNKBzLg; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mohammad@thelightbird.com does not designate 2a00:1450:4864:20::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mohammad@thelightbird.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[thelightbird.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::232:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[thelightbird-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::232:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::232:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:56:07 -0000 Hi folks, IMO this is not the place to discuss other OS alternatives in place of FreeBSD/*BSD. Not that I have anything against any other OS, but there are other places (mailing lists and/or forums mainly related to those other OSes) which are more suitable to discuss that. Jerry, that does not mean in anyway that you are invited to "shut-up" or "just-to-fuck-off", I believe it has been explained by more than one person that this is not the attitude of this community. Moving forward, following the advice from Tomasz [1], I want to buy a HW on which we can investigate the problem and work on a solution (if possible/if any). Not just that, I want to volunteer to do the work if the fix will require some code changes (possibly in addition to the patches attached already to that PR), but for that I may need guidance and mentor-ship - Tomasz, is it possible that you can help in that respect ? Jerry, from what I've read in [2], the issue is related to 'C610/X99 series chipset' from 'Intel Corporation'. One of the attachments [3], specifically referred to 'Dell XPS 8930'. Is that the same machine on which you are having problems ? Looking forward to your reply [1] - https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2021-March/293464.html [2] - https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666 [3] - https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=213055&action=edit -- Mohammad Noureldin Founder/Owner The Lightbird From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 13:04:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E4A574EE2 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sidney.reilley.ii@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x42a.google.com (mail-pf1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Hs32yhWz4s1w for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sidney.reilley.ii@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id x26so9130496pfn.0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:04:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+zWcwxkU2JWy5zDIerrOMfJ/kgjRXSHHdNAqcuU8ykE=; b=tkq/s6S9vDLHKcAomnbcbc/yhH80l4RYHyyj1RIG4XWDqLK/UY9Pjs/uDXQXSJ9Pxw W7oBqBmJy6Trfx+qYNombZEWUqIb0YWMRfoDc3wPq6Q5o7XY+vAIRXwxK7qMGSrcf/Up 22479Zbs8TSIZdVhBANrECKRiL9rf7dS/vyIqMa7jUy5c84kHUsmiEbme71qjx7in3DF T+F016Kyn4oZbrOZqD7zxQ/kcjMWo2mRNHBuDE3EamwIcFSDHaE91iy3rhBU3EHzO6ml +6DsZNzDJIwsP0fhfCNYN+w1JiD3/b9LmpuiUaQK/P8hFSFWzyqgHqXOcanbv9q5ezIu u7Aw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+zWcwxkU2JWy5zDIerrOMfJ/kgjRXSHHdNAqcuU8ykE=; b=dcxyrLIAuZqkKIkWmkLtPB/V4a67hKndYXqYTP/GO/BG/MMKhGxqDqlbKQlwzMgLTb rad1uwdZNPV1eto+fS9mCcTOapgzJsZ+eakw0vaClC+eSqa8ZriJDxD4f6sAg6/e5fjO dlkV/4WULkJ1HOivJIGvxEYgGZVKVerQTFtP+3+9vIhYEnvJGy6awpbNndUeqFvlb8Wu /OUUd9hm6+yYy0W0r8OIf+gb1u8Ox4gFjBhPp6Oc8MTLHXzPQSuOA9zH80Fms5rA4nnE dz4gZMcbE2qEJtRtDxHQ8knT7mlhMkeiy/zSXt3lWYdbA/wCzQ9mR7lhZkmw72BoHdbF qqGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530V++JZor+inLwULEh20y3WSrFj8xzn0KN+zaVYnP1xXPpkItxx Hrt5FBUbqi0QMl0ssxiHAmNAfqLnFUjwu+Nh X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJySirvZClxn775YQgMPmGlaK2aK5vvaDyfm25CZ4a+9+ERZeJUEUe9kQMCL1UV8urc9/VtIIQ== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:87cb:0:b029:215:3a85:95fb with SMTP id i11-20020aa787cb0000b02902153a8595fbmr6316235pfo.38.1616331861424; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antixbox (node-1w7jr9ydqpxqblsm62c2zjhms.ipv6.telus.net. [2001:56a:7862:e400:16da:e9ff:fe13:6b04]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d14sm10904534pji.22.2021.03.21.06.04.19 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:04:18 -0600 From: Duke Normandin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-Id: <20210321070418.1adf443f8052ea8fd0f57c26@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Hs32yhWz4s1w X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=tkq/s6S9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of sidneyreilleyii@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=sidneyreilleyii@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:04:24 -0000 On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Fongaboo wrote: [snip] > I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and > is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just > completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, > Dovecot, Postfixadmin & Roundcube. > > If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm > willing to share my walkthroughs. [snip] I don't have your level of experience, but I agree with you! I just installed the Debian-based distro antiX. Painless! There could be others of course, but I haven't stumbled on them yet. ;) Now, I need to shrink my 1Tb partition to install FreeBSD. -- Duke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 13:26:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793C0575A91 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3JLJ4Qx4z4tBG for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: LuKreme Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:26:09 -0600 Message-Id: <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (18E5178a) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3JLJ4Qx4z4tBG X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:26:17 -0000 On Mar 20, 2021, at 11:24, Jerry wrote: > Can you provide verifiable proof of that statement relating to the know > defect in the USB controller? I read the big thread. There is a post there about the controller returning a= n out of bounds or invalid ID. That would be a problem, with the controller.= Dell is a company that largely deals with Windows. I=E2=80=99m sure Windows d= oes not care one whit about invalid USB controllers that maybe hijacking you= r hardware, and neither does Dell because 99% of their customers are using w= indows. But here=E2=80=99s the thing. YOU have a problem. You have been given two suggestions on how to mitigate y= our problem, and your response is =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t WANNA!=E2=80=9D W= hich is fine, but then you repeatedly complain about how your problems is no= t solved. It=E2=80=99s no ones job to solve your problem. This is not a comm= on problem. This is an edge case. Sucks, but that=E2=80=99s the way it is. If you want to use Linux, fine, this is NOT the place to ask for suggestions= on what Linux to switch to, because this is not a Linux list, and you askin= g that here comes across as you simply bring a shit-stirrer. If you think compiling a kernel is too hard and you can=E2=80=99t figure out= how/refuse to disable the errant usb in your UEFI, then yes, switching OS i= s another, possible, solution for you. I would not be at all surprised to fi= nd you have problems on current Linux. I would buy a USB3 card ($20?) with a different controller, put that in, and= disable the onboard USB-3, but that=E2=80=99s me. --=20 My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective ways t= o reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 13:38:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2E8576431 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:38:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3JcQ2bKnz4tfQ for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: LuKreme Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:38:24 -0600 Message-Id: References: <7270A6A8-4514-4B61-80AD-7812CC0AEFD7@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <7270A6A8-4514-4B61-80AD-7812CC0AEFD7@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (18E5178a) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3JcQ2bKnz4tfQ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:38:31 -0000 On Mar 20, 2021, at 08:54, Valeri Galtsev wrote:= > In general, to suppress console messages on already installed system, you c= an add to /boot/loader.conf: >=20 > boot_mute=3D"YES" Oh good, I didn=E2=80=99t know this. --=20 My main job is trying to come up with new and innovative and effective ways t= o reject even more mail. I'm up to about 97% now. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 14:42:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A08577DB1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3L2D1FXdz3DN0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3L2B3k5WzDsbk for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:42:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616337746; bh=rvFYvFzFIlMbugVdSKMugrZNmvufL1xrRkzuXd2cIRY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=V0NQ3ZvsyyrK8S1dU7Z9MipxRpQ+aMbFfxtF4pj22Ao8wLbLsC27qte4K6EWJZNH+ +Wx4MTuzFQVvsejwC6gc1ZKXOBANagBva8MAQ5DEzA5X+dB0MKFLHIMhjRYyy8eeBv P2gf7Q2mtgwWZd3CyYSNLZ1Q7yitVDOpxBixiPZU= X-Riseup-User-ID: D657834EAFC5DD1399F4390FCB215B55CBD8681F75CCE2A9A94210EBEF4F9F95 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3L2B0c7Gz5wFZ for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:42:14 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321154214.6912a5ac@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210321070418.1adf443f8052ea8fd0f57c26@gmail.com> References: <20210319101040.00005c35@seibercom.net> <20210321070418.1adf443f8052ea8fd0f57c26@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3L2D1FXdz3DN0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=V0NQ3Zvs; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:42:29 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:04:18 -0600, Duke Normandin wrote: >On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) >Fongaboo wrote: > >[snip] > >> I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and >> is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just >> completed a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, >> Dovecot, Postfixadmin & Roundcube. >> >> If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. >> I'm willing to share my walkthroughs. > >[snip] > >I don't have your level of experience, but I agree with you! I just >installed the Debian-based distro antiX. Painless! There could be >others of course, but I haven't stumbled on them yet. ;) > >Now, I need to shrink my 1Tb partition to install FreeBSD. JFTR for the pros and cons never consider a derivative of a major distro to be equivalent with the distro it is based upon. They are always two very different animals. The main pitfall of Linux is the missing standard. However, since almost all distros prefer the same approach for PID1, upstream of software provides what is needed for this approach and without doubts, upstream knows best how their software needs to be initialised by PID1, so distros tend to stop writing different run control scripts on their own. IOW by all the cons systemd does introduce, it also has got reasonable pros. Something that at first glance apparently is another step away from UNIX, from another point of view can bring back UNIX principles that were lost. It doesn't bring back UNIX to Linux, but gets back closer to the UNIX main idea. Be careful with thinking that something that appears to be more familiar is also closer to a wanted principle. I can't comment on antiX and I don't like systemd very much, but if Linux for what ever reason is a better choice for the needs of a user, it's wise to find out the rational behind steps into directions that appear unpleasant at first view and consider to get used to the supposed inconvenience. You are happy to install Linux without systemd, but you easily could become unhappy as soon as you want to get things done, that require some effort and help from a community or upstream. For Linux systemd is quasi a standard at the moment. It not necessarily does pay off to get rid of the disadvantages caused by systemd, since it might introduce other disadvantages by not using systemd. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 14:56:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEB75781E7 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x32b.google.com (mail-ot1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3LKr65cMz3F3r for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id w21-20020a9d63950000b02901ce7b8c45b4so13398644otk.5 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fgW+iNPdowy/fQH5LgFi12E3djSK5DlVqoGl5dZZ4bU=; b=GNgJYBkoBNwSIA5RMWDV2cyymtsU+6ytxy7xBUT4CUWm+3EaJ3YzZBZi6qOCNZku9o EAVINA8daaSCwS4sYhNg/6D14rhE/fA566ZEwGH5r7OlRGzUxLyxTjkNovi7Z97OXxIL D2bMO81sYfLUaxVEHkagWXtdwQbyUowsZCFPJMJS1AWXTQkOEPxrESYEx167R7MnaE7o C0/q9or7FKQftqaV0BOsDGcPgQxizKopw9W+IidPdKO0ag2kWKre3Py/x2UYUqFLaHQZ uHkWuN/tpzMqtRq58llo0QSGU4/SkOoAOQt03WmeOGg0O/kQaXj7CxR2zktVU5ZIO2D1 hWpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fgW+iNPdowy/fQH5LgFi12E3djSK5DlVqoGl5dZZ4bU=; b=ZX6F/zxOSuyRQ2eW6ffSg/kmTQyk7L+Bk9y6vAwgNJkP+mylV13BZ81WtZVGgXoTfZ 6qWIWEMwdQb3RMTHRHWaDfUpYZ+5qh80ex0fZX6mrKjWeZqC2fPC7Po3qz/O+QWkxvGq lCUAclzZXDUUHL6gGAXVOb/qQUq/YzUllGm2kr9WkYJ+K3D03LMMBb1EynYFnsQ9WCFn lULlwQX0WAdH20IijqjoXZYSfMTT6ESjdwf6QE0cJevKb+fokNUB0GrFx5XccZrSeq8c NePvii9F75Z36q56nMmMSezjlAbWCjuHXZxOunVBHK1Fd4RnonICKpalgUZ+CM+Vc2QY 12vQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532aEQh/hLAOP7bwVDmc7lzewQp1K9k7mDnMfFWFuLaQO1NNiK65 5iqxz57gXFR2gqdbIqTn0fF3AKcBAGgw7iwDTr5ppS3u+dU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwvVnBLHrCJn3HSHwOfNxHOC1YECr/QUKW2pUMptNdpcJISWh8+hoSndO2GUxwhFSu9I/j1oVu2+KpfnSZJflI= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7453:: with SMTP id p19mr3508583otk.271.1616338559386; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:55:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:55:43 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new install To: LuMiWa Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3LKr65cMz3F3r X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=GNgJYBko; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:56:01 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 3:41 AM LuMiWa via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > Hi! > > I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few > questions, please: > Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD and > OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security boot is > enabled. > I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than enough > and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. > Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay that > I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And > secure boot should be disabled too? > > Thank you. > > > -- > =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and= less > and less meaning.=E2=80=9D > > Jean Baudrillard > If you are confident that the Haiku partition will not exceed 5G, I'd use gpart(8) to set up the drive. The order of the partitions is pretty irrelevant, but reserving 5G and then setting the rest up for FreeBSD. You should already have an EFI partition. Just leave it alone. If you wan Windows gone, delete the Windows partitions (usually three of them), and use "gpart add -i 2 -s 5G -t fat32 -l Haiku ada0" or something similar. The label can be anything. If there are spaces in your chosen name, put the name in quotation marks. Finally create your FreeBSD partitions. You can either use all space for a single partition or use a traditional set for root (/), usr, var, tmp, and any others you need. I'd put the swap space immediately after the Haiku partition as, again, you can just specify "gpart add -i 3 -t freebsd-swap -l swap -s ???G ada0. Everything else will be 1 to N partitions of type freebsd-ufs. The last can be created without specifying the size and all remaining space will be allocated to it. Pick a reasonable label for each. That's it. Then you can use newfs to set up the UFS file structures on each FreeBSD partition other than swap. Because swap is raw, use glabel(8) to label it "swap". That's about it. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 15:17:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3798C578B14 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Lp54BKKz3GLS for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Lp35zt6zDsWp for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:16:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616339820; bh=ph/uW4OzjlQxsp4GPiiSHh8gJvIKLhdU6pQCMMtmaaI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=rdNLoCUgIn5GI2R7As2S1e/1HjukYpGI6vTTwaTPbBoT56lcVEuo9bltlvWomSYBb lBDjWwm6rUWtwvYIKnXF+xL6hAxFfbjXYoKQDkv5hSyW+mlj7KTw4ZAeSnsn7vkIhG hZMRx3sx539AlwhtVr0XTx0Bun4E7b8Q4JCFhfh0= X-Riseup-User-ID: 5A3F847906C3AE8B3705473F19E009F6778A0F14EEBD41F30BE80D615E92BA99 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Lp31JFdz1yBB for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:16:57 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321161657.3393ceb6@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Lp54BKKz3GLS X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=rdNLoCUg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:17:02 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:26:09 -0600, LuKreme wrote: >If you think compiling a kernel is too hard and you can=E2=80=99t figure o= ut >how/refuse to disable the errant usb in your UEFI, then yes, switching >OS is another, possible, solution for you. I would not be at all >surprised to find you have problems on current Linux. Indeed! Since one of the domains that is important to me is pro-audio, I'm mainly an Apple and Linux user. FreeBSD is an alternative and maybe better in some domains, hence I take a look at FreeBSD from time to time, at the moment I'm just owning https://nomadbsd.org/ on an USB stick. I strongly recommend to go without USB3, if this should workaround the issue. In my experiences USB3 rarely gains much, if anything at all. Compiling a kernel is less effort than installing and getting used to another operating system. And as already mentioned, when migrating to another operating system, pleased habits easily could result in new issues. 1. If possible don't migrate to Linux. 2. If there should be the need to migrate to Linux, don't use an unusual Linux, just because it's closer to FreeBSD's init. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g3sm1161768qth.66.2021.03.21.08.34.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3MB50hlvz20cY for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:34:03 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/pMJuUhaJJ2wwzFpA0EQ+o8E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3MB955qbz3GqC X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=dN+W5Pu8; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:34:26 -0000 --Sig_/pMJuUhaJJ2wwzFpA0EQ+o8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:26:09 -0600, LuKreme stated: >On Mar 20, 2021, at 11:24, Jerry wrote: >> Can you provide verifiable proof of that statement relating to the >> know defect in the USB controller? =20 > >I read the big thread. There is a post there about the controller >returning an out of bounds or invalid ID. That would be a problem, >with the controller. > >Dell is a company that largely deals with Windows. I=E2=80=99m sure Windows >does not care one whit about invalid USB controllers that maybe >hijacking your hardware, and neither does Dell because 99% of their >customers are using windows. > >But here=E2=80=99s the thing. > >YOU have a problem. You have been given two suggestions on how to >mitigate your problem, and your response is =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t WANNA= !=E2=80=9D Which is >fine, but then you repeatedly complain about how your problems is not >solved. It=E2=80=99s no ones job to solve your problem. This is not a comm= on >problem. This is an edge case. Sucks, but that=E2=80=99s the way it is. > >If you want to use Linux, fine, this is NOT the place to ask for >suggestions on what Linux to switch to, because this is not a Linux >list, and you asking that here comes across as you simply bring a >shit-stirrer. > >If you think compiling a kernel is too hard and you can=E2=80=99t figure o= ut >how/refuse to disable the errant usb in your UEFI, then yes, switching >OS is another, possible, solution for you. I would not be at all >surprised to find you have problems on current Linux. > >I would buy a USB3 card ($20?) with a different controller, put that >in, and disable the onboard USB-3, but that=E2=80=99s me. I agree that replacing the controller might be an option. The BIOS gives me the option of disabling the front, rear or both sets of USB ports. The ones in front are all USB3 but there are two USB2 ports and four USB3 + one USB3-c port on the rear. And at least USB2 has to be active for mouse and keyboard. I have Googled extensively on this problem over the past year. All of the information that I have accumulated infers that FreeBSD has somewhat poor support for USB3. With that aside, I can find NO documentation that shows the controller has a bug. In fact, just the opposite. Everything I can find that relates to this problem says that FreeBSD is the one with the BUG. Remember, versions <=3D 11.x worked fine with this setup. Well, I never tested <=3D 9, so I cannot say for sure. They are long ago EOL'd anyway. Furthermore, I have requested from at least one user who stated that the card was the problem to send or direct me to some verifiable proof of that statement. If I had such documentation, I would attempt to shove it up Dell's ass. Replacing the controller is an option I suppose. It is rather ass backwards though. I have always believed in buying the product or products I want and then finding an OS or software that supports them. In addition, if you read the entire bug report you will immediately notice that it is not just a Dell problem. Read comments 7, 15 and 17 for starters. Better yet, read the entire PR -- 169 comments. Not a single one accuses the controller of being the problem. In fact, no one seems to know exactly what the problem is, except that it stated in versions =3D> 12.x. That, in itself, is mighty suspicious. What really infuriates me is that FreeBSD will not at least post a warning on their site of the problem. Something like this: FreeBSD had been notified that the following systems are not compatible with versions >=3D 12.x [List of units not compatible]. We have no idea what the problem is and we are not going to invest in the time to figure it out, and if it is our problem, correct it. Now that I could live with. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/pMJuUhaJJ2wwzFpA0EQ+o8E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBXZ3IACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXf1CAv/T4RwhuanyOiR9LuwRUZU5NiJ6oLoh6nfwFBf9FzMOXyJaIHy/3pIE8Wx tyJEV6/HrGXSOIsTDYPkPeqairEyEZiKJuqDSzc4g8/LoUDy1IxNfdcmsTiIB6qL UOd7PlJhW/bezBslPtGhB+nCM2DYKpu5SQTJp7mFxPQ0U848OQT7hy9mhIQ8iSmt firdwEWTwPi/JrtNeKILuhPusKSd6p7llnwV+Y6B+UDw8YxpfyrK/wIg/zLxTszW XkwZodxb1CGoheHfgtFPdqukNWfhup7GL4R+mzjaDMSWkMk3TIK7Ygav+4vb+xx/ xirSDCeD/Ixm+yLcgGISyDl22vc4PuefksEPYarNMd/2lZ5u/StZLySVCyhms8VO IWZSC3xFSTP7cmsYhgRpAXx+mAXtmhOfGv+9FtIsmhT1lQ3hyxHyoBIjQngGSVIz VpLV1uP4amb6PIeFSu7B3fGZLMTzen0IdYO51//bxQxhAOH/he1aAiwHAdL6/mTY ciNaocFI =WiZH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/pMJuUhaJJ2wwzFpA0EQ+o8E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 15:36:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BB357930F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3MDn0DmLz3Gwt for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:36:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9d06f1e3; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:36:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d0c20fe4; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:36:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1a46ab2b; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:36:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e592f078 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:36:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:36:32 +0000 From: LuMiWa To: Kevin Oberman Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: new install Message-ID: <20210321153632.6aa9a396@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3MDn0DmLz3Gwt X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:36:42 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:55:43 -0700 Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 3:41 AM LuMiWa via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: >=20 > > Hi! > > > > I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few > > questions, please: > > Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD > > and OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security > > boot is enabled. > > I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than > > enough and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. > > Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay > > that I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And > > secure boot should be disabled too? > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > -- > > =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, a= nd > > less and less meaning.=E2=80=9D > > > > Jean Baudrillard > > > If you are confident that the Haiku partition will not exceed 5G, I'd > use gpart(8) to set up the drive. The order of the partitions is > pretty irrelevant, but reserving 5G and then setting the rest up for > FreeBSD. >=20 > You should already have an EFI partition. Just leave it alone. If you > wan Windows gone, delete the Windows partitions (usually three of > them), and use "gpart add -i 2 -s 5G -t fat32 -l Haiku ada0" or > something similar. The label can be anything. If there are spaces in > your chosen name, put the name in quotation marks. >=20 > Finally create your FreeBSD partitions. You can either use all space > for a single partition or use a traditional set for root (/), usr, > var, tmp, and any others you need. I'd put the swap space immediately > after the Haiku partition as, again, you can just specify "gpart add > -i 3 -t freebsd-swap -l swap -s ???G ada0. Everything else will be 1 > to N partitions of type freebsd-ufs. The last can be created without > specifying the size and all remaining space will be allocated to it. > Pick a reasonable label for each. That's it. Then you can use newfs > to set up the UFS file structures on each FreeBSD partition other > than swap. Because swap is raw, use glabel(8) to label it "swap". > That's about it. -- > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 Thank you very much. And as I mention before the secure boot should be disabled? --=20 =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and l= ess and less meaning.=E2=80=9D Jean Baudrillard From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 15:37:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F037C57927A for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3MFp0zZCz3HCH for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com with SMTP id 8so3855952ybc.13 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hBYniPeHoEKXBBY4DF7g57KzajQKmsrR9SuKKZG8pgQ=; b=BcIiEJkDTDz9dTskt9/vZvoxqxEg1ghkYfuh2RWeAhf/ErIQiN6XHgGMNqZJHj75FU UPr+8rLwLv1LZ0QyzsiBpGFxsd91qjEqhoyNlMP87VT9gqpqz9weZU09GvEjaljWqsey ShkbDtbypMN2dRmZH4ud1bZVSCxxh85smRBX7tv+Xm0M5rfrWxCoYoeLwnJ5P9Vh/OZ+ h348rqoa0pGfNqJdE7vcNMhZpQd5XkT2dsdPhoD/VmhiMvW3oH0nrezifAymP2Ekrc39 Vys4O/OsY6EUzh+U6YIG/mrbCs+uQN6Ics2gAqF8iK99zt+jbrsnepyTCikAKlzxjEQg +ALw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hBYniPeHoEKXBBY4DF7g57KzajQKmsrR9SuKKZG8pgQ=; b=GLZhMf6p96mtXvG4ZbwvvdplB9plV00GfOo7NJL9wqOSxHmlGPe4kIjmqx3P4XBNiP kzaiglSEt9SxKro9539aEveyoeJO31IJ3qxZJYYj6WbC4Lx2Hp67G8AC5gJcP7C10/xk v5xri0zzgYosUm880Bt/Xff2TI6vbSE0iEm9ORTx2SUAQA74s7heRrhtgULm97OQXiP4 +G5esWUCEyaxhulAj/BCqJGUPfWiHWuJ2TDfzi/dIhE4uuxHtrugUpBuIUsR/t0LkvQ5 z0rhpdrDnC/J3JxMWesf49nlvbeLv4JRTmA+pyuTTL2mBHAQS5Zqafb6J+/ZdI6Yu03l ymiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Yulh/coh8BwCptuTIFIq4yMNmLPoKarRR9vDfDzoYdJGeq8av fmz/zsF0HYWS5CFwl2+Il2c94uI73/318j1JrFzutP5uPJjclA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxOSnRox7XKDKybzWyBRqC86s1Pgw75bI9EnxPt8ksFvrX3qioeKYCMcp5aiUibfIrPuoV/3Ca75SIQu+WBWZs= X-Received: by 2002:a25:d091:: with SMTP id h139mr18224147ybg.437.1616341053031; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:37:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3MFp0zZCz3HCH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BcIiEJkD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.980]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0000 I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my machine doesn't support UEFI. How can I get the same resolution on this machine? Some things I have already tried/other notes: * I have a nVidia card using x11/nvidia-driver-390 (card not supported on newer drivers) * There is no on board video on the MB * I have played with the settings suggested in vt(4), sc(4) and vidcontrol(1) Here is my current /boot/loader.conf: kern.vt.fb.modes="3840x2160" kern.vty=vt nvidia-modeset_load="YES" linux_load="YES" fuse_load="YES" -- Aryeh M. 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Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 08:44:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new install To: LuMiWa Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3MQb6TByz3HTW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=pb6gvr/a; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.60)[0.602]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:45:12 -0000 I forgot to mention that you need to use efibootmgr(8) to set up the boot manager in the existing efi partition, I have no idea how to set up haiku, but you should use loader.efi as the boot code for FreeBSD. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:55 AM Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 3:41 AM LuMiWa via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few >> questions, please: >> Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD and >> OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security boot is >> enabled. >> I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than enough >> and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. >> Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay that >> I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And >> secure boot should be disabled too? >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> -- >> =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, an= d less >> and less meaning.=E2=80=9D >> >> Jean Baudrillard >> > If you are confident that the Haiku partition will not exceed 5G, I'd use > gpart(8) to set up the drive. The order of the partitions is pretty > irrelevant, but reserving 5G and then setting the rest up for FreeBSD. > > You should already have an EFI partition. Just leave it alone. If you wan > Windows gone, delete the Windows partitions (usually three of them), and > use "gpart add -i 2 -s 5G -t fat32 -l Haiku ada0" or something similar. > The label can be anything. If there are spaces in your chosen name, put t= he > name in quotation marks. > > Finally create your FreeBSD partitions. You can either use all space for = a > single partition or use a traditional set for root (/), usr, var, tmp, a= nd > any others you need. I'd put the swap space immediately after the Haiku > partition as, again, you can just specify "gpart add -i 3 -t freebsd-swap > -l swap -s ???G ada0. Everything else will be 1 to N partitions of type > freebsd-ufs. The last can be created without specifying the size and all > remaining space will be allocated to it. Pick a reasonable label for each= . > That's it. Then you can use newfs to set up the UFS file structures on ea= ch > FreeBSD partition other than swap. Because swap is raw, use glabel(8) to > label it "swap". 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For Haiku is 5 GB more than > > > enough and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. > > > Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay > > > that I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And > > > secure boot should be disabled too? > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information,= and > > > less and less meaning.=E2=80=9D > > > > > > Jean Baudrillard > > > > > If you are confident that the Haiku partition will not exceed 5G, I'd > > use gpart(8) to set up the drive. The order of the partitions is > > pretty irrelevant, but reserving 5G and then setting the rest up for > > FreeBSD. > > > > You should already have an EFI partition. Just leave it alone. If you > > wan Windows gone, delete the Windows partitions (usually three of > > them), and use "gpart add -i 2 -s 5G -t fat32 -l Haiku ada0" or > > something similar. The label can be anything. If there are spaces in > > your chosen name, put the name in quotation marks. > > > > Finally create your FreeBSD partitions. You can either use all space > > for a single partition or use a traditional set for root (/), usr, > > var, tmp, and any others you need. I'd put the swap space immediately > > after the Haiku partition as, again, you can just specify "gpart add > > -i 3 -t freebsd-swap -l swap -s ???G ada0. Everything else will be 1 > > to N partitions of type freebsd-ufs. The last can be created without > > specifying the size and all remaining space will be allocated to it. > > Pick a reasonable label for each. That's it. Then you can use newfs > > to set up the UFS file structures on each FreeBSD partition other > > than swap. Because swap is raw, use glabel(8) to label it "swap". > > That's about it. -- > > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 > > Thank you very much. And as I mention before the secure boot should be > disabled? > > > -- > =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and= less > and less meaning.=E2=80=9D > > Jean Baudrillard > Yes, that is correct. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 15:47:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA2F57995E for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb32.google.com (mail-yb1-xb32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3MT719FGz3Jcp for ; 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Something like this: > > FreeBSD had been notified that the following systems are not compatible > with versions >= 12.x [List of units not compatible]. We have no idea > what the problem is and we are not going to invest in the time to > figure it out, and if it is our problem, correct it. > Why should they?!?!? The reasons for "why should they" are: 1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that one can find out there and most of them are like the person you are replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by you can't find anyone with a close enough system that is willing to actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this leaves two options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and if you switch OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) 2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you run into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one the few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again STFU -- Aryeh M. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm7308756qtj.16.2021.03.21.09.06.50 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3MvZ2yJZz20d6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:06:33 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/+p+C0k=j/GA0jgdi3xdJskN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Mvd23z3z3KbG X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=WdsRwP4Q; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::835 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:06:54 -0000 --Sig_/+p+C0k=j/GA0jgdi3xdJskN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:47:11 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:34 AM Jerry wrote: > >> What really infuriates me is that FreeBSD will not at least post a >> warning on their site of the problem. Something like this: >> >> FreeBSD had been notified that the following systems are not >> compatible with versions >=3D 12.x [List of units not compatible]. We >> have no idea what the problem is and we are not going to invest in >> the time to figure it out, and if it is our problem, correct it. >> =20 > >Why should they?!?!? > >The reasons for "why should they" are: >1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that >one can find out there and most of them are like the person you are >replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by >you can't find anyone with a close enough system that is willing to >actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this leaves two >options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix the bug, b) you >switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining about stuff you >refuse to help with in an way and if you switch OS's this is the wrong >forum to do it in -- in short STFU) > >2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and >working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed >components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any >problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go >this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you run >into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one the >few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again STFU I have no problem with them listing every system they know to be 100% companionable. However, logistically, I believe the to be a impractical. I think the possibility of them actually testing every possible controller, et cetera under every conceivable environment to be absurd. 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:14:21 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jerry wrote: > >Why should they?!?!? > > > >The reasons for "why should they" are: > >1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that > >one can find out there and most of them are like the person you are > >replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by > >you can't find anyone with a close enough system that is willing to > >actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this leaves two > >options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix the bug, b) you > >switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining about stuff you > >refuse to help with in an way and if you switch OS's this is the wrong > >forum to do it in -- in short STFU) > > > >2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and > >working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed > >components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any > >problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go > >this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you run > >into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one the > >few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again STFU > > I have no problem with them listing every system they know to be 100% > companionable. However, logistically, I believe the to be a > impractical. I think the possibility of them actually testing every > possible controller, et cetera under every conceivable environment to be > absurd. All they really need to do is compile a list of known units with > incompatibility issues, post them and then keep them updated. > Again why should they if the issue is an open and actively being investigated bug report. The purpose of such a list is for things the have decided not to support and any device that claims support for function X but does not quite meet the standard (as implemented in the kernel) is then by definition a bug that needs to be looked into. The bug you are complaining about *IS* being actively looked into and thus does not belong on the "we don't support list". So once again you are wasting your time and everyone else's time by barking up a tree that doesn't exist (and should not exist). So either switch to another OS or help solve the issue your complaining about. Neither option is really the territory of -questions@ so once again STFU. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 16:20:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2037557AC38 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3NBn1QKBz3LgS for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3NBl2z29zDsFR for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:19:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616343599; bh=9HaXBMiUKfqMn5g+pg0X72Nh5VXracXDvHfIfSTIqhs=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Ygm/u6yMNlFAzBfyl6LAiAI9ZgTPRfUryWHMHnU4+TVbBiyN8HPPB35k9XqI83fRU HuVxQyMAKHhqsI/v689oIrRgmVrip7W+BjYgPultzESRWUC1lOglStSWQNnHxz1pe/ HXhQE3zCJTkKyAjo+jAZZzPbub++f0wE4XnGGfGY= X-Riseup-User-ID: 505158710853FCBCC08BAAF526385B3DF6C2D3539F9543CFB8DA27A37138ACBF Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3NBk5ppRz5vb1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:19:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3NBn1QKBz3LgS X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=Ygm/u6yM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:20:02 -0000 On Sun, 2021-03-21 at 11:47 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > The reasons for "why should they" are: > 1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware that one > can find out there and most of them are like the person you are replying to > edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by you can't find > anyone with a close enough system that is willing to actually do the work > to test any fixes on... Let's call this the "big reason why" and assume no undertone, just good faith. > so this leaves two options: a) you stop complaining > and help actually fix the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop > publically whining about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and if you > switch OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) Is this still a required explanation? > 2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and > working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed > components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any problems > are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go this route then > you have no one except yourself to blame when you run into "some assembly > required" situations and likely you are one the few people that can help > fix it... yet you refuse to... Hard to ignore the undertone here ;). White and black lists are imperfect, so be careful! However "likely you are one" + "yet you refuse to" is an accusation. > again STFU Pff! Somebody who is frustrated kicks partly over the traces and you guess that it helps anybody in the universe to be spiteful? It might not be an excuse, but at least it's a good explanation why the OP kicks over the traces, since the OP is frustrated that something doesn't work. There's neither an excuse, nor an explanation why you are doing the same. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 16:28:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B93457B2A2 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3NNl3T1xz3MPq for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.150.26.86] (unknown [10.150.26.86]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C69E74E663; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> To: Ralf Mardorf X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3NNl3T1xz3MPq X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:28:40 -0000 > On Mar 21, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf = wrote: >=20 Ralf, your wisdom may tell me why when posting on this thread (except = the one when I mentioned =E2=80=98boot_mute=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D =E2=80= =98 ) I felt like I am feeding troll(s). I bet I=E2=80=99m not the only = one tired of this thread ;-( But thanks for bringing some sanity to = insane exchange. Valeri > On Sun, 2021-03-21 at 11:47 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> The reasons for "why should they" are: >> 1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware = that one >> can find out there and most of them are like the person you are = replying to >> edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by you can't = find >> anyone with a close enough system that is willing to actually do the = work >> to test any fixes on... >=20 > Let's call this the "big reason why" and assume no undertone, just = good > faith. >=20 >> so this leaves two options: a) you stop complaining >> and help actually fix the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop >> publically whining about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and = if you >> switch OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) >=20 > Is this still a required explanation? >=20 >> 2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and >> working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed >> components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any = problems >> are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go this = route then >> you have no one except yourself to blame when you run into "some = assembly >> required" situations and likely you are one the few people that can = help >> fix it... yet you refuse to... >=20 > Hard to ignore the undertone here ;). White and black lists are > imperfect, so be careful! However "likely you are one" + "yet you = refuse > to" is an accusation. >=20 >> again STFU >=20 > Pff! >=20 > Somebody who is frustrated kicks partly over the traces and you guess > that it helps anybody in the universe to be spiteful? >=20 > It might not be an excuse, but at least it's a good explanation why = the > OP kicks over the traces, since the OP is frustrated that something > doesn't work. >=20 > There's neither an excuse, nor an explanation why you are doing the > same. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 16:44:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A90757BAA6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Nkz6vCjz3NYT for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Nky2LzlzDv27 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616345066; bh=aWezdLSLjUz4wvUlpqS5L4I+g6b1EBoEcB+V4bzp92c=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KqS/JA1tPppNxZH1ukxeZFrJvrNpYtyIccVbsUA6oaVBfatEKtUUyppGijrA+ly2q q9AuF7svp+m+kLZPPDPA0hbqdVci0zTef7AizCBdLLUmNWzsWjNznCgr7I1kXnl1j4 aoBg8H5OdpPwx35YH1E83VD7i4Yc93V+VyYejmJc= X-Riseup-User-ID: 129495AC9594DB878AC9709055E4211A463F2643324DD7BB0885C6908C65CC3C Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Nkx4tLPz1xmR for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:44:24 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321174424.599bebd9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Nkz6vCjz3NYT X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=KqS/JA1t; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:44:29 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On Mar 21, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:=20 >Ralf, your wisdom may tell me why when posting on this thread (except >the one when I mentioned =E2=80=98boot_mute=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D =E2=80= =98 ) I felt like I am feeding >troll(s). I bet I=E2=80=99m not the only one tired of this thread ;-( But >thanks for bringing some sanity to insane exchange. Much likely manipulative, unlikely a compliment, more likely a https://www.dict.cc/?s=3Dwink+mit+dem+zaunpfahl (a wave with a fencing post) . Valeri, I hear what you're saying. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 16:49:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C79057BD95 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3NrH16x4z3NJR for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:48:59 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6F32A6A4-9492-44A3-8CC0-684D5AEC5D45@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3NrH16x4z3NJR X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:49:04 -0000 On 21 Mar 2021, at 09:34, Jerry wrote: > The BIOS gives me the option of disabling the front, rear or both sets = of USB ports. The ones in front are all USB3 but there are two USB2 = ports and four USB3 + one USB3-c port on the rear. And at least USB2 has = to be active for mouse and keyboard. I am almost 100% positive this machine does not have BIOS at all; modern = Intel machines do not, and from the number I would assume your model is = newer than mine, though one can never be sure. That said, the inability to disable the USB-3 controller is most = certainly a DELL issue, and if they lump the USB-2 and USB-3 into one = setting based on LOCATION that is supremely stupid. It would not = surprise me, but it is still stupid. I have an older Dell XPS (not for FreeBSD, it is a Wintendo) and I can = check its UEFI if it seems useful, but I am pretty sure I could disable = the USB-3 specifically without rendering ti unable to use a keyboard and = mouse. --=20 Suddenly the animals look shiny and new From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:00:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976B157C548 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3P5v6VGgz3PPY for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pkg- searching by (partial) origin|category for installed packages/ports From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:00:50 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3P5v6VGgz3PPY X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:00:52 -0000 On 20 Mar 2021, at 04:50, parv/freebsd = wrote: > How does one search for a installed port or package by (partial) > origin/category? Failed attempts ... I found searching ports very frustrating, so years ago I came up with = this, which is not how anyone suggested I do this, instead suggesting a = myriad of make and pig commands all of which did slightly different = things and none what I wanted. # cat /usr/local/bin/pfind #!/usr/local/bin/bash TERM=3D$@ find /usr/ports -mindepth 2 -maxdepth 2 -iname "*${TERM}*" | grep -v = distfiles # pfind x11 | grep wm /usr/ports/graphics/libwmf-nox11 # pfind wm | grep x11 /usr/ports/graphics/libwmf-nox11 /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmtime /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmbday /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmbinclock /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmblueclock /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmcalclock /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmclock /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmfishtime /usr/ports/x11-clocks/wmtimer /usr/ports/x11-themes/fvwm-themes /usr/ports/x11-themes/icewm-extra-themes /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtksourceviewmm3 /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/wmapp /usr/ports/x11-wm/spectrwm /usr/ports/x11-wm/amiwm /usr/ports/x11-wm/antiwm . . . . . . Etc Works for me. YMMV. --=20 Y is for YORRICK whose head was knocked in Z is for ZILLAH who drank too much gin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:17:59 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3422257CCCB for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3PTf33y9z3QK6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:17:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3PTd1cQyzDqBM for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:17:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616347077; bh=rrb/L8PsRo+MYyX38MTZE9+VExOno1jOeZWr4UGDzXA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=S660fhXvlT6YsI9xNQXtTf+RVJQ3i2oOxc1qlKyDnES9lu2WJJ7XJHfVX2kHXJQoy w0CZT2sLTtw0ZmJ/ylK24YBZ91mrnGdvZGkhWydnhFVK3AQh/dgSN87hRCAVzDRvXw 3VcxInEEdm5ZgeipbyeumftJclOTyf5+ssUFe1ag= X-Riseup-User-ID: 80C8457029F08C21BB09DB88B2B60A828913734902C5A7D9B522C2A7D1147134 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3PTc44K8z5wWc for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:17:55 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321181755.03d51ec9@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <6F32A6A4-9492-44A3-8CC0-684D5AEC5D45@kreme.com> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <6F32A6A4-9492-44A3-8CC0-684D5AEC5D45@kreme.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3PTf33y9z3QK6 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=S660fhXv; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:17:59 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:48:59 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >I am almost 100% positive this machine does not have BIOS at all; >modern Intel machines do not To me "BIOS" nowadays is a word for what ever thingy shows up after pushing the Del key or what ever key else, after turning on the computer, to get into the thingy. To show a green screen, I used this picture, I made this year in my flat [1]. In the shelf there's a book "PC INTERN 2.0" from Data Becker. Once upon a time, I've written software calling BIOS routs, something reasonable this time :D. [1] https://i.imgur.com/lAehEAZ.jpg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:29:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C9D57D039 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb31.google.com (mail-yb1-xb31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Pkh66Znz3R3v for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb31.google.com with SMTP id j2so4078741ybj.8 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:29:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=q2VjOB2hJSX6P4IEd+zFweksmY1hh9TJjNguZaocR/s=; b=DCbvikBhJpBRByoJ4WviF32Bn2RErVvjB3BcrOW52H3ICZpWKZyoArMBP/B+Fwx4vb pyXgqkGN+R2LZqnSV57eodDfbvC2jRgM0oRdFJRKqu2Y18n/zKVTI0nCBR7ffcyNtyZi thd8ngHO9TUQj5yiCA4oEIQVr+IYJgLq+0NDa+rKfkn3/WLR5O9546MK2mXO8AgKbpBl y/X4dMfBAJ3A5U6RN3HkkoLBI/tasj5X/U3PLsgoVFw+Iubl6gT1yN1CjBlt9J3YYKMl kEfHOiAmEq5FUA8GYfdLLo8pytrRflzPib/U08m5UZjgUU4kKX4C8onNy1+e6+Tx3Vh8 f2hg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=q2VjOB2hJSX6P4IEd+zFweksmY1hh9TJjNguZaocR/s=; b=oCQmYq8U5O3x4zAn67nJ7s9DLn89F8pprMdwB1OYE2R4lTIcgogFA3e4i4QfTn4ibE wS0ic5tBpv2hpY904xHKbXp6h4I/Hus0GEjETvZPwP3kIChvmQJSKdC1soUBGeevxfeq 0Us16T0fhdnMBhMKqFoGEbkNHAFgKznREqW6ffU7/0iyPUJkHOFH6aBCSEWpxyutXTYs tquYF3RXfw39bwvNZPFbe0qt7fVctgTCcJdlV+uzsLHiqSXZX8MQECPmRopF7l03OPfM EmtiZGbg6ld+yxlEiUN2pMHGCWQqP+iydKWhR7jDmTBbpt9oDlk5yzrTBfT9lLQ1pKGN HhLw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530fISIsP0KkkX9GwUuORuz2CN56cAG7VqmSjqequU0kmJxOmqpT hu2U8mQyNi4xc0v2K6soUyXmI/dPXdFjQXaNt4QNVcdZmIECxw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJydIUJGdG+AVukQINE+Fd1UeeDLtv3YyvhzUxlpTD4toIY/D+iFv6/iAGRUSMKrCuDfTCai8ATfItA2cWXGtpY= X-Received: by 2002:a25:e4c4:: with SMTP id b187mr20116112ybh.92.1616347755499; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:29:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device To: Karl Dunn , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Pkh66Znz3R3v X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=DCbvikBh; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:17 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:14 PM Karl Dunn wrote: > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my machine > > doesn't support UEFI. How can I get the same resolution on this machine? > > > > Some things I have already tried/other notes: > > > > * I have a nVidia card using x11/nvidia-driver-390 (card not supported on > > newer drivers) > > * There is no on board video on the MB > > * I have played with the settings suggested in vt(4), sc(4) and > > vidcontrol(1) > > > > Here is my current /boot/loader.conf: > > > > kern.vt.fb.modes="3840x2160" > > kern.vty=vt > > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > linux_load="YES" > > fuse_load="YES" > > > > -- > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > Can you post output from dmesg and pciconf -lv? > Copyright (c) 1992-2020 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p3 r369222 GENERIC amd64 FreeBSD clang version 10.0.1 (git@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git llvmorg-10.0.1-0-gef32c611aa2) VT(vga): resolution 640x480 CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor (3400.09-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x800f82 Family=0x17 Model=0x8 Stepping=2 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x7ed8320b AMD Features=0x2e500800 AMD Features2=0x35c233ff Structured Extended Features=0x209c01a9 XSAVE Features=0xf AMD Extended Feature Extensions ID EBX=0x1007 SVM: NP,NRIP,VClean,AFlush,DAssist,NAsids=32768 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics real memory = 25769803776 (24576 MB) avail memory = 24932970496 (23777 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 12 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 cache groups x 3 core(s) x 2 hardware threads random: unblocking device. ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-55 on motherboard Launching APs: 10 4 5 1 2 6 3 9 7 11 8 Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 1700042925 Hz quality 1000 random: entropy device external interface kbd1 at kbdmux0 000.000023 [4336] netmap_init netmap: loaded module [ath_hal] loaded module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff81114e40, 0) error 19 random: registering fast source Intel Secure Key RNG random: fast provider: "Intel Secure Key RNG" nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms 390.141 Mon Dec 28 16:15:27 UTC 2020 nexus0 vtvga0: on motherboard cryptosoft0: on motherboard acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) cpu0: on acpi0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 on acpi0 atrtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff irq 0,8 on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 Event timer "HPET2" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) pcib1: at device 1.3 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 xhci0: mem 0xf73a0000-0xf73a7fff irq 32 at device 0.0 on pci1 xhci0: 32 bytes context size, 64-bit DMA xhci0: Unable to map MSI-X table usbus0 on xhci0 usbus0: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0 ahci0: mem 0xf7380000-0xf739ffff irq 33 at device 0.1 on pci1 ahci0: AHCI v1.31 with 8 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 pcib2: irq 34 at device 0.2 on pci1 pci2: on pcib2 pcib3: irq 32 at device 0.0 on pci2 pci3: on pcib3 pcib4: irq 33 at device 1.0 on pci2 pci4: on pcib4 re0: port 0xf000-0xf0ff mem 0xf7204000-0xf7204fff,0xf7200000-0xf7203fff irq 33 at device 0.0 on pci4 re0: Using 1 MSI-X message re0: Chip rev. 0x54000000 re0: MAC rev. 0x00100000 miibus0: on re0 rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow re0: Using defaults for TSO: 65518/35/2048 re0: Ethernet address: 00:d8:61:78:d4:9c re0: netmap queues/slots: TX 1/256, RX 1/256 pcib5: irq 32 at device 4.0 on pci2 pci5: on pcib5 vgapci0: port 0xe000-0xe07f mem 0xf6000000-0xf6ffffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff,0xf0000000-0xf1ffffff irq 32 at device 0.0 on pci5 nvidia0: on vgapci0 vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io vgapci0: Boot video device hdac0: mem 0xf7080000-0xf7083fff irq 33 at device 0.1 on pci5 pcib6: at device 7.1 on pci0 pci6: on pcib6 pci6: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) pci6: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) xhci1: mem 0xf7500000-0xf75fffff irq 37 at device 0.3 on pci6 xhci1: 64 bytes context size, 64-bit DMA xhci1: Unable to map MSI-X table usbus1 on xhci1 usbus1: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0 pcib7: at device 8.1 on pci0 pci7: on pcib7 pci7: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) ahci1: mem 0xf7808000-0xf7808fff irq 42 at device 0.2 on pci7 ahci1: AHCI v1.31 with 1 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported with FBS ahcich8: at channel 0 on ahci1 hdac1: mem 0xf7800000-0xf7807fff irq 43 at device 0.3 on pci7 isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 uart2: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedc9000-0xfedc9fff,0xfedc7000-0xfedc7fff irq 3 on acpi0 uart3: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedca000-0xfedcafff,0xfedc8000-0xfedc8fff irq 4 on acpi0 uart4: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedce000-0xfedcefff,0xfedcc000-0xfedccfff irq 3 on acpi0 uart5: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedcf000-0xfedcffff,0xfedcd000-0xfedcdfff irq 4 on acpi0 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbdc0: non-PNP ISA device will be removed from GENERIC in FreeBSD 12. hwpstate0: on cpu0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 hdacc1: at cad 0 on hdac1 hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc1 pcm2: at nid 20,22,21,23 and 24,26 on hdaa1 pcm3: at nid 27 and 25 on hdaa1 ugen1.1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB> at usbus1 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada1s1a [rw]... ugen0.1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB> at usbus0 Root mount waiting for: usbus0 CAM usbus1 ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device ada0: Serial Number 20070110240883 ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 976762MB (2000409264 512 byte sectors) uhub0: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus1 uhub1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus0 ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 ada1: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device ada1: Serial Number 19070910240135 ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada1: Command Queueing enabled ada1: 976762MB (2000409264 512 byte sectors) uhub0: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered uhub1: 22 ports with 22 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus0 ugen0.2: at usbus0 uhub2 on uhub1 uhub2: on usbus0 uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus0 ugen0.3: at usbus0 ukbd0 on uhub2 ukbd0: on usbus0 kbd2 at ukbd0 Root mount waiting for: usbus0 ugen0.4: at usbus0 mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada1s1a... intsmb0: at device 20.0 on pci0 smbus0: on intsmb0 lo0: link state changed to UP re0: link state changed to DOWN uhid0 on uhub2 uhid0: on usbus0 ums0 on uhub2 ums0: on usbus0 ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 re0: link state changed to UP AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) ivhd0: on acpi0 ivhd0: Flag:b0 ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada HATS = 0x2 GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 DualPortLogSup = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f DevTblSegSup = 0x3 MarcSup = 0x1 ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 bridge0: Ethernet address: 02:06:fa:65:3d:00 re0: promiscuous mode enabled bridge0: link state changed to UP ================ CUT HERE =========== hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14501022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Root Complex' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI none0@pci0:0:0:2: class=0x080600 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14511022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) I/O Memory Management Unit' class = base peripheral subclass = IOMMU hostb1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib1@pci0:0:1:3: class=0x060400 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14531022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe GPP Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI hostb2@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb3@pci0:0:3:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb4@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb5@pci0:0:7:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib6@pci0:0:7:1: class=0x060400 card=0x14627c02 chip=0x14541022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to Bus B' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI hostb6@pci0:0:8:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib7@pci0:0:8:1: class=0x060400 card=0x14627c02 chip=0x14541022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to Bus B' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI intsmb0@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x790b1022 rev=0x59 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'FCH SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x790e1022 rev=0x51 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'FCH LPC Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA hostb7@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14601022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 0' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb8@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14611022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 1' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb9@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14621022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 2' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb10@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14631022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 3' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb11@pci0:0:24:4: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14641022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 4' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb12@pci0:0:24:5: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14651022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 5' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb13@pci0:0:24:6: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14661022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 6' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI hostb14@pci0:0:24:7: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14671022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 7' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI xhci0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x0c0330 card=0x11421b21 chip=0x43d51022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset USB 3.1 XHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ahci0@pci0:3:0:1: class=0x010601 card=0x10621b21 chip=0x43c81022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset SATA Controller' class = mass storage subclass = SATA pcib2@pci0:3:0:2: class=0x060400 card=0x02011b21 chip=0x43c61022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3@pci0:32:0:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib4@pci0:32:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib5@pci0:32:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI re0@pci0:34:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x816810ec rev=0x15 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' device = 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' class = network subclass = ethernet vgapci0@pci0:37:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x85f51043 chip=0x1d0110de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'GP108 [GeForce GT 1030]' class = display subclass = VGA hdac0@pci0:37:0:1: class=0x040300 card=0x85f51043 chip=0x0fb810de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'GP108 High Definition Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = HDA none1@pci0:38:0:0: class=0x130000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x145a1022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Zeppelin/Raven/Raven2 PCIe Dummy Function' class = non-essential instrumentation none2@pci0:38:0:2: class=0x108000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14561022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Platform Security Processor' class = encrypt/decrypt xhci1@pci0:38:0:3: class=0x0c0330 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x145f1022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Zeppelin USB 3.0 Host controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB none3@pci0:39:0:0: class=0x130000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14551022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Zeppelin/Renoir PCIe Dummy Function' class = non-essential instrumentation ahci1@pci0:39:0:2: class=0x010601 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x79011022 rev=0x51 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode]' class = mass storage subclass = SATA hdac1@pci0:39:0:3: class=0x040300 card=0xec021462 chip=0x14571022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) HD Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = HDA > > What model of Nvidia card? (dmesg/pciconf may not show that) > GT1030 > Not sure the above will help, but it >might<. > > WRT "resolution": X, and/or the text font/size on the login console? > > -- > Karl L. Dunn > kldunn@hiwaay.net > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 17:29:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B885857D3A4 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3Pl05q8Pz3RL1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20210321181755.03d51ec9@archlinux> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:29:31 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <6F32A6A4-9492-44A3-8CC0-684D5AEC5D45@kreme.com> <20210321181755.03d51ec9@archlinux> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Pl05q8Pz3RL1 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:29:33 -0000 > On 21 Mar 2021, at 11:17, Ralf Mardorf = wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:48:59 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >> I am almost 100% positive this machine does not have BIOS at all; >> modern Intel machines do not >=20 > To me "BIOS" nowadays is a word for what ever thingy shows up after > pushing the Del key or what ever key else, after turning on the > computer, to get into the thingy. That's fine if you are only talking to people who share your same idea, = but UEFI is not BIOS in very important ways, so calling it BIOS will = lead to confusion, and it can make trouble-shooting far more difficult = if you are trying to tell someone what to do in BIOS which may simply = not be possible in UEFI, or vice versa. --=20 I think we need to send some time apart so we know what's real and = what's fox. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d12sm7592735qth.11.2021.03.21.11.13.42 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Qjx6DHbz20g7 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:13:29 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/oHQ0.Duua4/Z//8jL0jZfq7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Qk10vGdz3l1p X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=iduW58WQ; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::734 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.29 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.11)[-0.112]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::734:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::734:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::734:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:13:46 -0000 --Sig_/oHQ0.Duua4/Z//8jL0jZfq7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500, Valeri Galtsev stated: >Ralf, your wisdom may tell me why when posting on this thread (except >the one when I mentioned =E2=80=98boot_mute=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D =E2=80= =98 ) I felt like I am feeding >troll(s). I bet I=E2=80=99m not the only one tired of this thread ;-( But >thanks for bringing some sanity to insane exchange. First, I cannot get the OS installed. Even if I could, you suggest, while probably good in the short haul, is not a good or viable solution. It is akin to turning off the warning bell on a fire alarm. The problem still exists and sooner or later it will blow up in your face. It is false security. I would do it, assuming I could get the system to install and otherwise work correctly, if I knew it was only gong to be a short term solution. I am in the process of getting some coders who actually know what they are doing to look into the matter. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/oHQ0.Duua4/Z//8jL0jZfq7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBXjM4ACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXe7cgwAky7wrETxTnBKIO8xbCjeSJAa1wvJZgWQ9Ef8uhDcRmJm/bRn3LeC9Q9w ZAtSBwkPZvjcwYdYVVxgeZGqtjlLpsXRIt8xDMooMbzxBPpuk3JPvxu+B0sMCd04 R453lG1mHYbMps8hrvB0aFEwKG4GWXk979E8o0YLSDq4XcDLdxjMiKKcmNtn00rl BefBcAbXxurs2KHgJQx7111oJXYXeuDNr7fSlsYuhaNMN90Frw0EJ1dab/HwxYWK KtHQn9zlKmN+NObAjHo/Nhddid9WtxWV2dY39Bqa44yHw/LUfO3qHl9+g/ltoPr7 bOhb4by2a9nak9ZG+mlaaj5WagCxpCzjOeJke+CoMp5n9TmL8zhbCKBvV2GyRThM a9HlzS3sCHgwjQWkL6rlLIGXKCwfUDWwrLuxSii5a14Nc3tLsDMuLTcNzSMdJDZo OuW+I/edVAlLo6iynqsD3SamYlMdph47doZlDm91hezWJF+NgG7S7WKO7FS+3hMH stILBHzt =cfZ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/oHQ0.Duua4/Z//8jL0jZfq7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 18:26:12 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E799057F4E4 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qt1-x831.google.com (mail-qt1-x831.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::831]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3R0N0JfQz3lmD for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:26:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by mail-qt1-x831.google.com with SMTP id j7so10791533qtx.5 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:26:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version; bh=3hRxqOUn9jl9hRxeLMW8/OetQg1noVMoVn/OHNVpSyk=; b=VRbvQ66uvmT+SKLzYz9dAwmwcoP8uN1kh1OEtTXxnyMY6C2weJGK9Fov6GVucwho4k Cjtk2nBWWbGWU/CCCw3EhTeTDhPFWxER2/+tUoUdihCnr9M2qYqPnPERKSLVkDi9O1iA i9wjEVHPLFC8kvZg23wazbaT6kNRb5kxUiYBw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version; bh=3hRxqOUn9jl9hRxeLMW8/OetQg1noVMoVn/OHNVpSyk=; b=H+uqtiHQ+en68atKj3iiQ4EK3sWCWnJEqEh9nsNWJhC0ziCyxUo3FkiRAtSxNz1F0d m8UGusuopzYiF4ltdN0D+WBzKs3FCcpVNIf4RTlNunr+k5eNGALgJHt5r1H3ygtlpyfw 91S+Vp2b/4oSA4YytAM2Q/z8XNRIk72dl+QmqZ28Ku1bD8k6XbrT3sh9rWaNJ7XsaM63 B3v5bsYF5E8Zc4I2hseMIO3Z23FrclUOeZ3KhXU/I+tywAZeP/a09rvK5/9hPx5DO6+m Or57dHbpjUIvBbIWy3R/kWxH3CW/V+W9oHV1vPIVlZB/UoNLCeRleukzsgWAEfjdIf1Q IIKw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533wNHsuwQlygdTTkcepuDAxjP4iAknl2WWuAC4JSLZNg8BZiN3k BW/bN1NHUNio7u1x8lMaZPtjNM+UkzoO4g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzTrU4pUus2kB6vKHnIbzkZu2oV2j+v5hSIjC8VJCGXQN0ic+kyiIrD88Acj/VvrM+uGYAw9w== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1009:: with SMTP id z9mr6830269qti.128.1616351170680; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-231-236.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h12sm9408561qko.29.2021.03.21.11.26.09 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3R0J3ZnZz20gS for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:25:53 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/0.1dktuT9X8j0UD+/j+eObY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3R0N0JfQz3lmD X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=VRbvQ66u; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::831 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.07 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::831:from]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::831:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.67)[0.666]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::831:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:26:13 -0000 --Sig_/0.1dktuT9X8j0UD+/j+eObY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:14:07 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:07 PM Jerry wrote: > >> >Why should they?!?!? >> > >> >The reasons for "why should they" are: >> >1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware >> >that one can find out there and most of them are like the person >> >you are replying to edge cases that effect very few people (as >> >witnessed by you can't find anyone with a close enough system that >> >is willing to actually do the work to test any fixes on... so this >> >leaves two options: a) you stop complaining and help actually fix >> >the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop publically whining >> >about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and if you switch >> >OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) >> > >> >2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and >> >working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed >> >components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any >> >problems are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go >> >this route then you have no one except yourself to blame when you >> >run into "some assembly required" situations and likely you are one >> >the few people that can help fix it... yet you refuse to... again >> >STFU =20 >> >> I have no problem with them listing every system they know to be 100% >> companionable. However, logistically, I believe the to be a >> impractical. I think the possibility of them actually testing every >> possible controller, et cetera under every conceivable environment >> to be absurd. All they really need to do is compile a list of known >> units with incompatibility issues, post them and then keep them >> updated.=20 > >Again why should they if the issue is an open and actively being >investigated bug report. The purpose of such a list is for things the >have decided not to support and any device that claims support for >function X but does not quite meet the standard (as implemented in the >kernel) is then by definition a bug that needs to be looked into. >The bug you are complaining about *IS* being actively looked into and >thus does not belong on the "we don't support list". > >So once again you are wasting your time and everyone else's time by >barking up a tree that doesn't exist (and should not exist). So >either switch to another OS or help solve the issue your complaining >about. Neither option is really the territory of -questions@ so once >again STFU. You are a complete asshole. The simple fact the the controller in question, and here I am assuming it is the controller, does not function correctly under FreeBSD, versions >=3D 11.x, but apparently does function under other OSs, is prima facie proof that it is not supported. I have seen zero proof that anyone is actively working on this phenomenon. The fact the the bug was first reported over a year ago would seem to indicate that it is not attracting any attention. 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How can I get the same resolution on >this machine? I am shocked, absolutely shocked. What are you a lazy cocksucker? 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:50:24 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:37:22 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: > >I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my > >machine doesn't support UEFI. How can I get the same resolution on > >this machine? > > > I am shocked, absolutely shocked. What are you a lazy cocksucker? > > Either: > > 1) Rewrite the code > > 2) Buy better equipment > > 3) STFU > And you call me a troll ;-).... if you read the question it is not a bug just a question about how to do something (if it turns out that there is some way to improve the support for something like this I will likely do item 1) also unlike you I actually did some homework before complaining and actually tried to correct the issue before asking about it.... where is you complain endless about the same topic/issue and refuse to lift a finger to do anything to help the situation except make a huge stink -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:03:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8825A81E9 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3RqS1p7Hz3pF1 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3RqP3nVCzDv3Q for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:03:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616353409; bh=843HZxL7PbEyLCpzlsr8KRlJcXxAN42bjERCKVc7ocI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KBX5V0AWTp/d3vKg3cl7FFko/WrrraUU4DVobbAX3AcrWxeNOXuxm5yQqj6yTNuQD jHxD78vREkRHIlu8eS4B9rJk1RVqjdSiehRMfU/cxMgPH6/0+aVAkfb2AgKrztrvdK qUcys8pki0jvQM5DFuy4fFV7KsWBEIrZEddM0r/s= X-Riseup-User-ID: BE7760F5FB9F9E08ADCFC0C0F4A1A421A92FBF41C1AAA2633F483CA44841EB25 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3RqN6gPHz1yBB for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:03:28 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321200328.0c691bb1@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3RqS1p7Hz3pF1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=KBX5V0AW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:03:33 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:13:29 -0400, Jerry wrote: >It is akin to turning off the warning bell on a fire >alarm. Analogies are clumsy. You are right that a workaround isn't an optimal solution, it's just a limited path to get things done, but OTOH it probably is a help to continue using your machine, without the need of any additional struggle. Since Intel doesn't support almost all GPUs for Linux usage anymore and the only workarounds are using mainline Linux kernels by dropping the "intel" driver in favour of the "modesetting" driver, just to run into other issue, or to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, I decided to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, as long as possible. >sooner or later it will blow up in your face. Maybe, OTOH the situation might change. I might need to buy new hardware anyway, Intel and/or the Linux community might support my GPU again or I even don't want to use Linux at all, even if it should work without issues on my machine. IIUC you need USB ports for 2 input devices at this very moment and if you disable USB3, you still would get the needed USB ports. This is a starting point, since IIUC it's possible to install a new release of FreeBSD by turning of the fire siren and to build your individual configured kernel, by abandoning something that isn't a must-have at this very moment. The fire won't kill you or even take away something you currently need. If you should need an additional USB port, a workaround such as using an USB hub likely does the job, at least as a temporarily solution. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:04:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A5F5A8728 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb33.google.com (mail-yb1-xb33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3RrX011Pz3p3m for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb33.google.com with SMTP id z1so4244720ybf.6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=D8uHntqVtlZygTorKhb4QMm3jllgPdL1jcQ+u2j7gM0=; b=kDzrpFBuuQBn2xhoXa0/qF7bWiOZfokvMY/Ih1eyf9lEUkHqmQemjQ6kwEuALy/AhB yskaVOgQGMTKesGbMvBpaeqxPtxEQxFxIKfWmVzJ+7WmvCCwLLhtbY1tmyway9fuI2KQ NKW3radR/M499+OrLVVrmFKMX2skzVGdrUazucEU9Lozxj+IWQHoLLH7evseU0teKJu+ 035c6CHYprrJeYvSr/XR1k0szL6mn95V/yrc/DJCmK0Iv2ALtKu8RTQFKrBwOVLp37yF fS+Z9rvwKJoun1huedLilFIl7V+Jf7zNRTZiiEIwZPOVEqIo3vRYWDuvZSXzrxatOrWy h55w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=D8uHntqVtlZygTorKhb4QMm3jllgPdL1jcQ+u2j7gM0=; b=iJ4NzBBjqccJ+aTIx0sJ+Ps81+wulq17schXBZnwnhCG7B+HypPSJxdgtBTfxGfo5Y SHKT1AqjpUBez//NTsw+bDTWLdElacOw+pHAHENO4JWXZEWmvMEafSTTkzl7VuEuOsHE fI2e6pidS0/CnhgByb7N0gyiNdK8XIGbQrELeNOQQqGWoyjFPQSby/NfG4/yjIryFZzx yMqltABeHvkEa9wsVeAgr7wFsuZZFmRVhUr81a/HkbOmXWqu4PSlwYHK8lZGNLoLO52b sRBprHt5NOldEiu2n3rxCsgVuAZF8k+l+dZjIjTRLeQcSLHtJW0R1nMFMNhO/Ae4CT5T gv6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Wm12Ga5+qSZo0VxRTKz3BOn5iHo+XJ/DR2Tjv+kz/pIS/I+7h hqhrBYWtLGqxQBSnPqPZe67tqd5nsfvJve+XTWgK+5XOSkY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwFOaXdgT1ThzB+LXzqZOghbWxnEyqKx/VDP6PyfMbwwymfqRdOHq1XLGD0C5wq+Zr03EIgIBu/TTBy/lYHq24= X-Received: by 2002:a25:40d8:: with SMTP id n207mr19479635yba.3.1616353467060; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3RrX011Pz3p3m X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=kDzrpFBu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.95 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.954]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:04:28 -0000 On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 2:26 PM Jerry wrote: > You are a complete asshole. The simple fact the the controller in > question, and here I am assuming it is the controller, does not > function correctly under FreeBSD, versions >= 11.x, but apparently does > function under other OSs, is prima facie proof that it is not supported. > As has been pointed out *MANY* times already in the thread just because other OS's make something work by being lazy about how a standard is implemented does not mean there is nothing non-standard with any given hardware. It only means that if anything the other OS's are being less strict then they should be about how they interpret the standard thus when a OS that actually does care about that strictness and doing things "right" has a problem with the non-standard hardware it is the fault of the OS?!?!?! That is as insane as the NRA saying bullets from guns don't kill people. > I have seen zero proof that anyone is actively working on this > phenomenon. The fact the the bug was first reported over a year ago > would seem to indicate that it is not attracting any attention. The > fact that it did work once under older versions reinforces my belief > that someone screwed up the code in the newer versions. > HPS offering to look into it in detail 18 days ago with a bunch of other work done on it late last month means it is being actively worked on. HPS even asked for SSH access to the machine which is quite doable of a live CD/memstick which in itself does not require an install.... so the bottom line is you have been given many many opportunities to help out and you refuse to do any of them... the only thing you do is sit here and whine about how no one is fixing it -- how are they supposed to fix it if you refuse to at least help there testing? -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:16:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9165A8B42 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3S6r3G91z3pZp for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-173-48-64-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.64.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3S6q2Nk4zgwV for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1616354211; bh=2xKdvn2P+A47XmUyNNoxsOtwzCNNMFrxKdXFisWRNPc=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Q0eksIRlxZk91ms9D2ZOIeoYLn6T2YZBD/DhnNG64nDbVtfFZEem6wgJGfrOvEElM LbrcAludwgFcf8/1lZYgh2mn2Zkzz8GoQnAE6tS0KbUPNtxK5+5Yr2sok752DH/pq9 nzd+b9yepfFKLRgyRCUj0yl92GSVOMkpM+fycFQE= Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> From: Kurt Hackenberg Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:16:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3S6r3G91z3pZp X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=Q0eksIRl; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[166.84.1.89:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.0.0/16]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[166.84.1.89:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.48.64.3:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[panix.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[panix.com:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:16:53 -0000 On 2021/03/21 14:25, Jerry wrote: > [irritation] Jerry, 35 years of unhappy experience has shown us that the only effective way to deal with Internet flamers is to ignore them. Don't even read their messages, and, ideally, make your reader software not even show you messages from them. Usenet readers added that automatic filtering long ago, for that reason. Some mail readers can also do something like that. I suggest that you ignore Mr. Friedman. You might also moderate your tone slightly, in one way: be less absolutist. You say FreeBSD is wrong and all other OSes are right. I get the impression that it's more like this: there's an obscure hardware error, and some OSes either don't trigger it or work around it, but FreeBSD currently has a problem with it. But nobody knows for sure. Now that somebody has volunteered to debug this, maybe it will get somewhere. 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For all geeks, excepted of you, it's a joke. It's a basic requirement for every FreeBSD and Linux power user to understand the messages of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and "2001: A Space Odyssey". If you don't understand those Holy Artworks you don't belong to this mailing list. Period! 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm7549590qtj.16.2021.03.21.12.30.18 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3SQK5PmQz20hW for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:30:04 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device Message-ID: <20210321153004.00001c07@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210321143434.00004837@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/4UX/eVlxAIMD+1+pOFgBEAy"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3SQN2lP2z3qtM X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=QyOR4Qh6; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::835 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.40 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::835:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:30:21 -0000 --Sig_/4UX/eVlxAIMD+1+pOFgBEAy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:50:11 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM Jerry wrote: > >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:37:22 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: =20 >> >I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my >> >machine doesn't support UEFI. How can I get the same resolution on >> >this machine? =20 >> >> >> I am shocked, absolutely shocked. What are you a lazy cocksucker? >> >> Either: >> >> 1) Rewrite the code >> >> 2) Buy better equipment >> >> 3) STFU >> =20 > >And you call me a troll ;-).... if you read the question it is not a >bug just a question about how to do something (if it turns out that >there is some way to improve the support for something like this I >will likely do item 1) also unlike you I actually did some homework >before complaining and actually tried to correct the issue before >asking about it.... where is you complain endless about the same >topic/issue and refuse to lift a finger to do anything to help the >situation except make a huge stink I need to amend my previous assessment of you. Not only are you an asshole, but you are also a hypocrite. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/4UX/eVlxAIMD+1+pOFgBEAy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBXnsEACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXd0Ngv/b1JXMAyKvVq5gaWy51rxt6WFIJcaA32xEVqrz5nkiMl1aYc5VnJpV3E5 RtZu8rfkoDO1hpnHmExRu36qqWFOqpu3S7WFK5oMkbTFHqw1SVnya61flRgndnPA qgPkKDT0qoUjBgUVAr4rn7mD142uCbYGgO6X9NfCp3FH2lW6e9ijoBw7MpQiMNhA J4QfAzEXhaYa0UsAFkjg0181todN22NZS14F0CUqbUqMDHFFeBb4eXEhWyQkr77i w2htddxYwTP+FM9vtnOb0vZch1OHy7xayMy5rVpCeX+hLKftBgplHQRt8KRDIgPJ zfc340x3KflmvGGq3h+/zVLutIDMzGtk3RgGd/4eEGQ8ifBiLot9gKsFW3BME8me ALCqTiTBc2hUYNWLEoRsWat/n+B+5OdfmLTmEj6gIyRrkBGq4fdhPKZ0QO2CSVAg WhnX6uM10+9AEckIwLuyrvPpV52eif9O3/U4EBSFtMwybItVTE4rBERxELz+iM2l QqTQIGNA =oda6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/4UX/eVlxAIMD+1+pOFgBEAy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 19:38:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D285A9A1B for ; 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Not only are you an > asshole, but you are also a hypocrite. > Well if that is/was true I am great company since you are doing the very thing you (falsely for reasons explained before) accuse me of doing. As with most such people you are very free to say it about other people (even when it is not true) but refuse to see it in yourself. -- Aryeh M. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v4sm7761740qte.18.2021.03.21.12.49.45 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Srn1HzHz20hk for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:49:31 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321154931.00007b79@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/QV/c1Pljg+KPdEX87tJQbal"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Srq6l8bz3rcC X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=Wf8iYW7j; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::735 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.39 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::735:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::735:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.990]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::735:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:49:49 -0000 --Sig_/QV/c1Pljg+KPdEX87tJQbal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:04:16 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 2:26 PM Jerry wrote: > >> You are a complete asshole. The simple fact the the controller in >> question, and here I am assuming it is the controller, does not >> function correctly under FreeBSD, versions >=3D 11.x, but apparently >> does function under other OSs, is prima facie proof that it is not >> supported.=20 > >As has been pointed out *MANY* times already in the thread just because >other OS's make something work by being lazy about how a standard is >implemented does not mean there is nothing non-standard with any given >hardware. It only means that if anything the other OS's are being >less strict then they should be about how they interpret the standard >thus when a OS that actually does care about that strictness and doing >things "right" has a problem with the non-standard hardware it is the >fault of the OS?!?!?! That is as insane as the NRA saying bullets >from guns don't kill people. Again, and without proof, you are placing the blame on something other than FreeBSD. For the record, you are claiming that EVERY OTHER OPERATING SYSTEM IS BEING LAZY ABOUT HOW STANDARDS, (I love standards, there are so many to choose from) ARE IMPLEMENTED. Is that correct? >> I have seen zero proof that anyone is actively working on this >> phenomenon. The fact the the bug was first reported over a year ago >> would seem to indicate that it is not attracting any attention. The >> fact that it did work once under older versions reinforces my belief >> that someone screwed up the code in the newer versions. >> =20 > >HPS offering to look into it in detail 18 days ago with a bunch of >other work done on it late last month means it is being actively >worked on. HPS even asked for SSH access to the machine which is >quite doable of a live CD/memstick which in itself does not require >an install.... so the bottom line is you have been given many many >opportunities to help out and you refuse to do any of them... the only >thing you do is sit here and whine about how no one is fixing it -- >how are they supposed to fix it if you refuse to at least help there >testing? Hans Petter Selasky asked if it was possible to get access to the PC, not that he wanted access himself. I am certainly not going to allow someone to access a machine that I use in production to be butchered up. In any case, I obviously do not have a PC currently running 12.z which exhibits the phenomenon in question. Now, I have a old HP running Win 10 Pro that I need to replace. I am now thinking of moving up the time table and purchase a new higher powered PC with 64 bit memory, et ceterea, and transfer the data from the HP to the new machine. Then, install FreeBSD on the HP machine. It should work because it is 7 or 8 years old, so FreeBSD should support the older architecture. Then, move the data off the current Dell machine into the HP. Once that is up and running, I absolutely need the mail server running correctly, I will blow away the installation of FreeBSD on the Dell and try to do a fresh install of version 13. 12 will be obsolete by the time I get this all done, so no reason to mess with it. The installation will probably fail though. Once I isolate that PC from the rest of the network, he can have all the access he wants. By the way, assuming it works and he finds the solution, I demand to be listed as a contributor to FreeBSD. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r7sm7713986qtm.88.2021.03.21.13.18.24 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3TTq2yspz20j9 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:18:09 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321161809.00007226@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/fmQOdzPNayA2X8bTam1Wzm="; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3TTt2pTYz3sgq X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=X+xiboM0; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::734 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.33 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::734:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::734:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.93)[0.932]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::734:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:18:27 -0000 --Sig_/fmQOdzPNayA2X8bTam1Wzm= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:16:49 -0400, Kurt Hackenberg stated: >On 2021/03/21 14:25, Jerry wrote: > >> [irritation] =20 >Jerry, > >35 years of unhappy experience has shown us that the only effective >way to deal with Internet flamers is to ignore them. Don't even read >their messages, and, ideally, make your reader software not even show >you messages from them. Usenet readers added that automatic filtering >long ago, for that reason. Some mail readers can also do something >like that. I suggest that you ignore Mr. Friedman. > >You might also moderate your tone slightly, in one way: be less=20 >absolutist. You say FreeBSD is wrong and all other OSes are right. I >get the impression that it's more like this: there's an obscure >hardware error, and some OSes either don't trigger it or work around >it, but FreeBSD currently has a problem with it. But nobody knows for >sure. The operational words there are "know for sure". I do know it worked in versions prior to 12.x and I do know that nearly an entire version of FreeBSD will have come and gone and nobody has debugged the situation. Worse, it will be carried over to version 13. That is seriously not acceptable. I totally agree that it is an obscure problem, but that does not lessen the intensity of the problem. As I have stated before, I find it virtually impossible to believe that every other OS has magically found a way to work with the 'ASM1142 USB 3.1 Host Controller', which is what the problem seems to be, (unconfirmed) except FreeBSD. That leads to only two possible conclusions, either they fixed something that was not broken or they attempted to fix something that didn't need fixing. >Now that somebody has volunteered to debug this, maybe it will get=20 >somewhere. And maybe pigs will fly. One can only hope. Which reminds me, since they think they have identified the controller that is giving them the problem, I will be happy to buy a card with that chip and it and send it to them. I don't know if that would be suitable, but I am willing to do it. At the very least, it will be a tax deduction. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/fmQOdzPNayA2X8bTam1Wzm= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBXqggACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXdHlwv9H1tDcwzaburoRUbXtcIyxMcxo/DqGRN+vgJiaf0e3s3qx6YO31wZZUKQ 2iRizyc7sjvYGDWrRCoWZX4zOteKUSSVJUYvenDbx3ZRN/NIglI0CSDsmetmH8vE IrUiT5Feo9ck48RWNEKiao37g9ABbK2tKMjYwG+Xdon+dD4/jQR96jTqqE7ldZzf by4vVhbO08VCykyw1+fSqvqtpyrGwesp0/dkXDpQEWYKdaqAxG3nO3ditFhZPHyM KeBTXFNGwPpgAFrtXj7QDy7UMZshW3TUR4rcINergIGpurSSn+Qf3dhBEx3lknU+ 47qK1rKpZM33yn66/Td22S9O6rCETRfQjp1uqnuRnAUqECAiTYtj1T5e4nyFy7gh 1X2S3xNRSmb6YoujRaqq2vr+q3zaM4veiDpbHLKa4rY7cuUhIyCmbRzzmV5Xu+pf UZLi+JGdxa5sFODgECCNIS6K2rbaZGQCGlH9MXOpSkmmgfiywFnBI2pnluDnNatN ZL3zoy4j =E9oE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/fmQOdzPNayA2X8bTam1Wzm=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 20:18:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6BC5AA849 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3TVJ474Gz3t3H for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3TVH1ftzzDq8G for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:18:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616357927; bh=949jioPRbW9SqiSXBLRXmY3g2IipuJY6ZARujnwu+fI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=jCDv2569mys5wvKIR6+ZrQBb35MUnOikkyTJSKgjvKT9Mq+drguJ7/oFcTo2s+/S7 28ewwfQukL4q24/+5yqpMJSbDOmUCWxnyfYWf+e2wH1ToSLhgrEoGTgk7St5ze2EVh MlRb0l5XbEVPoKXoPMGmAz4xkaFf36SZTSodyCFY= X-Riseup-User-ID: E16817A0F6B291363DA4EEDF894CD0AA4A4FEA97C519A9333158F653301B453D Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3TVG4DS4z1xmR for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:18:46 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device Message-ID: <20210321211846.17464503@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <20210321143434.00004837@seibercom.net> <20210321153004.00001c07@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3TVJ474Gz3t3H X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=jCDv2569; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.55 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.953]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:18:49 -0000 Take a rest, join some popcorn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjxNnqTcHhg . Since the next one was recorded at the border of the introduction of MIDI, even the Prophet 5 shown in the video originally came without MIDI, laugh about the vision people had before the computer revolution and listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgbgUrp1a70 . Nowadays, we could do way better, but nowadays even electric guitars could easily be used to play synth without latency. My MIDIfied guitars https://i.imgur.com/6TDYQHm.jpg are seldom used as MIDI controllers. Once the vision becomes reality, it also becomes uninteresting almost all of the times. My Atari 520 ST with 4096 KiB very slow PC RAM and a 80286 hardware emulator, https://i.imgur.com/lx5pucp.jpg . Indeed, I missed the subject, but IIUC the latest threads on this list are related to self-expression and entertainment + to ignore the subjects completely. I hope I could contribute to this. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i6sm9352344qkk.31.2021.03.21.13.24.30 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3Tcs4zXZz20jG for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:24:22 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321162422.00001332@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20210321200328.0c691bb1@archlinux> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> <20210321200328.0c691bb1@archlinux> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/7mHH2sTrlLXcqZQMhqYv1fj"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3Tcw3n5tz3t7r X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=aw99Rd+e; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d:from]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.90)[0.901]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:24:33 -0000 --Sig_/7mHH2sTrlLXcqZQMhqYv1fj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:03:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf stated: >On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:13:29 -0400, Jerry wrote: >>It is akin to turning off the warning bell on a fire >>alarm. =20 > >Analogies are clumsy. You are right that a workaround isn't an optimal >solution, it's just a limited path to get things done, but OTOH it >probably is a help to continue using your machine, without the need of >any additional struggle. > >Since Intel doesn't support almost all GPUs for Linux usage anymore and >the only workarounds are using mainline Linux kernels by dropping the >"intel" driver in favour of the "modesetting" driver, just to run into >other issue, or to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, I >decided to build longterm supported older Linux kernels, as long as >possible. > >>sooner or later it will blow up in your face. =20 > >Maybe, OTOH the situation might change. I might need to buy new >hardware anyway, Intel and/or the Linux community might support my GPU >again or I even don't want to use Linux at all, even if it should work >without issues on my machine. > >IIUC you need USB ports for 2 input devices at this very moment and if >you disable USB3, you still would get the needed USB ports. > >This is a starting point, since IIUC it's possible to install a >new release of FreeBSD by turning of the fire siren and to build your >individual configured kernel, by abandoning something that isn't a >must-have at this very moment. The fire won't kill you or even take >away something you currently need. If you should need an additional USB >port, a workaround such as using an USB hub likely does the job, at >least as a temporarily solution. I require, at any given time, a minimum of four fully functional USB ports. Now, 3.x ports are not absolutely necessary; however, I am paying for them so I sort of would like for them to work. Otherwise, it is like buying a Ferrari and never exceeding 40 MPH. A total waste if you get the idea. 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PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:34:27 -0000 You should of read the actual initial post since it asked a real question before it got hijacked On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 4:18 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Take a rest, join some popcorn > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjxNnqTcHhg . > > Since the next one was recorded at the border of the introduction of > MIDI, even the Prophet 5 shown in the video originally came without > MIDI, laugh about the vision people had before the computer > revolution and listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgbgUrp1a70 . > > Nowadays, we could do way better, but nowadays even electric guitars > could easily be used to play synth without latency. My MIDIfied guitars > https://i.imgur.com/6TDYQHm.jpg are seldom used as MIDI controllers. > Once the vision becomes reality, it also becomes uninteresting almost > all of the times. > > My Atari 520 ST with 4096 KiB very slow PC RAM and a 80286 hardware > emulator, https://i.imgur.com/lx5pucp.jpg . > > Indeed, I missed the subject, but IIUC the latest threads on this > list are related to self-expression and entertainment + to ignore the > subjects completely. > > I hope I could contribute to this. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 20:35:19 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8A45AAFF6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3TsL2XM1z3vDd for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37232488A3 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:35:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yu7bEgnL_TUZ for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 628ED4855E; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:35:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1616358908; bh=yi+2vTd7jHRyM9gDk8Q+UNg4QXU+pBrXy7FeKqvLxIs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=BrvtAJUOanRD97ppdammQkingrP7PrQ2biXlIjh3AldlimGUjPwYI8kpHTIop+lW1 Fl+smjvUQ9zfoitee7946/LyVZfE+Kjtk+1lwdTJptYBm/C9RKzdNXeDrEYzeaAdfT uq/6Sk1wTnv/zyg2bcNF7QsLv/eRRd9tJFc0ErfQ= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:434:44e0:ea6a:64ff:fe07:95a1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A4EC48273; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:35:06 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1616358906; bh=yi+2vTd7jHRyM9gDk8Q+UNg4QXU+pBrXy7FeKqvLxIs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=jwnk7brZ0Eshrq+9PhuGwC/CQ7fObEOqaLrPpdVwiXK40Gvp+B25bzCypwNbacntR Kf855YjkPnOapVlFTrMOAKjJtROTdC2WKvnPsVG6bD7Ufp1gXfOqFmDqNeTdjZGb+S HDltBosEBHtstq8Mq5OeB/G4VpcGR/uoJ8M1sSUE= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABFED1025B; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:35:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:35:04 +0100 From: Jacques Foucry To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Ralf Mardorf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210321143434.00004837@seibercom.net> <20210321153004.00001c07@seibercom.net> <20210321211846.17464503@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20210321211846.17464503@archlinux> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3TsL2XM1z3vDd X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=BrvtAJUO; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=jwnk7brZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.44 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[95.217.83.231:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[95.217.83.231:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_MIXED_CHARSET(0.56)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:35:19 -0000 Le dimanche 21 mars 2021 à 21:18:46 (+0100), Ralf Mardorf à écrit: > Take a rest, join some popcorn > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjxNnqTcHhg . I do prefer this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvDvTnTGjgQ -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 20:45:23 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889955ABC06 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3V4y4s6Vz3vdc for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:45:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3V4r3fs2zDv3l for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616359520; bh=qsenBU0AlAYzPORQ61wkMCf5/RvhRhbSOW4OC7+3mwE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=kGpjrKPVpgBB3bADc71xJ9zQeBXUJkLVyHa/5iOYoxU1fo0TnZHQY2gvmuOu8iHC1 4dusiMuksyU7o5cVwCW5BJQZo7Zs9BgChtCU7jBYwq1fDhhT0WpmoQQxgC9HfWkOmA tOLPgL+l7FCFZRkNieJeQzzLtf8VwA7VgLXB3JvU= X-Riseup-User-ID: 7BDDC3305420ED8FDF6934EF4E2F1DFF6E5EF21F3F13FF119FC51E72C4539592 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3V4q67Zfz5wWp for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:45:15 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321214515.15b49306@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210321162422.00001332@seibercom.net> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20210321141329.00003be0@seibercom.net> <20210321200328.0c691bb1@archlinux> <20210321162422.00001332@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3V4y4s6Vz3vdc X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=kGpjrKPV; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:45:23 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:24:22 -0400, Jerry wrote: >Now, 3.x ports are not absolutely necessary; however, I am paying for >them so I sort of would like for them to work. Otherwise, it is like >buying a Ferrari and never exceeding 40 MPH. A total waste if you get >the idea. Forward to 16:00 to see the power boat that is only allowed to go 5 miles/hour: https://www.southpark.de/en/episodes/9vau76/south-park-i-should-have-never-gone-ziplining-season-16-ep-6 IIRC the German version, it was mention that the "speed boat" never "exceeded" 5 km/h. 40 MPH are better than 5 MPH ;). That's life. >However, the path you have mentioned is one I am considering. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 20:48:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD775ABB4F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3V8t2d45z3vw4 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d6ba3594; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:48:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.12]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a6bd7471; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:48:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7ee0485c; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:48:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 87557496 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:48:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:48:39 -0400 From: LuMiWa To: Jerry Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210321164839.06b1df80@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20210321161809.00007226@seibercom.net> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> <20210321120633.00004136@seibercom.net> <20210321142553.000046d6@seibercom.net> <20210321161809.00007226@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3V8t2d45z3vw4 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:48:47 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:18:09 -0400 Jerry wrote: Mr. Jerry, First I thought that we are drinking in the pub but no... I was long time in research - genetics and no more work and enjoying rest of the life. And my story: long time ago I started with DOS on to 286 with 1 MB of ram and 50 MG Quantum HD as I hobby. Than I found OS/2 which I love it but the end came with WARP and I star with Linux. I forgot which was firs, Debian or Slackware. I learn a little Pascale (it was must on the university), learn Python which I use for work and and R and enjoy with GIMP from the first version. And in all those years I had all the time my built of kernel (and I am not smart with computers), FreeBSD from version 6?? works for me as a desktop/workstation. Am I angry/mad sometimes because something doesn't work? Yes, I am but I never blame developers and title them with assholes. I had some problem with my graphics card but I am using my wife computer in this case and do not blame developers. If will be something important for my work and FreeBSD is not good enough I will buy Apple or Windows computer. Have a good night. --=20 =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and l= ess and less meaning.=E2=80=9D Jean Baudrillard From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 20:52:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D365ABE4E for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3VF06L5Zz3w86 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:52:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12LKqCTm050335 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: problems upgrading mysql 5.6 => 5.7 Message-ID: <48b6f3cd-d884-f414-d720-a94e8b27f3b1@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:52:12 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:52:13 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3VF06L5Zz3w86 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:52:21 -0000 I'm revisiting a problem I never solved a year ago... 11.4 RELEASE mysql 5.6 was upgraded to 5.7 as a result of a libreoffice install. I've never been able to use it (mysql) since due to problems upgrading the dbs. mysqld was always started from a user account (I think...) The dbs are (I think) in their state prior to the mysql upgrade. I'm trying to follow the upgrade instructions at https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/upgrade-binary-package.html When attempting to upgrade in place, the first step is to start the server, but when doing so I get an access error: $ mysqld [Note] mysqld (mysqld 5.7.32-log) starting as process 11334 ... [Warning] One can only use the --user switch if running as root ... [Note] InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool [ERROR] InnoDB: The innodb_system data file 'ibdata1' must be writable ... [ERROR] Aborting $ cat ~/.my.cnf: [mysqld] datadir=/hd2/home/me/mysql_data tmpdir=/hd2/home/me/tmp innodb_strict_mode=on The data directory is writable by the user starting mysqld, as are all of the files in it: $ ls -l -rw------- 1 me me 56 Oct 15 2016 auto.cnf -rw-r----- 1 me me 10040 Mar 21 12:47 breakaway.dreamchaser.org.err -rw------- 1 me me 5 Jan 7 2020 breakaway.pid -rw------- 1 me me 50331648 Feb 6 2020 ib_logfile0 -rw------- 1 me me 50331648 Oct 15 2016 ib_logfile1 -rw------- 1 me me 27262976 Feb 6 2020 ibdata1 drwx------ 2 me me 2560 Oct 15 2016 mysql -rw------- 1 me me 0 Feb 8 2020 mysql-bin.index -rw------- 1 me me 6 Oct 15 2016 mysql_upgrade_info drwx------ 2 me me 2560 Oct 15 2016 performance_schema The system directory /var/db/mysqld exists and is owned/writeable by the mysql user, as are all of the files in it. mysqld is not writing the .err file in the user mysql_data directory. However, if I use mysqld_safe it fails with the same error, but writes everything to the .err file. It appears to be reading ~/.my.cnf properly; if I remove the tmpdir line it complains about not being able to write the temp file: mysqld: Can't create/write to file '/var/db/mysql_tmpdir/ibCm5Ujq' (Errcode: 13 - Permission denied) Any ideas what's going on? Everything I've searched for implies the permissions aren't set properly, but I don't see that. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 20:53:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728E95AC293 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpg.telissant.net (smtpg.telissant.net [104.225.1.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3VGC5N7tz3wFh for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from sacada.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3VG558kyz2D1r8 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:53:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpg.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by sacada.3dresearch.com (sacada.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SmftvIMeJ1DM for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffrescue.3dresearch.com (unknown [71.112.240.190]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: buffrescue@sacada.3dresearch.com) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F3VG52S82z2D1r6 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffrescue.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffrescue.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AD28950491 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:52:25 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: /usr/src revision number Message-Id: <20210321165225.11fa1f5559373032ea629412@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3VGC5N7tz3wFh X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of web@3dresearch.com designates 104.225.1.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=web@3dresearch.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ENVFROM_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.112.240.190:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[104.225.1.73:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:104.225.1.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[3dresearch.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[104.225.1.73:from:127.0.2.255]; FROM_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:53:24 -0000 Hello, with svn(1) it was easy to compare the revision number of the updated /usr/src with the installed version of FreeBSD. For example: # svn info /usr/src Path: . Working Copy Root Path: /usr/src URL: svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/12 Relative URL: ^/stable/12 Repository Root: svn://svn.freebsd.org/base Repository UUID: ccf9f872-aa2e-dd11-9fc8-001c23d0bc1f Revision: 369499 Node Kind: directory Schedule: normal Last Changed Author: git2svn Last Changed Rev: 369499 Last Changed Date: 2021-03-21 11:54:54 -0400 (Sun, 21 Mar 2021) # uname -v FreeBSD 12.2-STABLE r368820 TURTLE2021010401 Now on my laptop I have: # uname -v FreeBSD 13.0-RC2 #0 releng/13.0-n244684-13c22f74953 Since I'd like to update to RC3, I did: 'git clone -b stable/13 --depth 1 https://git.freebsd.org/src.git /usr/src' How can I find what "revision" do I have now in /usr/src and how can I see if it is an increment compared to the installed kernel/userland? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 20:55:43 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704625AC33F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:55:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kldunn@hiwaay.net) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (mail.hiwaay.net [216.180.158.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3VJt5Lffz4Qv0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kldunn@hiwaay.net) Received: (qmail 61066 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2021 20:55:36 -0000 Received: from 50-83-57-148.client.mchsi.com (HELO backus-w.kad-hg.org) (kldunn@hiwaay.net@50.83.57.148) by mail.hiwaay.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) SMTP (c8c57a34-8a87-11eb-8e0a-bb6cc44b5ee1); Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:55:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:55:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Karl Dunn Reply-To: Karl Dunn To: FreeBSD Mailing List , Aryeh Friedman Subject: Re: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-ID: <174d12e-67d9-b44d-6da3-25b4fe81b9be@backus.kad-hg.org> X-MagicMail-OS: FreeBSD 9.x or newer X-MagicMail-UUID: c8c57a34-8a87-11eb-8e0a-bb6cc44b5ee1 X-MagicMail-Authenticated: kldunn@hiwaay.net X-MagicMail-SourceIP: 50.83.57.148 X-MagicMail-RegexMatch: 1 X-MagicMail-EnvelopeFrom: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3VJt5Lffz4Qv0 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kldunn@hiwaay.net has no SPF policy when checking 216.180.158.37) smtp.mailfrom=kldunn@hiwaay.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.00 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[kldunn@hiwaay.net]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; CTYPE_MIXED_BOGUS(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[freebsd.org,gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[216.180.158.37:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:395532, ipnet:216.180.158.0/23, country:US]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hiwaay.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[216.180.158.37:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:55:43 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:14 PM Karl Dunn wrote: > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my machine > > doesn't support UEFI.  How can I get the same resolution on this machine? > > > > Some things I have already tried/other notes: > > > > * I have a nVidia card using x11/nvidia-driver-390 (card not supported on > > newer drivers) > > * There is no on board video on the MB > > * I have played with the settings suggested in vt(4), sc(4) and > > vidcontrol(1) > > > > Here is my current /boot/loader.conf: > > > > kern.vt.fb.modes="3840x2160" > > kern.vty=vt > > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > linux_load="YES" > > fuse_load="YES" > > > > -- > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > Can you post output from dmesg and pciconf -lv? Sorry for this "middle post". This is kinda long already. Here is a really wild guess: How about this in loader.conf: kern.vt.fb.default_mode="3840x2160" in place of the fb.modes spec you have. I think kern.vt.fb.modes has to name a specific device, e.g. kern.vt.fb.modes.VGA-1=""3840x2160". Thanks for posting the stuff below. I gave it a good hard look, but came up empty for ideas. Maybe somebody else? -- Karl L. Dunn kldunn@hiwaay.net > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2020 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. > FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p3 r369222 GENERIC amd64 > FreeBSD clang version 10.0.1 (git@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git > llvmorg-10.0.1-0-gef32c611aa2) > VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor             (3400.09-MHz K8-class CPU) >   Origin="AuthenticAMD"  Id=0x800f82  Family=0x17  Model=0x8  Stepping=2 >  Features=0x178bfbff 36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT> >  Features2=0x7ed8320b SAVE,OSXSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND> >   AMD Features=0x2e500800 >   AMDFeatures2=0x35c233ff Topology,PCXC,PNXC,DBE,PL2I,MWAITX> >   Structured Extended > Features=0x209c01a9 >   XSAVE Features=0xf >   AMD Extended Feature Extensions ID EBX=0x1007 >   SVM: NP,NRIP,VClean,AFlush,DAssist,NAsids=32768 >   TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics > real memory  = 25769803776 (24576 MB) > avail memory = 24932970496 (23777 MB) > Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 > ACPI APIC Table: > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 12 CPUs > FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 cache groups x 3 core(s) x 2 hardware threads > random: unblocking device. > ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard > ioapic1 irqs 24-55 on motherboard > Launching APs: 10 4 5 1 2 6 3 9 7 11 8 > Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 1700042925 Hz quality 1000 > random: entropy device external interface > kbd1 at kbdmux0 > 000.000023 [4336] netmap_init               netmap: loaded module > [ath_hal] loaded > module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff81114e40, 0) error 19 > random: registering fast source Intel Secure Key RNG > random: fast provider: "Intel Secure Key RNG" > nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms  390.141  Mon > Dec 28 16:15:27 UTC 2020 > nexus0 > vtvga0: on motherboard > cryptosoft0: on motherboard > acpi0: on motherboard > acpi0: Power Button (fixed) > cpu0: on acpi0 > attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on acpi0 > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 > atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 on acpi0 > atrtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s > Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 > hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff irq 0,8 on acpi0 > Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 > Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 > Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 > Event timer "HPET2" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 > Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 > acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 > pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 > pci0: on pcib0 > pci0: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) > pcib1: at device 1.3 on pci0 > pci1: on pcib1 > xhci0: mem 0xf73a0000-0xf73a7fff irq 32 at device 0.0 > on pci1 > xhci0: 32 bytes context size, 64-bit DMA > xhci0: Unable to map MSI-X table > usbus0 on xhci0 > usbus0: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0 > ahci0: mem 0xf7380000-0xf739ffff irq 33 at device 0.1 on pci1 > ahci0: AHCI v1.31 with 8 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported > ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 > ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 > ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 > ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 > pcib2: irq 34 at device 0.2 on pci1 > pci2: on pcib2 > pcib3: irq 32 at device 0.0 on pci2 > pci3: on pcib3 > pcib4: irq 33 at device 1.0 on pci2 > pci4: on pcib4 > re0: port 0xf000-0xf0ff mem > 0xf7204000-0xf7204fff,0xf7200000-0xf7203fff irq 33 at device 0.0 on pci4 > re0: Using 1 MSI-X message > re0: Chip rev. 0x54000000 > re0: MAC rev. 0x00100000 > miibus0: on re0 > rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 > rgephy0:  none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, > 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, 1000baseT-FDX-flow, > 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow > re0: Using defaults for TSO: 65518/35/2048 > re0: Ethernet address: 00:d8:61:78:d4:9c > re0: netmap queues/slots: TX 1/256, RX 1/256 > pcib5: irq 32 at device 4.0 on pci2 > pci5: on pcib5 > vgapci0: port 0xe000-0xe07f mem > 0xf6000000-0xf6ffffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff,0xf0000000-0xf1ffffff irq 32 at device 0.0 on > pci5 > nvidia0: on vgapci0 > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > vgapci0: Boot video device > hdac0: mem 0xf7080000-0xf7083fff irq 33 at device 0.1 on > pci5 > pcib6: at device 7.1 on pci0 > pci6: on pcib6 > pci6: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) > pci6: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) > xhci1: mem 0xf7500000-0xf75fffff irq 37 at device 0.3 > on pci6 > xhci1: 64 bytes context size, 64-bit DMA > xhci1: Unable to map MSI-X table > usbus1 on xhci1 > usbus1: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0 > pcib7: at device 8.1 on pci0 > pci7: on pcib7 > pci7: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) > ahci1: mem 0xf7808000-0xf7808fff irq 42 at device 0.2 on > pci7 > ahci1: AHCI v1.31 with 1 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported with FBS > ahcich8: at channel 0 on ahci1 > hdac1: mem 0xf7800000-0xf7807fff irq 43 at device 0.3 on pci7 > isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > acpi_button0: on acpi0 > uart2: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedc9000-0xfedc9fff,0xfedc7000-0xfedc7fff irq 3 > on acpi0 > uart3: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedca000-0xfedcafff,0xfedc8000-0xfedc8fff irq 4 > on acpi0 > uart4: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedce000-0xfedcefff,0xfedcc000-0xfedccfff irq 3 > on acpi0 > uart5: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem 0xfedcf000-0xfedcffff,0xfedcd000-0xfedcdfff irq 4 > on acpi0 > uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > atkbdc0: non-PNP ISA device will be removed from GENERIC in FreeBSD 12. > hwpstate0: on cpu0 > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 > hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 > pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 > pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 > hdacc1: at cad 0 on hdac1 > hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc1 > pcm2: at nid 20,22,21,23 and 24,26 on hdaa1 > pcm3: at nid 27 and 25 on hdaa1 > ugen1.1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB> at usbus1 > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada1s1a [rw]... > ugen0.1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB> at usbus0 > Root mount waiting for: usbus0 CAM usbus1 > ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > ada0: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device > ada0: Serial Number 20070110240883 > ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) > ada0: Command Queueing enabled > ada0: 976762MB (2000409264 512 byte sectors) > uhub0: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus1 > uhub1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus0 > ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 > ada1: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device > ada1: Serial Number 19070910240135 > ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) > ada1: Command Queueing enabled > ada1: 976762MB (2000409264 512 byte sectors) > uhub0: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered > uhub1: 22 ports with 22 removable, self powered > Root mount waiting for: usbus0 > ugen0.2: at usbus0 > uhub2 on uhub1 > uhub2: on usbus0 > uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered > Root mount waiting for: usbus0 > ugen0.3: at usbus0 > ukbd0 on uhub2 > ukbd0: on usbus0 > kbd2 at ukbd0 > Root mount waiting for: usbus0 > ugen0.4: at usbus0 > mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada1s1a... > intsmb0: at device 20.0 on pci0 > smbus0: on intsmb0 > lo0: link state changed to UP > re0: link state changed to DOWN > uhid0 on uhub2 > uhid0: on usbus0 > ums0 on uhub2 > ums0: on usbus0 > ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 > re0: link state changed to UP > AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 > driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) > ivhd0: on acpi0 > ivhd0: Flag:b0 > ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 > ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada HATS = 0x2 GATS = 0x0 > GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 DualPortLogSup = 0x2 DualEventLogSup > = 0x2 > ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f DevTblSegSup = 0x3 MarcSup = > 0x1 > ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 > ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff > ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 > bridge0: Ethernet address: 02:06:fa:65:3d:00 > re0: promiscuous mode enabled > bridge0: link state changed to UP > ================ CUT HERE =========== > hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14501022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Root Complex' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > none0@pci0:0:0:2: class=0x080600 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14511022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) I/O Memory Management Unit' >     class      = base peripheral >     subclass   = IOMMU > hostb1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > pcib1@pci0:0:1:3: class=0x060400 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14531022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe GPP Bridge' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = PCI-PCI > hostb2@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb3@pci0:0:3:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb4@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb5@pci0:0:7:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > pcib6@pci0:0:7:1: class=0x060400 card=0x14627c02 chip=0x14541022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to Bus B' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = PCI-PCI > hostb6@pci0:0:8:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > pcib7@pci0:0:8:1: class=0x060400 card=0x14627c02 chip=0x14541022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to Bus B' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = PCI-PCI > intsmb0@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x790b1022 rev=0x59 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'FCH SMBus Controller' >     class      = serial bus >     subclass   = SMBus > isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x790e1022 rev=0x51 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'FCH LPC Bridge' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = PCI-ISA > hostb7@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14601022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 0' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb8@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14611022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 1' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb9@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14621022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 2' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb10@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14631022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 3' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb11@pci0:0:24:4: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14641022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 4' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb12@pci0:0:24:5: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14651022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 5' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb13@pci0:0:24:6: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14661022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 6' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > hostb14@pci0:0:24:7: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14671022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 7' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = HOST-PCI > xhci0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x0c0330 card=0x11421b21 chip=0x43d51022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = '400 Series Chipset USB 3.1 XHCI Controller' >     class      = serial bus >     subclass   = USB > ahci0@pci0:3:0:1: class=0x010601 card=0x10621b21 chip=0x43c81022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = '400 Series Chipset SATA Controller' >     class      = mass storage >     subclass   = SATA > pcib2@pci0:3:0:2: class=0x060400 card=0x02011b21 chip=0x43c61022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Bridge' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = PCI-PCI > pcib3@pci0:32:0:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = PCI-PCI > pcib4@pci0:32:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = PCI-PCI > pcib5@pci0:32:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' >     class      = bridge >     subclass   = PCI-PCI > re0@pci0:34:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x816810ec rev=0x15 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' >     device     = 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' >     class      = network >     subclass   = ethernet > vgapci0@pci0:37:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x85f51043 chip=0x1d0110de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'NVIDIA Corporation' >     device     = 'GP108 [GeForce GT 1030]' >     class      = display >     subclass   = VGA > hdac0@pci0:37:0:1: class=0x040300 card=0x85f51043 chip=0x0fb810de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'NVIDIA Corporation' >     device     = 'GP108 High Definition Audio Controller' >     class      = multimedia >     subclass   = HDA > none1@pci0:38:0:0: class=0x130000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x145a1022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Zeppelin/Raven/Raven2 PCIe Dummy Function' >     class      = non-essential instrumentation > none2@pci0:38:0:2: class=0x108000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14561022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Platform Security Processor' >     class      = encrypt/decrypt > xhci1@pci0:38:0:3: class=0x0c0330 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x145f1022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Zeppelin USB 3.0 Host controller' >     class      = serial bus >     subclass   = USB > none3@pci0:39:0:0: class=0x130000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14551022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Zeppelin/Renoir PCIe Dummy Function' >     class      = non-essential instrumentation > ahci1@pci0:39:0:2: class=0x010601 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x79011022 rev=0x51 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode]' >     class      = mass storage >     subclass   = SATA > hdac1@pci0:39:0:3: class=0x040300 card=0xec021462 chip=0x14571022 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 >     vendor     = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' >     device     = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) HD Audio Controller' >     class      = multimedia >     subclass   = HDA >   > > What model of Nvidia card?  (dmesg/pciconf may not show that) > > > GT1030 > > > Not sure the above will help, but it >might<. > > WRT "resolution": X, and/or the text font/size on the login console? > >   -- > Karl L. Dunn > kldunn@hiwaay.net > > > > -- > Aryeh M. 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The simple fact the the controller in > >> question, and here I am assuming it is the controller, does not > >> function correctly under FreeBSD, versions >= 11.x, but apparently > >> does function under other OSs, is prima facie proof that it is not > >> supported. > > > >As has been pointed out *MANY* times already in the thread just because > >other OS's make something work by being lazy about how a standard is > >implemented does not mean there is nothing non-standard with any given > >hardware. It only means that if anything the other OS's are being > >less strict then they should be about how they interpret the standard > >thus when a OS that actually does care about that strictness and doing > >things "right" has a problem with the non-standard hardware it is the > >fault of the OS?!?!?! That is as insane as the NRA saying bullets > >from guns don't kill people. > > Again, and without proof, you are placing the blame on something other > than FreeBSD. For the record, you are claiming that EVERY OTHER > OPERATING SYSTEM IS BEING LAZY ABOUT HOW STANDARDS, (I love standards, > there are so many to choose from) ARE IMPLEMENTED. Is that correct? > Similar issues have been reported with the same control in other OS's (Linux *AND* Windows) and they are still actively being worked on. Here is a random sampling of said reports: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe/+bug/1878020 https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/iaxqal/userfriendly_workaround_for_amd_reset_bug_windows/ https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202541 So stop your gaslighting about how it is only FreeBSD that has a problem with this obviously non-standard piece of hardware. The bottom line is 11.X likely was too lax on stuff and after making it be more strict about standards did such a non-standard piece of hardware get exposed as being non-standard. -- Aryeh M. 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How can I get the same resolution on this > machine? > > > > > > Some things I have already tried/other notes: > > > > > > * I have a nVidia card using x11/nvidia-driver-390 (card not > supported on > > > newer drivers) > > > * There is no on board video on the MB > > > * I have played with the settings suggested in vt(4), sc(4) and > > > vidcontrol(1) > > > > > > Here is my current /boot/loader.conf: > > > > > > kern.vt.fb.modes="3840x2160" > > > kern.vty=vt > > > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > > linux_load="YES" > > > fuse_load="YES" > > > > > > -- > > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > Can you post output from dmesg and pciconf -lv? > > Sorry for this "middle post". This is kinda long already. Here is a > really wild guess: > > How about this in loader.conf: > > kern.vt.fb.default_mode="3840x2160" > > in place of the fb.modes spec you have. I think kern.vt.fb.modes has to > name a specific device, e.g. kern.vt.fb.modes.VGA-1=""3840x2160". > No go I tried all the obvious devices listed in /dev and all resolutions between 640x480 and the one listed above and no change in resolution with any of the combos > Thanks for posting the stuff below. I gave it a good hard look, but came > up empty for ideas. Maybe somebody else? > > -- > Karl L. Dunn > kldunn@hiwaay.net > > > > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2020 The FreeBSD Project. > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > > FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. > > FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p3 r369222 GENERIC amd64 > > FreeBSD clang version 10.0.1 (git@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git > > llvmorg-10.0.1-0-gef32c611aa2) > > VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > > CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 Six-Core Processor (3400.09-MHz > K8-class CPU) > > Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x800f82 Family=0x17 Model=0x8 Stepping=2 > > > Features=0x178bfbff > 36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT> > > > Features2=0x7ed8320b > SAVE,OSXSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND> > > AMD Features=0x2e500800 > > > AMDFeatures2=0x35c233ff > Topology,PCXC,PNXC,DBE,PL2I,MWAITX> > > Structured Extended > > > Features=0x209c01a9 > > XSAVE Features=0xf > > AMD Extended Feature Extensions ID EBX=0x1007 > > SVM: NP,NRIP,VClean,AFlush,DAssist,NAsids=32768 > > TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics > > real memory = 25769803776 (24576 MB) > > avail memory = 24932970496 (23777 MB) > > Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 > > ACPI APIC Table: > > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 12 CPUs > > FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 cache groups x 3 core(s) x 2 hardware > threads > > random: unblocking device. > > ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard > > ioapic1 irqs 24-55 on motherboard > > Launching APs: 10 4 5 1 2 6 3 9 7 11 8 > > Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 1700042925 Hz quality 1000 > > random: entropy device external interface > > kbd1 at kbdmux0 > > 000.000023 [4336] netmap_init netmap: loaded module > > [ath_hal] loaded > > module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff81114e40, 0) error 19 > > random: registering fast source Intel Secure Key RNG > > random: fast provider: "Intel Secure Key RNG" > > nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX > platforms 390.141 Mon > > Dec 28 16:15:27 UTC 2020 > > nexus0 > > vtvga0: on motherboard > > cryptosoft0: on motherboard > > acpi0: on motherboard > > acpi0: Power Button (fixed) > > cpu0: on acpi0 > > attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on acpi0 > > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > > Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 > > atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 on acpi0 > > atrtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s > > Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 > > hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff irq 0,8 > on acpi0 > > Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 > > Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 > > Event timer "HPET1" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 > > Event timer "HPET2" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 350 > > Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 > > acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 > > pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 > > pci0: on pcib0 > > pci0: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) > > pcib1: at device 1.3 on pci0 > > pci1: on pcib1 > > xhci0: mem 0xf73a0000-0xf73a7fff irq > 32 at device 0.0 > > on pci1 > > xhci0: 32 bytes context size, 64-bit DMA > > xhci0: Unable to map MSI-X table > > usbus0 on xhci0 > > usbus0: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0 > > ahci0: mem 0xf7380000-0xf739ffff irq 33 at device > 0.1 on pci1 > > ahci0: AHCI v1.31 with 8 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported > > ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0 > > ahcich1: at channel 1 on ahci0 > > ahcich4: at channel 4 on ahci0 > > ahcich5: at channel 5 on ahci0 > > pcib2: irq 34 at device 0.2 on pci1 > > pci2: on pcib2 > > pcib3: irq 32 at device 0.0 on pci2 > > pci3: on pcib3 > > pcib4: irq 33 at device 1.0 on pci2 > > pci4: on pcib4 > > re0: port > 0xf000-0xf0ff mem > > 0xf7204000-0xf7204fff,0xf7200000-0xf7203fff irq 33 at device 0.0 on pci4 > > re0: Using 1 MSI-X message > > re0: Chip rev. 0x54000000 > > re0: MAC rev. 0x00100000 > > miibus0: on re0 > > rgephy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 > > rgephy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 10baseT-FDX-flow, 100baseTX, > 100baseTX-FDX, > > 100baseTX-FDX-flow, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, > 1000baseT-FDX-flow, > > 1000baseT-FDX-flow-master, auto, auto-flow > > re0: Using defaults for TSO: 65518/35/2048 > > re0: Ethernet address: 00:d8:61:78:d4:9c > > re0: netmap queues/slots: TX 1/256, RX 1/256 > > pcib5: irq 32 at device 4.0 on pci2 > > pci5: on pcib5 > > vgapci0: port 0xe000-0xe07f mem > > 0xf6000000-0xf6ffffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff,0xf0000000-0xf1ffffff irq 32 > at device 0.0 on > > pci5 > > nvidia0: on vgapci0 > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > vgapci0: Boot video device > > hdac0: mem 0xf7080000-0xf7083fff irq 33 > at device 0.1 on > > pci5 > > pcib6: at device 7.1 on pci0 > > pci6: on pcib6 > > pci6: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) > > pci6: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) > > xhci1: mem 0xf7500000-0xf75fffff irq > 37 at device 0.3 > > on pci6 > > xhci1: 64 bytes context size, 64-bit DMA > > xhci1: Unable to map MSI-X table > > usbus1 on xhci1 > > usbus1: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0 > > pcib7: at device 8.1 on pci0 > > pci7: on pcib7 > > pci7: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) > > ahci1: mem 0xf7808000-0xf7808fff irq > 42 at device 0.2 on > > pci7 > > ahci1: AHCI v1.31 with 1 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier supported with FBS > > ahcich8: at channel 0 on ahci1 > > hdac1: mem 0xf7800000-0xf7807fff irq 43 at > device 0.3 on pci7 > > isab0: at device 20.3 on pci0 > > isa0: on isab0 > > acpi_button0: on acpi0 > > uart2: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem > 0xfedc9000-0xfedc9fff,0xfedc7000-0xfedc7fff irq 3 > > on acpi0 > > uart3: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem > 0xfedca000-0xfedcafff,0xfedc8000-0xfedc8fff irq 4 > > on acpi0 > > uart4: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem > 0xfedce000-0xfedcefff,0xfedcc000-0xfedccfff irq 3 > > on acpi0 > > uart5: <16x50 with 256 byte FIFO> iomem > 0xfedcf000-0xfedcffff,0xfedcd000-0xfedcdfff irq 4 > > on acpi0 > > uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 > > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > > kbd0 at atkbd0 > > atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] > > atkbdc0: non-PNP ISA device will be removed from GENERIC in FreeBSD 12. > > hwpstate0: on cpu0 > > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > > hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 > > hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 > > pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 > > pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 > > hdacc1: at cad 0 on hdac1 > > hdaa1: at nid 1 on hdacc1 > > pcm2: at nid 20,22,21,23 and > 24,26 on hdaa1 > > pcm3: at nid 27 and 25 on hdaa1 > > ugen1.1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB> at usbus1 > > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada1s1a [rw]... > > ugen0.1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB> at usbus0 > > Root mount waiting for: usbus0 CAM usbus1 > > ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > > ada0: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device > > ada0: Serial Number 20070110240883 > > ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) > > ada0: Command Queueing enabled > > ada0: 976762MB (2000409264 512 byte sectors) > > uhub0: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus1 > > uhub1: <0x1022 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus0 > > ada1 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 > > ada1: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device > > ada1: Serial Number 19070910240135 > > ada1: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) > > ada1: Command Queueing enabled > > ada1: 976762MB (2000409264 512 byte sectors) > > uhub0: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered > > uhub1: 22 ports with 22 removable, self powered > > Root mount waiting for: usbus0 > > ugen0.2: at usbus0 > > uhub2 on uhub1 > > uhub2: > on usbus0 > > uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered > > Root mount waiting for: usbus0 > > ugen0.3: at usbus0 > > ukbd0 on uhub2 > > ukbd0: on usbus0 > > kbd2 at ukbd0 > > Root mount waiting for: usbus0 > > ugen0.4: at usbus0 > > mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada1s1a... > > intsmb0: at device 20.0 on pci0 > > smbus0: on intsmb0 > > lo0: link state changed to UP > > re0: link state changed to DOWN > > uhid0 on uhub2 > > uhid0: on usbus0 > > ums0 on uhub2 > > ums0: on > usbus0 > > ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 > > re0: link state changed to UP > > AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 > > driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) > > ivhd0: on acpi0 > > ivhd0: Flag:b0 > > ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 > > ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada HATS = > 0x2 GATS = 0x0 > > GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 DualPortLogSup = > 0x2 DualEventLogSup > > = 0x2 > > ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f > DevTblSegSup = 0x3 MarcSup = > > 0x1 > > ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 > > ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff > > ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 > > bridge0: Ethernet address: 02:06:fa:65:3d:00 > > re0: promiscuous mode enabled > > bridge0: link state changed to UP > > ================ CUT HERE =========== > > hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14501022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Root Complex' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > none0@pci0:0:0:2: class=0x080600 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14511022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) I/O Memory Management Unit' > > class = base peripheral > > subclass = IOMMU > > hostb1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > pcib1@pci0:0:1:3: class=0x060400 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14531022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe GPP Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-PCI > > hostb2@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb3@pci0:0:3:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb4@pci0:0:4:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb5@pci0:0:7:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > pcib6@pci0:0:7:1: class=0x060400 card=0x14627c02 chip=0x14541022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 > to Bus B' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-PCI > > hostb6@pci0:0:8:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14521022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-1fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > pcib7@pci0:0:8:1: class=0x060400 card=0x14627c02 chip=0x14541022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 > to Bus B' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-PCI > > intsmb0@pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0500 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x790b1022 > rev=0x59 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'FCH SMBus Controller' > > class = serial bus > > subclass = SMBus > > isab0@pci0:0:20:3: class=0x060100 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x790e1022 > rev=0x51 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'FCH LPC Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-ISA > > hostb7@pci0:0:24:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14601022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; > Function 0' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb8@pci0:0:24:1: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14611022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; > Function 1' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb9@pci0:0:24:2: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14621022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; > Function 2' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb10@pci0:0:24:3: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14631022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; > Function 3' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb11@pci0:0:24:4: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14641022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; > Function 4' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb12@pci0:0:24:5: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14651022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; > Function 5' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb13@pci0:0:24:6: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14661022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; > Function 6' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > hostb14@pci0:0:24:7: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x14671022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; > Function 7' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > xhci0@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x0c0330 card=0x11421b21 chip=0x43d51022 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = '400 Series Chipset USB 3.1 XHCI Controller' > > class = serial bus > > subclass = USB > > ahci0@pci0:3:0:1: class=0x010601 card=0x10621b21 chip=0x43c81022 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = '400 Series Chipset SATA Controller' > > class = mass storage > > subclass = SATA > > pcib2@pci0:3:0:2: class=0x060400 card=0x02011b21 chip=0x43c61022 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-PCI > > pcib3@pci0:32:0:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-PCI > > pcib4@pci0:32:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-PCI > > pcib5@pci0:32:4:0: class=0x060400 card=0x33061b21 chip=0x43c71022 > rev=0x01 hdr=0x01 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = '400 Series Chipset PCIe Port' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-PCI > > re0@pci0:34:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x816810ec > rev=0x15 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' > > device = 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet > Controller' > > class = network > > subclass = ethernet > > vgapci0@pci0:37:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x85f51043 chip=0x1d0110de > rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' > > device = 'GP108 [GeForce GT 1030]' > > class = display > > subclass = VGA > > hdac0@pci0:37:0:1: class=0x040300 card=0x85f51043 chip=0x0fb810de > rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' > > device = 'GP108 High Definition Audio Controller' > > class = multimedia > > subclass = HDA > > none1@pci0:38:0:0: class=0x130000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x145a1022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Zeppelin/Raven/Raven2 PCIe Dummy Function' > > class = non-essential instrumentation > > none2@pci0:38:0:2: class=0x108000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14561022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Platform Security > Processor' > > class = encrypt/decrypt > > xhci1@pci0:38:0:3: class=0x0c0330 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x145f1022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Zeppelin USB 3.0 Host controller' > > class = serial bus > > subclass = USB > > none3@pci0:39:0:0: class=0x130000 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x14551022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Zeppelin/Renoir PCIe Dummy Function' > > class = non-essential instrumentation > > ahci1@pci0:39:0:2: class=0x010601 card=0x7c021462 chip=0x79011022 > rev=0x51 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode]' > > class = mass storage > > subclass = SATA > > hdac1@pci0:39:0:3: class=0x040300 card=0xec021462 chip=0x14571022 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]' > > device = 'Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) HD Audio Controller' > > class = multimedia > > subclass = HDA > > > > > > What model of Nvidia card? (dmesg/pciconf may not show that) > > > > > > GT1030 > > > > > > Not sure the above will help, but it >might<. > > > > WRT "resolution": X, and/or the text font/size on the login > console? > > > > -- > > Karl L. Dunn > > kldunn@hiwaay.net > > > > > > > > -- > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > -- Aryeh M. 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Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:36:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210321165225.11fa1f5559373032ea629412@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <20210321165225.11fa1f5559373032ea629412@3dresearch.com> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:35:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: /usr/src revision number To: Janos Dohanics Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3XXr1Rz9z4Xxr X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=lDuk1rAL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.58 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.88)[-0.882]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; 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If you > use a shallow clone, there is no easy way. If you have a full clone, you > will have a hash starting with 'n' followed by 6 digits. This is a sequence > count of commits to the relevant branch. In your case, the sequence is > n244684. > > Also, the recommended way to update your clone is "git pull --ff-only", > not a new clone. Much lower overhead. > -- > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 23:58:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56F9571C7F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 23:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3ZNF6MpTz4c6Q for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 23:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 58473 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2021 23:58:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=e465.6057ddb6.k2103; bh=DWMNF8VmeHFJvgwfDffuLriJAWNF6qT1KRh1XC+6/ro=; b=ZDqWduQFN82anXy1PxCNJjQUNmt4+IjZrkqPL99an7MC+T45GsZLLrJdHF4QT3CG9t6dU49SuZvFtvLHfSQQi3dPffZ1YCePkiEvM99NS+WV7OQnfNHJzkjtt4nbHMhngHBPEMKgxiSA3Q3PCboLoaynrswrum9riSiLvQcCRE+Ya1WfZtIG1KGtsPEWSsn5cLxThFVS1zuQ2GnSdOvaWdOVAYnxDG79LRhRb567Tt6mMZ4TzJalAPXPY19OlLNaPytVBUe37ZdZGNoH1m3dPXmKoepSjv6OZnQi2XPL3caD8DobrR/XNEgwcIV8DlOHzuYEBWiWaMtbrxmziN856A== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 21 Mar 2021 23:58:46 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id E3B5870DD030; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: 21 Mar 2021 19:58:45 -0400 Message-Id: <20210321235845.E3B5870DD030@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems upgrading mysql 5.6 => 5.7 In-Reply-To: <48b6f3cd-d884-f414-d720-a94e8b27f3b1@dreamchaser.org> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3ZNF6MpTz4c6Q X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=iecc.com header.s=e465.6057ddb6.k2103 header.b=ZDqWduQF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[iecc.com:s=e465.6057ddb6.k2103]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 23:58:54 -0000 It appears that Gary Aitken said: >$ cat ~/.my.cnf: >[mysqld] >datadir=/hd2/home/me/mysql_data >tmpdir=/hd2/home/me/tmp >innodb_strict_mode=on > >The data directory is writable by the user starting mysqld, as are all of the files in it: > >$ ls -l >-rw------- 1 me me 56 Oct 15 2016 auto.cnf >-rw-r----- 1 me me 10040 Mar 21 12:47 breakaway.dreamchaser.org.err >-rw------- 1 me me 5 Jan 7 2020 breakaway.pid >-rw------- 1 me me 50331648 Feb 6 2020 ib_logfile0 >-rw------- 1 me me 50331648 Oct 15 2016 ib_logfile1 >-rw------- 1 me me 27262976 Feb 6 2020 ibdata1 >drwx------ 2 me me 2560 Oct 15 2016 mysql >-rw------- 1 me me 0 Feb 8 2020 mysql-bin.index >-rw------- 1 me me 6 Oct 15 2016 mysql_upgrade_info >drwx------ 2 me me 2560 Oct 15 2016 performance_schema > >The system directory /var/db/mysqld exists and is owned/writeable by the mysql user, as are all of the files in it. If you're using the mysql-server package, Mysql runs as the mysql user, user ID 88, and all of its data files should belong to mysql. Unless you really REALLY know what you are doing, nothing but mysql should be writing the files in its database directory so nobody else should have write access to it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 01:14:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C6E57473E for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from p-impout005.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net (p-impout005aa.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net [47.43.26.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3c2z1GKqz4h8L for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([96.28.177.163]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O98llPYWKeKjEO98ml8pxo; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:13:56 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=ALzgjvLx c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:117 a=xqrt2BZAGHte7XHhrxJgbA==:17 a=HpEJnUlJZJkA:10 a=qyhATg9D-R3722GSPIcA:9 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:13:52 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new install References: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfPkt7R2H5C2YunOuCVO6yBwtNpCjUhJJGQ8+a5kcNKvNXnGfbVBdEcM+glMtoNASIdnFOzNos7mUQTN4/qqUj/DSxOvoJlARrVQiSFt9IeidDtNteEy4 b7D07n1BIWGKPjekEt9YBwKP0VJuRo8ALb196FMay3wo33veJQEyKROtgWt4tYkDtzxKiMHYyaJaPA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3c2z1GKqz4h8L X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mueller6722@twc.com designates 47.43.26.136 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mueller6722@twc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[47.43.26.136:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[47.43.26.136:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[twc.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[twc.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[47.43.26.136:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[96.28.177.163:received]; MISSING_MID(2.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:47.43.26.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[twc.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:40294, ipnet:47.43.24.0/21, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:14:04 -0000 from LuMiWa: > I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few > questions, please: > Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD and > OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security boot is > enabled. > I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than enough > and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. > Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay that > I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And > secure boot should be disabled too? I didn't think Haiku could run on FAT (12, 16 or 32). Haiku's file system is BFS, though Haiku can read and write FAT32. Haiku will fit comfortably into 5 GB, though you could need more if you build applications from Haikuports. By all means, disable secure boot. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 03:08:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22F1577765 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 03:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "Virgin Media Core Infrastructure Root" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3fZb4v74z4myg for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 03:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from llamedos.mydomain ([81.97.236.130]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id OAvElN3gjzNL5OAvEltZUK; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 03:08:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [81.97.236.130] X-Authenticated-User: zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com X-Authority: v=2.3 cv=VOHzYeHX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 cx=a_exe a=OGiDJHazYrvzwCbh7ZIPzQ==:117 a=OGiDJHazYrvzwCbh7ZIPzQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=dESyimp9J3IA:10 a=aUmhEASRKm0OCZ_6YhoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: by llamedos.mydomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 139488B510; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 03:08:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 03:08:04 +0000 From: Ken Moffat To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning 1T HDD Message-ID: References: <20210319102649.2bace327e17eca8602877618@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20210319102649.2bace327e17eca8602877618@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.6 (2021-03-06) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJ0zZeGRNIk+YuyfHPUY2dQ/SgJBG9MIxMeuqYT7q5p6k8TnIOwNVxJsd6DYBojn7zZ6V9mBF7HmYVShgkLR55XtA5ycq5FKxec7o7I+WIZAsyPxfue3 +ngk122EMpBnmf9enZ6Ty4RzfqDtdBO5na9CAAScsORqd65mSfaxgd3Bx7yIGOlhqAIEPdprZ2xU/A== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3fZb4v74z4myg X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[80.0.253.71:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ntlworld.com:s=meg.feb2017]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:80.0.253.64/28]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[80.0.253.71:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ntlworld.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ntlworld.com,quarantine]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[80.0.253.71:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5089, ipnet:80.0.0.0/16, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[80.0.253.71:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 03:08:08 -0000 On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 10:26:49AM -0600, Duke Normandin wrote: > > While on the subject of booting and partitioning etc, I've included below, 2 Dropbox links of images of my ASUS BIOS. Would you be in a position to explain to me what AHCI vs IDE is? As well, I see that I can enable/disable UEFI and PXE ROM. What is PXE ROM? Given that ASUS laptop will NEVER again have any microsoft products loaded/running on it, do I need UEFI enabled? > AHCI is the modern way of accessing SATA disks. Not sure when it came in, but certainly all my systems from the last 5 years have used it. And PXE ROM is for network booting. No idea how old your laptop is, but for non-M$ the only reason for enabling UEFI is probably to update the UEFI firmware - for *very* recent ryzens the forthcoming AGESA fixes for usb issues on zen2 and zen3 probably need UEFI to install it (and perhaps M$, depending on the manufacturer). For older systems, no obvious reason to use UEFI. ĸen -- On average, the Panda feeds for 15 hours a day. This is the same as an adult at home under quarantine, which is why we call it a "Pandemic". 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For older systems, no obvious > reason to use UEFI. Machine: Type: Laptop System: ASUSTeK product: N53SN v: 1.0 serial: Mobo: ASUSTeK model: N53SN v: 1.0 serial: BIOS: American Megatrends v: N53SN.209 date: 01/10/2012 Memory: RAM: total: 11.64 GiB used: 337.4 MiB (2.8%) CPU: Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-2630QM bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Sandy Bridge family: 6 model-id: 2A (42) stepping: 7 microcode: 2F L2 cache: 6144 KiB bogomips: 31929 Speed: 800 MHz min/max: 800/2900 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 800 2: 2719 3: 816 4: 2620 5: 2635 6: 2797 7: 1178 8: 2600 It's not brand new, but it's not a dog. :) Thanks again! -- Duke -- Duke Normandin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 12:29:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425C25ACF45 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3v1q34s9z3LLG for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lOJRj-0005Eg-Or for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:14:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:14:11 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [matt@openssl.org: Forthcoming OpenSSL release] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3v1q34s9z3LLG X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.25 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[204.209.81.1:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+a:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[204.209.81.1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_VIRUSFREE_BOTNET(2.00)[204.209.81.1:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.750]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:29:04 -0000 ----- Forwarded message from Matt Caswell ----- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:18:12 +0000 From: Matt Caswell To: "openssl-project@openssl.org" , openssl-announce@openssl.org, "openssl-users@openssl.org" Subject: Forthcoming OpenSSL release User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 The OpenSSL project team would like to announce the forthcoming release of OpenSSL version 1.1.1k. This release will be made available on Thursday 25th March 2021 between 1300-1700 UTC. OpenSSL 1.1.1k is a security-fix release. The highest severity issue fixed in this release is HIGH: https://www.openssl.org/policies/secpolicy.html#high Yours The OpenSSL Project Team ----- End forwarded message ----- Just got this. Does this means FReeBSD 11,12,13 and 14 are affected? -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Light wants an end to war, but so does darkness. -unknown From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 13:36:09 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B2B5AF13A for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F3wWF26shz3QST for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DFB6A58E for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from PD0786.local (130.31-255-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.255.31.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDC86117DC for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/BDC86117DC; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: [matt@openssl.org: Forthcoming OpenSSL release] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <35d8065d-d2ac-4ef9-a89a-3aa28fdcdcf0@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:36:02 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 13:36:09 -0000 On 22/03/2021 12:14, The Doctor via freebsd-questions wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Matt Caswell ----- > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:18:12 +0000 > From: Matt Caswell > To: "openssl-project@openssl.org" , > openssl-announce@openssl.org, "openssl-users@openssl.org" > > Subject: Forthcoming OpenSSL release > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 > Thunderbird/78.7.1 > > The OpenSSL project team would like to announce the forthcoming > release of OpenSSL version 1.1.1k. > > This release will be made available on Thursday 25th March 2021 > between 1300-1700 UTC. > > OpenSSL 1.1.1k is a security-fix release. The highest severity issue > fixed in this release is HIGH: > https://www.openssl.org/policies/secpolicy.html#high > > Yours > > The OpenSSL Project Team > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > Just got this. > > Does this means FReeBSD 11,12,13 and 14 are affected? > Very likely. The FreeBSD security team will have seen the same announcement from OpenSSL, quite possibly somewhat earlier than you did (under embargo though: not publicizing open security holes before everyone has had a chance to fix them is quite important) and given they agree that this is a high severity issue, will have been working up system patches and advisories for release at around the same time. Typically there will be a more-or-less coordinated release of OS security advisories and patches across all affected operating systems and distributions. So, expect to be applying some patches later this week, whatever OS you're running. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 22:02:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AE45BB7FA for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F47lJ1ny7z4pXP for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 41e05c21 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:02:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.12]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2e514ae2 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:02:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a6674dd7 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:02:17 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 8223207e (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:02:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:02:13 -0400 From: LuMiWa To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new install Message-ID: <20210322180213.53ae11e8@dismail.de> References: <20210321064056.29e785d6@dismail.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F47lJ1ny7z4pXP X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:02:21 -0000 On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:13:52 +0000 "Thomas Mueller" wrote: > from LuMiWa: >=20 > > I bought first laptop in my life (Thinkpad T495) and I have a few=20 > > questions, please: > > Laptop is with Windows 10 on which I never had (from DOS to FreeBSD > > and OS/2 and Linux between) and I do not want to keep on, security > > boot is enabled. > > I like to install Haiku and FreeBSD. For Haiku is 5 GB more than > > enough and the rest of the drive for FreeBSD. > > Should I install partition disk and install Haiku first or is okay > > that I install FreeBSD and make one FAT32 partition for Haiku? And > > secure boot should be disabled too? >=20 > I didn't think Haiku could run on FAT (12, 16 or 32). Haiku's file > system is BFS, though Haiku can read and write FAT32. >=20 > Haiku will fit comfortably into 5 GB, though you could need more if > you build applications from Haikuports. >=20 > By all means, disable secure boot. >=20 > Tom >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Thank you --=20 =E2=80=9CWe live in a world where there is more and more information, and l= ess and less meaning.=E2=80=9D Jean Baudrillard From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 22:33:50 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DCB5BC93D for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:33:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F48Rd6SqBz4rYK for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:33:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12MMXgM9054602; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: problems upgrading mysql 5.6 => 5.7 To: John Levine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210321235845.E3B5870DD030@ary.qy> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <5ec345c3-01a6-f959-0971-5836ecc85e20@dreamchaser.org> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:33:42 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210321235845.E3B5870DD030@ary.qy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:33:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F48Rd6SqBz4rYK X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:33:51 -0000 On 3/21/21 5:58 PM, John Levine wrote: > If you're using the mysql-server package, Mysql runs as the mysql > user, user ID 88, and all of its data files should belong > to mysql. > > Unless you really REALLY know what you are doing, nothing but mysql should be > writing the files in its database directory so nobody else should have write access to it. Well, I really *don't* know what I'm doing... I always started mysqld from a user account. I didn't pay attention to the owner/protections on the files, just set the data dir, and at one point I changed the permissions of everything in that account to 600; I may have forced the owner/group as well. I knew mysqld ran as mysql but I thought it only did that when started by root. Anyway... I chmod'd and chown'ed things to mysql:mysql and now get the following: [Warning] Can't create test file /hd2/home/me/mysql_data/breakaway.lower-test [Note] mysqld (mysqld 5.7.33-log) starting as process 14257 ... [Warning] Can't create test file /usr/home/me/mysql_data/breakaway.lower-test [Warning] Can't create test file /usr/home/me/mysql_data/breakaway.lower-test [Warning] One can only use the --user switch if running as root mysqld: File './mysql-bin.index' not found (Errcode: 13 - Permission denied) [ERROR] Aborting [Note] Binlog end There is an old mysql-bin.index file: ~/mysql_data$ ls -l mysql-bin.index -rwxrwx--- 1 mysql mysql 0 Feb 8 2020 mysql-bin.index and the directory: ~/mysql_data$ ls -dl . drwxrwxr-x 12 mysql mysql 1024 Mar 22 13:19 . so I don't understand what it is complaining about. aside: It was suggested to me that I go straight to version 8. However, when I deinstalled mysql57-client and mysql57-server it also wanted to deinstall libreoffice. I deleted using -f but when I tried to reinstall mysql80-server it wanted to reinstall mysql57-client and mysql80-client both, but then I got this: Proceed with this action? [y/N]: y [1/3] Fetching mysql80-server-8.0.23.txz: 100% 18 MiB 263.4kB/s 01:10 [2/3] Fetching mysql57-client-5.7.33.txz: 100% 2 MiB 397.0kB/s 00:05 [3/3] Fetching mysql80-client-8.0.23.txz: 100% 4 MiB 398.4kB/s 00:10 Checking integrity... done (2 conflicting) - mysql57-client-5.7.33 conflicts with mysql80-server-8.0.23 on /usr/local/bin/mysql_ssl_rsa_setup - mysql80-client-8.0.23 conflicts with mysql57-client-5.7.33 on /usr/local/bin/mysql Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting) Conflicts with the existing packages have been found. One more solver iteration is needed to resolve them. The following 3 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked): Installed packages to be REMOVED: libreoffice: 7.0.4.2 New packages to be INSTALLED: mysql80-client: 8.0.23 mysql80-server: 8.0.23 So I tried deleting libreoffice, installing mysql80, then libreoffice, but libreoffice wants to replace mysql80-client with mysql57-client. That's using pkg to install, as opposed to building from ports. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Mar 22 23:42:54 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF3E5BE3AE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gal.iecc.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F49zK21HMz4vww for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: (qmail 32607 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2021 23:42:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=7f5d.60592b7b.k2103; bh=7u9+NepW5XpC9HzFty9vTuBa4Nn11TTTTclNe/KX1GA=; b=daIe517wnqYWa8RuGBj7HQM3Zj9pMhy5uOiFWU0glRRgQ9gJpC/USHFhjkbu9W/34BiXU4NF15afnGq94n7wWr132CSwnR/eJvJwBLK86OpLlco71H7RDLDTVm0LJqrekR3InIT2ZFLK0kfROT3QNL3yxTESm1bDdnb+6rV0UrYKxEXF/hkk0QMz/uUr16Vps+GrIM2a49jvm9Ja1M6bmfUbBUbxp/FTjKu/7tk2l5Z90wPC/uzWf+zwDgQyp1Zj9PoZLFlNN337/V7W7p4rKnIXikUJZAcLGlpzhLFDwkPiJo/gLxcDnJiUrJHsBdgEi9peHY5iUrzIU1MBZp4VTg== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 22 Mar 2021 23:42:50 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 58FB470EE01D; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ary.qy (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC39170EDFFF; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: 22 Mar 2021 19:42:49 -0400 Message-ID: <64d150fd-9de-dacf-d88b-2dc57addaf15@iecc.com> From: "John R. Levine" To: "Gary Aitken" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems upgrading mysql 5.6 => 5.7 In-Reply-To: <5ec345c3-01a6-f959-0971-5836ecc85e20@dreamchaser.org> References: <20210321235845.E3B5870DD030@ary.qy> <5ec345c3-01a6-f959-0971-5836ecc85e20@dreamchaser.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F49zK21HMz4vww X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none (invalid DKIM record) header.d=iecc.com header.s=7f5d.60592b7b.k2103 header.b=daIe517w; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=iecc.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of johnl@iecc.com designates 2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=johnl@iecc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f07:1126::/64]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[iecc.com:~]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[iecc.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_PERMFAIL(0.00)[iecc.com:s=7f5d.60592b7b.k2103]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 23:42:54 -0000 >> If you're using the mysql-server package, Mysql runs as the mysql >> user, user ID 88, and all of its data files should belong >> to mysql. >> >> Unless you really REALLY know what you are doing, nothing but mysql should >> be >> writing the files in its database directory so nobody else should have >> write access to it. > > Well, I really *don't* know what I'm doing... > I always started mysqld from a user account. I didn't pay attention to the > owner/protections on the files, just set the data dir, and at one point I > changed the permissions of everything in that account to 600; I may have > forced the owner/group as well. I knew mysqld ran as mysql but I thought it > only did that when started by root. Assuming you have superuser access to your freebsd box, I think you will find that things work better when you run them the way they expect to be run. The mysql-server script expects to he run by root, usually at system startup, and then switch to the mysql user. I do agree that you should get mysql 5.7 working before you try to go to 8. 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[88.105.96.80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g21sm10311336ejd.6.2021.03.22.17.44.07 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: /usr/src Git --count (count of commits to the branch) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210321165225.11fa1f5559373032ea629412@3dresearch.com> From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <62accae5-1d15-cc5f-4438-dbf503af94cd@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 00:44:06 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F4CL13bYyz3HHs X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=rVcXRsdS; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::630 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.34 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.34)[-0.338]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[88.105.96.80:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::630:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::630:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::630:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 00:44:10 -0000 On 21/03/2021 22:35, Kevin Oberman wrote: > … > Take a look at the newd git "Getting started" guide at > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#git-primer. If you > use a shallow clone, there is no easy way. If you have a full clone, you > will have a hash starting with 'n' followed by 6 digits. This is a sequence > count of commits to the relevant branch. In your case, the sequence is > n244684. FreeBSD: git --count result differs from the number in output from uname -v I have seen differences more than once. Can someone explain? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 23 06:40:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB65157B45E for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 06:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpg.telissant.net (smtpg.telissant.net [104.225.1.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4MFX6n34z3tmb for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 06:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from sacada.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4MFQ4WSDz2D1r7 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 02:40:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpg.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by sacada.3dresearch.com (sacada.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yRXYTThp-n2J for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 02:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffrescue.3dresearch.com (unknown [71.112.240.190]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: buffrescue@sacada.3dresearch.com) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F4MFQ0sbPz2D1r6 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 02:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buffrescue.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffrescue.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9786B51A78 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 02:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 02:25:00 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: /usr/src revision number Message-Id: <20210323022500.275ed6e09b1ef0bc59f47af3@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20210321165225.11fa1f5559373032ea629412@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F4MFX6n34z3tmb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of web@3dresearch.com designates 104.225.1.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=web@3dresearch.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ENVFROM_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.112.240.190:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[104.225.1.73:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:104.225.1.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[3dresearch.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[104.225.1.73:from:127.0.2.255]; FROM_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 06:40:50 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:35:54 -0700 Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:53 PM Janos Dohanics > wrote: > [...] > > > > How can I find what "revision" do I have now in /usr/src and how > > can I see if it is an increment compared to the installed > > kernel/userland? > > > > -- > > Janos Dohanics > > > > > > Take a look at the newd git "Getting started" guide at > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#git-primer. > > If you use a shallow clone, there is no easy way. If you have a > > full clone, you will have a hash starting with 'n' followed by 6 > > digits. This is a sequence count of commits to the relevant branch. > > In your case, the sequence is n244684. Thank you, started the local repo anew with 'deep' cloning and rebuilt world+kernel. I now have: # uname -v FreeBSD 13.0-STABLE #0 stable/13-n245008-3aa6cc000f7: Mon Mar 22 14:42:44 EDT 2021 So, the sequence count here is n245008. But I don't seem to be able to tease out of git(1) an output which shows '245008': # git rev-list stable/13 --count 256879 # git log --oneline | wc -l 256879 If git(1) has no equivalent of the svn(1) revision number in the sense which lets you compare older <--> newer at a glance, how can you tell that your updated source is actually newer than whatever is installed? For example, in FreeBSD Security Advisories you could quickly tell the "good" revision number, but you can't do that by looking at a hash like 'ab3e1bd3c22a222520c23c2793cc39e3a23c9b46'. -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 23 15:45:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961815B2382 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4bKX4rJXz3Hmf for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:45:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 12NFixEU048072; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:45:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: Valeri Galtsev cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Adding /usr/src using freebsd-update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:45:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F4bKX4rJXz3Hmf X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.64 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_SENDERSCORE_FAIL(0.00)[198.74.231.101:server fail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.46)[0.459]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:45:05 -0000 On Sat, 20 Mar 2021, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > >> On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:42 PM, Doug Denault wrote: >> >> My motivation for wanting to do this is basically because updating >> 11.3-->12.2 broke my Lenovo Ideapad. This is a "well known" and >> apparently has a workaround but I could not find a combination that >> worked following the very helpful suggestion out of the X11 mailing list >> or google. What did work was 13.0-RC2. Out of the box following UPDATING >> and pkg notes. Whatever the issue was it was obviously complex involving >> the interaction of several components in Xorg, FreeBSD and whether or >> nor EFI booting was used. All except the last one are perfectly obvious. >> I only mention this as background for why not use git or subversion (for >> a while anyway). >> >> The fix required that kernel sources be available. On the Lenovo that >> happened not to be a problem. On another laptop I did not have /usr/src >> so freebsd-update did not add/update it and I saw no option to add >> /usr/src. The conf file apparently says take care of it if it is there. > > Did you try to use svn? Something in lines > > svn co https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/12.2 /usr/src > > (confessing: I?m lazy guy, and about a week or so ago I still used svn, > successfully). First Thank you for the suggestion. Re Lazy, me too, hence looking for an "easy" answer. The svn port had similar [non]success. On the system in question this was an "I wonder if this works". I have 500+ packages on this workstation and have not yet added gimp, yet so there is no need for more interlocking dependencies. On a Lenovo laptop src was required to install the drm package required in 13.0 to make it work. Happily it was already there. >> On my HP no /usr/src. I did a package add for git adding 32 required >> packages and the installed failed to deliver a working git command. So >> on to subversion with similar results. This with 12.2. >> >> As I had already updated to 12.2 and it was working I removed all >> packages, copied a 12.1 /usr/src from another server and did a fetch. >> This added in the files new to 12.2 and did report doing anything else, >> so I rather doubt this is a "good" version of the src tree. >> >> All of the above for my real question. since I had a number of 11.3 >> /usr/src trees, if I had just added that before doing an upgrade I think >> that will work. Correct? >> > > I would just move existing /usr/src off the way (rename) and pull fresh > new of the release you need (say, using svn command if git doesn?t work > on that machine for whatever reason). Probably a good idea. On the servers we go the poudriere route. On workstations I have never gotten xorg to build and usually do not have the time to see if it will work this time. I will probably continue my thought experiement when the workstation morphs to 13. I will learn git going forward. I would be nice if for the non internals folks if this could just be done via the browser. I have no idea if that's even possible > Valeri > _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 23 16:11:11 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5CE5B30A5 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12f.google.com (mail-lf1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4bvf3LyRz3K9X for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:11:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id b14so14195674lfv.8 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 09:11:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=9akO1XjA5R3i3tlCFqoi76Ex9SSDjmEUs9lznkw0YHA=; b=OqutkTj11D9iM0L+yLrWCx2VugLvbuu6K2s7sCfPGtOcBA1vwWIMbUItGLkZFgdDJn nw3AIGw/zEX9pTRxzsqsfT9ZtjoOxT+y2ZmbsGuxH0upUVIz1BGFQtqFDkjSF39oKBz9 aw7mwduSJt8YwikcQbiwwCvi+qJELbaGGlBgXIKPbnoJVUqI+34yainhEhFSQTecQiMA aiJcmYF6IajNv2dQ/tQ97/FbkCsmPeTuMs6eFwTO/l7h63KNks8NliCfQrdM0fUgFkLd zfgjJy0PmqHX6gkjAOULK7KHkxezdbqJBNglEpg9kgbaFPg63jrZ66Pjri9Ae4n4RDzC LtuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=9akO1XjA5R3i3tlCFqoi76Ex9SSDjmEUs9lznkw0YHA=; b=rvaGy0naiwb1wfER1J25vv06EIiecY+jjfANshW42AddLcC0b6+M3GgliqY+bwLGY+ SjgQM3frN2l0SXI4SMcUvSjK4Rskfncj/jXD90YA4Z0aHTKxVYA0Mc0Dp71rfieHzRjS L09/0GXj4FP8s0YMkJj7xpGca212qHSoaepOuAVwwdUOMDpc3NR5j4S3f69yTh72PJVH 7E1e0xfVmOiT9I3aANYnmuk+uEU2XpKsVcizrBb4LI8bOAw4QhGEzJ1Vzc1i//vDsDAn gidgeUgbuHv9Um+/HqISmlfDSSW1tUD/NSmpLYordFGHqdTs4HPj5rOOIMIkLyj5q3h9 KsaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532MFmnkfx9X5U0vUIbsdmT49kk+t+jAmXV/2MD6evcfAxBq2TRp GcOrwhC2fnzqWbQ/lLv3atqDMm5RGCNFloc1EbfXb/XwdFdl6A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJygTCnxcCLPvnzA7aTPvDQRKDmj62r6wnlc4PUKrIy5Wor8aVb2YN8vCvpuvVHOrlJG1FwiakhwqPwaRwGzV2U= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:5252:: with SMTP id t18mr5319904edd.258.1616514016652; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:40:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202103230747.12N7lnl0000125@sdf.org> In-Reply-To: <202103230747.12N7lnl0000125@sdf.org> From: Waitman Gobble Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:40:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Disappearing files in FreeBSD 13.0-R2 To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F4bvf3LyRz3K9X X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=OqutkTj1; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gobblewa@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gobblewa@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12f:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12f:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12f:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:11:11 -0000 On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 3:47 AM Scott Bennett wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 23:44:08 -0700 David Christensen > wrote: > > On 3/14/21 6:22 PM, David Christensen wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 9:20 PM Waitman Gobble wrote: > >>> > >>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 8:00 PM David Christensen > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 3/14/21 4:03 PM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > >>>>> I did a fresh install using ZFS with encryption. I copied the files on a > >>>>> second drive (UFS) to /usr/home/backup (ZFS). I reformatted the second > >>>>> drive ZFS and created a new pool "home" for that drive. It decided to mount > >>>>> the drive as /home. AFAIK i never told the system to do that. But /home and > >>>>> /usr/home are different, there is no link. > > So far, what Waitman describes is the system doing exactly what it was supposed > to do, given his instructions. It created a pool called home. Because every > pool has a name, that name is the default mountpoint for the native root file > system of the pool, in this case, "home" gets mounted at /home. "home" seems an odd > choice for a pool that might have other file systems in it that do not contain home > directories, but if that's the way he wants his system to look, then so be it. No > symlink exists because he has not created one. > >>>>> > >>>>> I can only see /usr/home/backup if i boot into single user mode. If i mount > >>>>> read write or boot normally then /usr/home is empty. > >>>>> > Here Waitman appears to have forgotten the basics of UNIX. When a file system > is mounted onto a directory, the entries in that directory become no longer visible, > except to any process that currently has an open file descriptor for the directory. > Files in that directory also become inaccessible, except for files that are already > held open by existing processes. When the file system that has been mounted there, > thus "covering up" the contents of the directory, gets unmounted, the directory and > its contents become visible again. > In single-user mode in Waitman's example, the home pool has yet to be imported, > so it is not visible yet. In starting up multi-user mode, all pools in the cache > get imported. However, I do not know why "zpool status" with no pools specified > does not cause all pools in the cache (except the boot pool, of course) to be > imported before displaying the status. Did he manually export home before rebooting > the system or before shutting down to single-user mode? I.e., was home not listed > in the cache at the time due to having been manually exported? > > >>>>> I copied the files to a usb drive. > >>>>> > >>>>> How do i delete the backup? Its taking up 100 gb. I can see them read only > > You have to do that when another file system is not mounted on top of it. > > >>>>> and copy to usb drive, but as soon as i mount read write they disappear. I > > Of course, they do. That is the expected UNIX behavior. > > >>>>> did not import the home pool, it does not show up in the status command. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Please run the following commands and post your console session: > >>>> > >>>> [much stuff deleted --SB] > >>>> > > > > > >It looks like 'ada1' is a 500 GB drive with the ZFS pool 'home'. ZFS > >mounts this at '/home' by default. This mount overlays the root > > It mounts a ZFS *file system* at /home. A pool cannot be mounted. > A pool is *not* a file system. A pool contains a native root file system, > just as a disk partition with a UFS file system has a top (a.k.a. root) > directory. Additional file systems subordinate to the root file system > are usually created, and those file systems' default mount points within > the full FreeBSD file system are as subdirectories of the pool's root > file system. If one wants it mounted elsewhere, the elsewhere must be > set as the file system's mountpoint at "zfs create" time or by "zfs set". > Setting a mountpoint to "legacy" leaves the mount information to /etc/fstab > or the mount(8) command. > > >filesystem symbolic link '/home', but I do not understand why > >'/usr/home/backup' disappears. > > > As noted above, it disappears when a file system is mounted on top > of it, thus "covering it up". > > > >I would do the following as root in single-user mode: > > > >1. Record your console session with script(1). Exact details will be > >useful later; sooner if something goes wrong. > > > >2. Take a recursive snapshot of the 'zroot' and 'home' ZFS filesystems. > > Pick a meaningful SNAPNAME (I do date/ time strings): > > > > # zfs snapshot -r zroot@SNAPNAME home@SNAPNAME > > > >3. Unmount the ZFS filesystem 'zroot/usr/home', make it read-only, > >change its mountpoint, and mount it:: > > > > # zfs unmount zroot/usr/home > > > > # zfs set readonly=on zroot/usr/home > > > > # zfs set mountpoint=/usr/oldhome zroot/usr/home > > > > # zfs mount zroot/usr/home > > > > /usr/oldhome and /usr/oldhome/backup should now be visible. > > > > (If you previously created a ZFS filesystem > >'zroot/usr/home/backup', repeat the first, second, and fourth steps > >above; adjusting the filesystem name. The 'mountpoint' property should > >be inherited.) > > > >4. Set the mountpoint of the ZFS pool 'home' and mount it: > > > > # zfs set mountpoint=/usr/home home > > > > # zfs mount home > > > > /usr/home should now be visible. > > Yes. Doing it with a symlink can work, but is likely to cause other > inconveniences, so setting the mountpoint to put it where one wants is the > better way to go. > > > >5. It is recommended practice not to put files and directories into the > >base filesystem of a ZFS pool (e.g. '/usr/home') -- it is better to > >create ZFS filesystems at the base level of a pool and put files, > >directories, and/or additional ZFS filesystems into those. Assuming > >'/usr/oldhome/backup' represents your old home directory, create a ZFS > >filesystem for your new home directory: > > > > # zfs create home/username > > > > Do the same when adding more accounts in the future. > > > >6. Assuming '/usr/oldhome/backup' represents one user account, copy its > >contents to '/usr/home/username'. > > > >7. Reboot and check everything. > > > >8. Wait a while (hours, days, weeks). When you are certain everything > >is okay, destroy the old home filesystem: > > > > # zfs destroy -r zroot/usr/home > > > > This should reclaim space in the 'zroot' pool and filesystem. > > > This is true, but can leave you without basics available in single- > user mode. It is better to leave a basic home directory there that belongs > to the system administrator that is accessible from the single-user shell > without mounting anything more than /usr. IIRC, home is just a directory > in /usr in a system as installed by the FreeBSD installer's ZFS option. > Here is what I've done as an example, using two 932 GB boot drives. > > > [hellas] 101 % gpart show ada0 ada1 > => 40 1953525088 ada0 GPT (932G) > 40 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) > 1064 984 - free - (492K) > 2048 637534208 2 freebsd-zfs (304G) > 637536256 25163776 4 freebsd-swap (12G) > 662700032 1064 - free - (532K) > 662701096 1048576000 6 freebsd-zfs (500G) > 1711277096 4194304 8 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) > 1715471400 184549376 - free - (88G) > 1900020776 52428800 13 freebsd-swap (25G) > 1952449576 1075552 - free - (525M) > > => 40 1953525088 ada1 GPT (932G) > 40 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) > 1064 984 - free - (492K) > 2048 637534208 2 freebsd-zfs (304G) > 637536256 25163776 4 freebsd-swap (12G) > 662700032 1064 - free - (532K) > 662701096 1048576000 6 freebsd-zfs (500G) > 1711277096 4194304 8 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) > 1715471400 184549376 - free - (88G) > 1900020776 52428800 13 freebsd-ufs (25G) > 1952449576 1075552 - free - (525M) > > [hellas] 102 % gpart show -l ada0 ada1 > => 40 1953525088 ada0 GPT (932G) > 40 1024 1 gptboot0 (512K) > 1064 984 - free - (492K) > 2048 637534208 2 system0 (304G) > 637536256 25163776 4 swap0 (12G) > 662700032 1064 - free - (532K) > 662701096 1048576000 6 local1 (500G) > 1711277096 4194304 8 dbtor0 (2.0G) > 1715471400 184549376 - free - (88G) > 1900020776 52428800 13 crashdump (25G) > 1952449576 1075552 - free - (525M) > > => 40 1953525088 ada1 GPT (932G) > 40 1024 1 gptboot1 (512K) > 1064 984 - free - (492K) > 2048 637534208 2 system1 (304G) > 637536256 25163776 4 swap1 (12G) > 662700032 1064 - free - (532K) > 662701096 1048576000 6 local0 (500G) > 1711277096 4194304 8 dbtor1 (2.0G) > 1715471400 184549376 - free - (88G) > 1900020776 52428800 13 varcrash (25G) > 1952449576 1075552 - free - (525M) > > [hellas] 103 % zpool status local system > pool: local > state: ONLINE > scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0 days 01:34:26 with 0 errors on Mon Mar 1 16:41:52 2021 > config: > > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM > local ONLINE 0 0 0 > mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 > ada1p6.eli ONLINE 0 0 0 (100% initialized, completed at Wed Jan 20 19:09:12 2021) > ada0p6.eli ONLINE 0 0 0 (100% initialized, completed at Wed Jan 20 19:09:12 2021) > > errors: No known data errors > > pool: system > state: ONLINE > scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0 days 02:07:46 with 0 errors on Mon Mar 1 07:16:52 2021 > config: > > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM > system ONLINE 0 0 0 > mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 > ada0p2.eli ONLINE 0 0 0 (100% initialized, completed at Sun May 5 07:37:22 2019) > ada1p2.eli ONLINE 0 0 0 (100% initialized, completed at Sun May 5 07:52:42 2019) > > errors: No known data errors > [hellas] 104 % zfs list -r system local > NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT > local 405G 75.7G 88K legacy > local/archives 155G 75.7G 125G legacy > local/home 250G 75.7G 245G legacy > local/ltmp 200K 75.7G 88K /ltmp > system 284G 8.75G 88K /system > system/ROOT 161G 8.75G 88K none > system/ROOT/hellas.12.1.r361435 559M 8.75G 47.4G / > system/ROOT/hellas.r364474 1.05M 8.75G 59.5G / > system/ROOT/hellas.r367545 113M 8.75G 59.5G / > system/ROOT/hellas.r368269 19.5G 8.75G 59.7G / > system/ROOT/hellas.r369178 12K 8.75G 59.2G / > system/ROOT/hellas.r369409 140G 8.75G 59.6G / > system/tmp 148K 8.75G 148K /tmp > system/usr 123G 8.75G 88K /usr > system/usr/ports 116G 8.75G 86.5G /usr/ports > system/usr/src 2.61G 8.75G 1.93G /usr/src > system/usr/src12.2r 1.40G 8.75G 1.40G /usr/src12.2r > system/usr/src12s 3.21G 8.75G 3.21G /usr/src12 > system/var 150M 8.75G 88K /var > system/var/audit 88K 8.75G 88K /var/audit > system/var/crash 88K 8.75G 88K /var/crash > system/var/log 21.7M 8.75G 7.55M /var/log > system/var/mail 20.4M 8.75G 5.71M /var/mail > system/var/tmp 108M 8.75G 1.13M /var/tmp > > One caveat about the above configuration is that the brain-dead FreeBSD > ZFS installer option makes it damned nearly impossible to do this with just > one disk drive. Fortunately, I had a pair of drives to use to set this up, > To do it on a single-drive system appears to require another drive be > attached at least temporarily somehow, e.g., by eSATA or USB or even Firewire.. > However, it works well for my use case.. Both local and system are ZFS > pools with one top-level mirror vdev apiece. (There is no EFI partition > because the machine is from 2008 and has a QX9650 CPU on a Dell proprietary > motherboard.) I keep only FreeBSD stuff, including both the base system and > installed ports, in the system pool. All other local stuff goes into a file > system in the local pool or in pools or UFS2 file systems on other drives. This > structure not only allows easier management of system vs. other data, but allows > placement of the swapping/paging partitions closer to the middle of the drives > rather than at one end or the other. I also like the pool names better because > they are more meaningful to me. The standalone dump partition and the UFS2 file > system holding /var/crash have identical locations and sizes, one on each disk. > An encrypted GEOM mirror device holds a UFS2 partition for tor's special data in > order to allow tor to overwrite critical files (e.g., keys), which would not be > possible in a COW file system like ZFS. I do use legacy mountpoints for my own > convenience in temporarily mounting a few file systems in abnormal places, but > yes, it would be possible to use ZFS mountpoints in these cases, too. Using > legacy mountpoints for a few situations also makes it easier to see where > certain things are with a quick glance at /etc/fstab. Your and Waitman's use > cases and habits will undoubtedly differ from mine. > Another thing I standardly do is to label UFS2 file systems when I create > them with "newfs -L". That way they can be mounted by name as /dev/ufs/${name}, > which may be an encrypted partition or another type of GEOM device. At mount > time one need not worry about knowing where it is physically or whether it is > encrypted or at which level. If I forget to label it when running newfs, I can > fix it with "tunefs -L". Anyway, I do most things, except FAT32 on flash > drives, as ZFS now. Only a few things with very special needs (e.g., allergy to > COW, ccache trees, portmaster's WRKDIRPREFIX, system dump device) end up in some > other form. > Don't forget UNIX basics just because you're dealing with a newer type of > file system. mount(8) and umount(8) basically work the same way and do the same > things as they always have. > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > ********************************************************************** > * Internet: bennett at sdf.org *xor* bennett at freeshell.org * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * > * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * > * -- a standing army." * > * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * > ********************************************************************** "Here Waitman appears to have forgotten the basics of UNIX." I'm not clear about what you are talking about. I created a second pool I named "home" that was encrypted with GELI but it was not imported and was not mounted. Apparently merely naming a pool "home" makes it /usr/home in ZFS. I presumed I could set the mount point to whatever I wanted. My original plan was to mount it something like /t, copy the files, then change the mount point to /usr/home. But before I got that far I noticed a problem with /usr/home... However, after adding the secondary drive (but before actually importing or mounting it), The files in /usr/home where gone when the primary drive was mounted rw, but the files were there when the drive was mounted ro in single user mode. Deleting /home solved the problem. The secondary drive was not "unlocked", imported or mounted yet. My first problem was the files I put on /user/home/backup were not there, when I noticed they were there in single user mode "ro" then I copied them off to external drive but could not delete them. As soon as I mounted the drive rw they vanished. After I deleted /home directory the files in /usr/home appeared in rw and I could delete them. So the weirdness was /home was a directory that I don't recall creating (but who else would have done it right?) and the presence of it apparently made the files in /usr/home vanish after the drive was mounted rw. The secondary drive did not seem to be causing the problem. What's basic? I've done this many times with UFS systems but maybe the first time with ZFS. Maybe creating a pool named "home" mucked things up for me. The solution was simply deleting /home, an empty directory. After deleting the backup files I decrypted the second drive, imported it and it magically showed up on /usr/home where I wanted it. Then I made a symlink from /usr/home to /home, just because it's always been that way that I remember. When I have time I'll check out that ZFS book somebody pointed out. -- Waitman Gobble From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 23 16:37:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC62C5B3AAA for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:37:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from anny.lostinspace.de (anny.lostinspace.de [195.30.95.33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4cV65LcMz3Lj1 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from server.idefix.lan (040-137-067-156.ip-addr.inexio.net [156.67.137.40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: idefix@fechner.net) by anny.lostinspace.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96CC9517E4; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:37:31 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fechner.net; s=default; t=1616517451; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=2vyvaUzXQQYFvsOCLiGQiQ9LiiGLNhfFQE2rVIhx5lI=; b=t6qHYKs2oHGmWrKD2J1C8GiuIh9NIkboUt8JzSky7o8Xerdj2Me9XlZaXm0poGOH8vi8os tJFYaakrY7btOmzcglxVShPVie9oEPJkpFJKdN8o5xP3KOTFORaUUdNLH8Gp3vxK0Vzjmj pMTqoBDxtBvCiMEcB4pvI5/iyHuq7jg= Received: from [192.168.0.151] (040-137-067-156.ip-addr.inexio.net [156.67.137.40]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB39E14095A; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:37:30 +0100 (CET) To: Waitman Gobble , FreeBSD References: <202103230747.12N7lnl0000125@sdf.org> From: Matthias Fechner Subject: Re: Disappearing files in FreeBSD 13.0-R2 Message-ID: <0ade3392-4e85-fba0-e614-4351ef77e23f@fechner.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:37:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Server: anny.lostinspace.de X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F4cV65LcMz3Lj1 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=fechner.net header.s=default header.b=t6qHYKs2; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=fechner.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of idefix@fechner.net designates 195.30.95.33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=idefix@fechner.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[195.30.95.33:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[fechner.net,none]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[fechner.net:+]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5539, ipnet:195.30.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[156.67.137.40:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[fechner.net:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[fechner.net:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:37:35 -0000 Am 23.03.2021 um 16:40 schrieb Waitman Gobble: > What's basic? I've done this many times with UFS systems but maybe the > first time with ZFS. Maybe creating a pool named "home" mucked things > up for me. The solution was simply deleting /home, an empty directory. > After deleting the backup files I decrypted the second drive, imported > it and it magically showed up on /usr/home where I wanted it. Then I > made a symlink from /usr/home to /home, just because it's always been > that way that I remember. When I have time I'll check out that ZFS > book somebody pointed out. be very careful here. If you use the standard configuration and you create a "directory" in=20 your pool, zfs automatically mount it based on the configuration of your = pool. So if your zroot mounts to / and you create zroot/home it will be=20 mounted to /home. If you want to migrate an old UFS to ZFS make sure you mount your new=20 zpool to an alternative root, to not shadow your current data: zpool create -f -o altroot=3D/mnt zroot /dev/gpt/... (your disc label) If you have already a pool you can them import to an alternative root: zpool import -f -o altroot=3D/mnt -d /dev/gpt zroot Replace zroot with your poolname. Gru=C3=9F Matthias --=20 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 23 20:03:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733D95BA36A for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from p-impout002.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net (p-impout002aa.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net [47.43.26.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F4j412YWTz3tJx for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@twc.com) Received: from [192.168.1.9] ([74.132.18.25]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id OnFZlF9svOzbyOnFZlIM2L; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:03:37 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=G/Fi7Os5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=6dKv8Xy78h5PIHsve0hi3A==:117 a=6dKv8Xy78h5PIHsve0hi3A==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=yLayBJbJAvsFHVvCKKkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=Ew2E2A-JSTLzCXPT_086:22 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Steven Friedrich Subject: synth rebuilds hundreds of ports evry other day Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:03:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDv+iHPGTqkKBeIqJoqyBnqaCsq7Yo+mKS0T68TJ3m0aZgpp2VI+p8cgJndLt06fi7ZJMeX7Kys3+Ey2y3heWhn7L0fsR+kRi+05MEaIpaUzQgd+zc1a LQoy75850qtGVmXR7AKuWF/uTmXRqo0/5HUu93WRAGG8z74ofgAngkZGmLqq4u5vHHXJlUal4ns7JA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F4j412YWTz3tJx X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@twc.com designates 47.43.26.133 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@twc.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[TWC.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:47.43.26.0/24]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[74.132.18.25:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[twc.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[47.43.26.133:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:40294, ipnet:47.43.24.0/21, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[TWC.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[47.43.26.133:from:127.0.2.255]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[47.43.26.133:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:03:46 -0000 I have noticed that synth frequently rebuild 400+ ports every few days. Is this correct behavior or do I have something configured wrong? How can I tell synth to stop rebuilding and deleting rust, for example? I tried installing rust and then locking the package, to no avail. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 23 22:03:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926505BD8FF for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kldunn@hiwaay.net) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (mail.hiwaay.net [216.180.158.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4ljt6MrKz4Y42 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:03:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kldunn@hiwaay.net) Received: (qmail 4613 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2021 22:03:08 -0000 Received: from 50-83-57-148.client.mchsi.com (HELO naur.kad-hg.org) (kldunn@hiwaay.net@50.83.57.148) by mail.hiwaay.net with (SSL TLSv1.2 AES128-GCM-SHA256 encrypted) SMTPS (8cc2799a-8c23-11eb-a1db-c78a16217cf3); Tue, 23 Mar 2021 18:03:08 -0400 Subject: Re: How to get UEFI console resolution on a non-UEFI boot device References: <887d5ed5-b07-661-5e45-4796c3d25dc@naur.kad-hg.org> To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List From: "Karl L. Dunn" X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <887d5ed5-b07-661-5e45-4796c3d25dc@naur.kad-hg.org> Message-ID: <1217eb17-831f-cf9a-0403-c3e812f2440b@hiwaay.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 17:03:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <887d5ed5-b07-661-5e45-4796c3d25dc@naur.kad-hg.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MagicMail-OS: FreeBSD 9.x or newer X-MagicMail-UUID: 8cc2799a-8c23-11eb-a1db-c78a16217cf3 X-MagicMail-Authenticated: kldunn@hiwaay.net X-MagicMail-SourceIP: 50.83.57.148 X-MagicMail-RegexMatch: 1 X-MagicMail-EnvelopeFrom: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F4ljt6MrKz4Y42 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kldunn@hiwaay.net has no SPF policy when checking 216.180.158.37) smtp.mailfrom=kldunn@hiwaay.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.78 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[216.180.158.37:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[hiwaay.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[216.180.158.37:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.785]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:395532, ipnet:216.180.158.0/23, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:03:15 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 4:55 PM Karl Dunn wrote: > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:14 PM Karl Dunn wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > > I really like the resolution settings on the UEFI console but my machine > > > doesn't support UEFI. How can I get the same resolution on this machine? > > > > > > Some things I have already tried/other notes: > > > > > > * I have a nVidia card using x11/nvidia-driver-390 (card not supported on > > > newer drivers) > > > * There is no on board video on the MB > > > * I have played with the settings suggested in vt(4), sc(4) and > > > vidcontrol(1) > > > > > > Here is my current /boot/loader.conf: > > > > > > kern.vt.fb.modes="3840x2160" > > > kern.vty=vt > > > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > > > linux_load="YES" > > > fuse_load="YES" > > > > > > -- > > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > > Can you post output from dmesg and pciconf -lv? > > Sorry for this "middle post". This is kinda long already. Here is a > really wild guess: > > How about this in loader.conf: > > kern.vt.fb.default_mode="3840x2160" > > in place of the fb.modes spec you have. I think kern.vt.fb.modes has to > name a specific device, e.g. kern.vt.fb.modes.VGA-1=""3840x2160". > No go I tried all the obvious devices listed in /dev and all resolutions between 640x480 and the one listed above and no change in resolution with any of the combos ... ... I think the name part of the loader tunable is supposed to be the "connector" name, not a name from /dev. I could not figure out what to use, so that's why I thought kern.vt.fb.default_mode would work. I thrashed around with this problem for a while on my own machine: CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 4300 @ 1.80GHz (1800.55-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="GenuineIntel" Id=0x6f2 Family=0x6 Model=0xf Stepping=2 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0xe39d AMD Features=0x20100800 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x13113842 chip=0x0a6510de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'GT218 [GeForce 210]' class = display subclass = VGA for which I had to use the -340 NVIDIA driver. To make Xorg work right, I had to create this: /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: Section "Device" Identifier "GTX-nnnn" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName "GeForce GTX nnnn" EndSection No matter what I do, I am in the same place you are. Supposedly the functions that are in the -390 module nvidia-modeset.ko are in -340's nvidia.ko, but none of the stuff about modesetting in vt(4) works. The -340 driver apparently does not create or have the functions of nvidia-modeset.ko. So the loader tunable kern.vt.fb.default_mode="x" will not (again: apparently) do anything on my machine. The vt(4) man pages have a discouraging note about modesetting not being supported unless you have a KMS video driver. AFAIK only Intel, AMD, and Radeon are in that category. I think vt(4) means xxxkms.ko and drm.ko, not some other driver that has its own mode setting scheme. I might be wrong about that. I'm wrong about a lot of things -- just ask my wife of 53 years: she's a physics PhD, so she ought to know. It looks as if the 460.56 driver: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/170806/en-us will support your card. You might be able to force the nvidia-driver port to make and install that one. I don't have much hope for it fixing your problem, though. - - - - There is a lot more hope for Intel cards/embedded GPUs. I have three other machines that have flavors of Intel GPUs "built-in", and they work fine, both with console resolution control and Xorg. The kms module will pull in drm module(s), and it is apparently crucial that they load from rc.conf, not loader.conf!! I built the drm package needed (to get the kms and drm for all three kinds) from the port in /usr/ports/graphics rather than do a pkg add, per FreeBSD recommendation: the pre-built package often won't fit the kernel, causing a crash at boot time, even though it's made for the right major release. So if you have a card that has some kind of AMD or Radeon or Intel GPU you might be good. I don't have one; if I did I would outright give it to you to see what happens! Maybe you can borrow one to test. I apologize for such a long story. -- Karl L. 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This is a "well known" and > >> apparently has a workaround but I could not find a combination that > >> worked following the very helpful suggestion out of the X11 mailing > list > >> or google. What did work was 13.0-RC2. Out of the box following > UPDATING > >> and pkg notes. Whatever the issue was it was obviously complex > involving > >> the interaction of several components in Xorg, FreeBSD and whether or > >> nor EFI booting was used. All except the last one are perfectly > obvious. > >> I only mention this as background for why not use git or subversion > (for > >> a while anyway). > >> > >> The fix required that kernel sources be available. On the Lenovo that > >> happened not to be a problem. On another laptop I did not have /usr/src > >> so freebsd-update did not add/update it and I saw no option to add > >> /usr/src. The conf file apparently says take care of it if it is there. > > > > Did you try to use svn? Something in lines > > > > svn co https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/12.2 /usr/src > > > > (confessing: I?m lazy guy, and about a week or so ago I still used svn, > > successfully). > > First Thank you for the suggestion. Re Lazy, me too, hence looking for an > "easy" answer. The svn port had similar [non]success. On the system in > question this was an "I wonder if this works". I have 500+ packages on > this > workstation and have not yet added gimp, yet so there is no need for more > interlocking dependencies. On a Lenovo laptop src was required to install > the drm package required in 13.0 to make it work. Happily it was already > there. > > >> On my HP no /usr/src. I did a package add for git adding 32 required > >> packages and the installed failed to deliver a working git command. So > >> on to subversion with similar results. This with 12.2. > >> > >> As I had already updated to 12.2 and it was working I removed all > >> packages, copied a 12.1 /usr/src from another server and did a fetch. > >> This added in the files new to 12.2 and did report doing anything else, > >> so I rather doubt this is a "good" version of the src tree. > >> > >> All of the above for my real question. since I had a number of 11.3 > >> /usr/src trees, if I had just added that before doing an upgrade I > think > >> that will work. Correct? > >> > > > > I would just move existing /usr/src off the way (rename) and pull fresh > > new of the release you need (say, using svn command if git doesn?t work > > on that machine for whatever reason). > > Probably a good idea. On the servers we go the poudriere route. On > workstations I have never gotten xorg to build and usually do not have the > time to see if it will work this time. I will probably continue my thought > experiement when the workstation morphs to 13. > > I will learn git going forward. I would be nice if for the non internals > folks if this could just be done via the browser. I have no idea if that's > even possible > > > Valeri > > > > > _____ > Douglas Denault > http://www.safeport.com > doug@safeport.com > Voice: 301-217-9220 > Fax: 301-217-9277 > Your point is exactly the one I made back when the last security advisory came out. That led to a long discussion which led to the addition of the sequence number to the hash. All future security and erratas will show the sequence number to resolve the issue. Search for a thread on the stable@ mail archive with a subject of "How do I know if my 13-stable has security patches?" It was the discussion and includes several ways at determining the answer from just the hashes. 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Are there any sites/cdns that maintain older versions of pkg repos that are reliable? Trying to update some packages on a 10.3 install but I can't believe no one hosts older versions of pkgs somewhere? Is there any other workaround to this? (besides upgrading, of course). Thanks! Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 16:16:09 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580175B9973 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5Cyv5QVTz4h3Y for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 859E94E655 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:16:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD.org pkg mirror for older versions? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <8a151ed5-ebce-aad5-714f-457309059d6e@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:16:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5Cyv5QVTz4h3Y X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.10 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:16:09 -0000 On 3/24/21 11:08 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi there ! > > Are there any sites/cdns that maintain older versions of pkg repos that are > reliable? > > Trying to update some packages on a 10.3 install but I can't believe no one > hosts older versions of pkgs somewhere? Is there any other workaround to > this? (besides upgrading, of course). > You are trying to do something that is not designed/supported by any system vendor (not only FreeBSD), and it is something system administrators will not do normally. I know this doesn't help, but be it me, I will upgrade/migrate everything to latest supported release of system and packages/ports. My $0.02 Valeri > Thanks! > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 16:22:17 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8333B5B9B6C for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:22:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ej1-x631.google.com (mail-ej1-x631.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::631]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5D6062rrz4hmZ for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ej1-x631.google.com with SMTP id hq27so33863170ejc.9 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:22:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=L/op470bZ7MwTvKCH/1rAcr1/eX7Gc3ZqcVGmTXHHsM=; b=OeopNt4KtkNqHRdBGfHEMxyJJySBpHJQ2cRYetb0gPeRkIcjywcJUtiocz3GJHMVns arqu6N4SsO4f49KIod/jguKe0ADV3OWwnKPSpLKPTv43H/ElfoThh8SQr8pMy6GiIt2w XKQMgT1dGoX+ClNoOk5R3aO5WkKFD045huAvLNquiVc3p6N9kJMNLuVgd/xbRh83pWWP 30srSAlmEOy4Gyuc8iTXc7kCnS6L2ycZmQf0pZHEE8eXp9MZvCtQBGs01M3IodOlJjWK wNYnmrNXRctx5WYNhRjgX69cz4RWgaB9K9scaU0r1nSaYzRXPd5m1rgPsMFQ8cZm7i5c NgBw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=L/op470bZ7MwTvKCH/1rAcr1/eX7Gc3ZqcVGmTXHHsM=; b=rv803zvV80svWXIiecFxhwR0kD65wMwnak+JCA81cwFtomhOQn/qU55ayhRWO8kwKe RgX6XC+MbH47zaf0ONKd2XAiiSShw9Bof8pGWZ9nhHoHxE+Kx5Oq+BC1yqQACwjQ//2s daUNLjyLMLQs3nvF1YJBk8TzTu56rzbOJDJ6+TuVRF30VTJMznVyfUYGnGGqpCcBaHFg B7FeY82jaXIDP+2OVtDCyw2Oot02ePzQbUWgu5+M3z+rhL2BPaaGhBNP5se/538tWRsL 5SiBkalmYtFaiLPa6DekhkQynppuoOAUHAe/mH5gZkxOeyifF20P7I6n7vn2ihCxrmxp RiPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53276PaDTrpiXP2H0kKO+ibfZhMYemBDt8U6ogj5fhqa5mdfmLJh 6+ZmpktwIrfXFwsUQB+fmPCbHJtcAdmAOlAAU0tZV91C5dE6aQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzGcEPqEKlhZzl40Sp0k6/oQTlIhfg2/9/mSbcIEaXbxQ/IkfEC1la3TIi7vKvbDZR/Z2p4bU55MWgBCXxmB54= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:81d5:: with SMTP id e21mr4521413ejx.102.1616602934060; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:22:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:22:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: usb cdrom disappeared / g_access(961): provider cd0 has error 6 set To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5D6062rrz4hmZ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=OeopNt4K; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::631) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.08 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.781]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::631:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:22:17 -0000 Hello world :-) I need to burn some DVD using external USB burner. I got into some problem with bad disk and now the drive is not visible/available. ugen0.13: at usbus0 (disconnected) umass0: at uhub1, port 1, addr 16 (disconnected) cd0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 cd0: detached g_access(961): provider cd0 has error 6 set g_access(961): provider cd0 has error 6 set g_access(961): provider cd0 has error 6 set How can I regain access to device without rebooting? Any hints welcome :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 16:33:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4E85BA334 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ed1-x536.google.com (mail-ed1-x536.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::536]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5DMT5Wgzz4j8Z for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:33:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ed1-x536.google.com with SMTP id j3so28323329edp.11 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:33:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jqE9RxYkdwyekV8d82PoQvz7fHWfPYR2dTkmnND8Pxk=; b=IDbZWJopLmNP2LCd/R92qLEmxxu4N3N6ol+Zd3mxTXf0Btia3EWdr+L8e34wENjC2L Xs9FFVV/+iClOXJ2GkPz5pDXPR+laCDuvXHjtKBaayVWA0wPqz69ymFBseQjEAHPM7sc LUfBFXM2hRkVZvZwSubD/6pKRohe265vFAjsrnvLnClfiDDRF+h7bf3qPY4DbpwgEhA0 Bgau06LT29DO+aDu5caaJirL+J1cT2kyq2h9LNgChDLFEKNLkhlBNOJ344FCPvLElFcc lxAPh2cggcCP8iBb8PZ3MsZ4qSSD+puns2qPQdKznF/IRlH6QcWAkJljQIzGh2sHZLPx bd4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=jqE9RxYkdwyekV8d82PoQvz7fHWfPYR2dTkmnND8Pxk=; b=H/c9NrLHXzCAl+DWV6EbdndKqhxIiOOfGrWtCLfXazMRd9z4ryTNwdmkS6L4ZvUiAT 1VWtsW06Cdn+dlYuP11+ODFyGkr/rod/u+PiG7viNzzQtLC0I+i1fZfY2t4f4QqUUvWU Eb1IXH5fpqFaWh4kAY5Gx+egFPzbmkddORMoQTcoSc1IHZHYQw/Uz9lSw3rD1lMcBzFI Kq+PaaPVxytwdM8Hl2Fa0vTTB28YhEKAenFb4IFu793Blo/ge1aRU3nXiSlzeufzmPSi WE5DEdCO1Seo0Wl4JZki5v4mBTmnzHOYseUsVQsTpceo0ZJhvYusfpIQvVQdeizT9t+H Dufg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533j5zrKENnUh5Hd8Vbzw+aU9sgw3Md7vSfCyyJ34nWwNKLxtJNZ lweVfoTS/rglcsAg0smg1vc8HZOQsl5vkRwGnsO9TZttMc87GQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJytfu33v2JmUiOvZOp8GQEGVeubSYw+8doPZBanWI303pSIVlwt39n2HpY7qtq1AqfJ+OtNf4M8wElr1QGATtY= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d347:: with SMTP id m7mr4255804edr.260.1616603636054; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:33:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:33:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: usb cdrom disappeared / g_access(961): provider cd0 has error 6 set To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5DMT5Wgzz4j8Z X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=IDbZWJop; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::536) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.96 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::536:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.66)[-0.664]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::536:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::536:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:33:58 -0000 On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 5:22 PM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > I need to burn some DVD using external USB burner. I got into some > problem with bad disk and now the drive is not visible/available. Found a similar bug report here: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253954 May be caused by GEOM but also impacts USB no new device can be attached.. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 19:27:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FC95BD760 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:27:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) Received: from sonic313-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic313-14.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.133.124]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5JCS6gp0z4sn5 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:27:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1616614035; 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I was very surprised. I got it working again but have no clue what I did. In loader.conf I did the following changes: # Original # hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid17.config="as=1 seq=15" # hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config="as=1 seq=0" # end of original hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid21.config="as=1 seq=15" hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid28.config="as=1 seq=0" Is there something I can read that explains all these elements? What is a NID, for example? I just guessed after reading dmesg. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Mar 24 22:53:03 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C0C57A987 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv.0zero9@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com (mail-wm1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5Nmt3lCHz3NJy for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:53:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv.0zero9@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id g25so169473wmh.0 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:53:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=EQXcHOpB1z4iHNXwgWy86Bp6M3OMBKeBw8vb292QeiI=; b=ACT+hqe/E3jMWLIQZxsBTiSWFVnd2g8xp8rnIAOmt45SUTukdifaqd/etg7rCBvPXq x2xrClm1VnzpIeVK6UObWalCtFw396ganSsj7B0C+mOUiNKfgw9yQGbg8Rd/BrRkPqs8 5rx80z01cbDRRnIVbsqZxmF1yo6M2k1EoM1TPukWF4qOOpOkA9TzYppAR6V3EyJDwUU+ FizMrPj78/6eHRyIZJ1kEU5Sf3BYR0Jaj6kcuooleT4tlT+ktpNM0/XlXt6RXSWT5OtP ZtjxdPtz6dVISpfrtuSwAsyFRVZ690F/UIYhmx/iUhK9eNxR+mjxyfd2s32o5IzK79XJ 9WRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=EQXcHOpB1z4iHNXwgWy86Bp6M3OMBKeBw8vb292QeiI=; b=NnHJ7/ieY7PSdyZj/W8ontBgxyhpT27yBwztWvN5AeyD/iOLX0VjS2ZDEQDoYsf738 A1zbDenXA7/Yq5A+h/aGD1/FETHCNSDWlKuYkF67kxTCHlCb6HnET1as5r5L/jeHOhhI Y7h47YdWmOlSRC0LSpDfBkhFuHujEOAh1Rh/oLxOFyDKC7iDgYJ8RFJMoiqTLbQauPhp E7r/1r1UsPhFZW+lP4Lk0kTNqP+r5Z4oKpNyoiLycrkWDH7EEIdZ/GuCldS/fOFugPi9 Xo63NRlvzlWmwKhn0/ev09GY2EtxtZZvWyvnOAmgUhFftBaMwPIEC4fBSaQ+P98xgWFY /wFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532eJT2Cg2i99MsOvSgYRHJeWWi/9CmOzBMoBvDOY0+YzPHkv/PS JSHhjjf8g94Fb8VhksXylifl2RImbsHcvpqpDwd1RHnl45M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx+iUfHcDIoinkt94D62uejCI5atvoK7QnRV9gwobRToU1/Gb+FvVt+0S0gwPuDS7cDE/UFM892eoOeddcGx4w= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:e244:: with SMTP id z65mr4987389wmg.130.1616626375156; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:52:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "parv/freebsd" Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 12:52:19 -1000 Message-ID: Subject: Installation of some Lua packages would cause installation of multiple versions of Lua To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5Nmt3lCHz3NJy X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ACT+hqe/; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of parv0zero9@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::336 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=parv0zero9@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RBL_SEM_IPV6(1.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::336:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::336:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::336:from:127.0.2.255]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::336:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:53:03 -0000 Why o' why do some of FreeBSD Lua packages want to install extra versions of Lua!? My question is how do I avoid that when installing offending packages? Currently I have Lua 5.4 & 5.2 (for Wireshark) installed . Trying to install, for example, security/luasec package would mean installation of Lua 5.1 & 5.3 too. - parv From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 02:48:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9435ACC2A for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 02:48:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) Received: from sonic313-15.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic313-15.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.133.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5V145mBwz4RfP for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 02:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1616640535; bh=pSHWLytzmmvZNFR7YiL3N4txOAFkU4dFVRY2u2falN0=; h=X-Sonic-MF:Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; 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NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[aim.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[74.6.133.125:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aim.com:s=a2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[74.6.133.125:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.6.133.125:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[74.6.133.125:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[aim.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 02:48:58 -0000 On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:27:09 -0400 Aim via freebsd-questions wrote: > > When I added a webcam last night my audio stopped working. I was very surprised. > > I got it working again but have no clue what I did. In loader.conf I did the following changes: > > # Original > # hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid17.config="as=1 seq=15" > # hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config="as=1 seq=0" > # end of original > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid21.config="as=1 seq=15" > hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid28.config="as=1 seq=0" > > Is there something I can read that explains all these elements? What is a NID, for example? I just guessed after reading dmesg. The man page sent me here: Intel High Definition Audio specification I now know cad = codec address, nid = node id. A cad has many nids which correspond to inputs/outputs. The man page now made sense. cad0.nid28 is line out. A seq of 0 turned it off. I switched to a seq of 15 which implements jack detection. cad0.nid21 was a disconnected microphone, it needed no value. In /etc/sysctl.conf setting "hw.snd.verbose=4" let me see everything. Still have no idea why things changed. -- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 08:23:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54955B374E for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from mailout.qeng-ho.org (mailout.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.244]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5dRB5gKfz4jY7 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (unknown [IPv6:2a02:8010:64c9:1::2]) by mailout.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991CD574E4; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:23:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD.org pkg mirror for older versions? To: Alejandro Imass , FreeBSD Questions References: From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <5c54dee4-ca08-09de-6e11-fcd94575ccc6@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:23:26 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5dRB5gKfz4jY7 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.30 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:23:35 -0000 On 24/03/2021 16:08, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Hi there ! > > Are there any sites/cdns that maintain older versions of pkg repos that are > reliable? > > Trying to update some packages on a 10.3 install but I can't believe no one > hosts older versions of pkgs somewhere? Is there any other workaround to > this? (besides upgrading, of course). I don't know about pkg repos but you can find quarterly versions of ports at https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/branches/ which might let you compile whichever packages you need. -- The number of people predicting the demise of Moore's Law doubles every 18 months. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 10:19:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5719C5B84B5 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5h1F4sSMz4rGw for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:19:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id j26so1325415iog.13 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 03:19:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9gVnqVrrUA1mr0k46HEMKibQCwArc3D/s7fZlpVclMo=; b=CJqbTWubPnbWeN26WkfbFmxk/zoGdLOlTDWUIUA9PfII1wMW1ZEEnU97m0JX00J0lM mPplmY5wZOEDtZ8vsODtqRBsjT8RS26IroA8ceGqA0qX2invRAscxHkRyWDu8nBgXSJ2 JiIr1AP3bEFiiY9lq2WsXbA4JgTTLH+SnHPLaN2UQ3/7jHK9/rfpeO4lLK2KDXbKL/yR pPdmPoe+bPpRh69FjR8by+Ci7lOJgC0g4FM5KeLOGu+/mqx5QD3V5wTw+u6D91Td8x4E 4d10fPHHLEeTMXjdqof0fNvbjnJs5rxmq+V8lJkPSSdE/rHgrOT1/Gwdj8OKj2rhztKo yIug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9gVnqVrrUA1mr0k46HEMKibQCwArc3D/s7fZlpVclMo=; b=HOTxAJRkIfDxgtrb0xSM7nGZQR1BbxQbAZNUbSHqcbytcdQqdws/GkUt64k4kDVWZk YVfyuMVRljaQt6MMNaHd9KlQTUFR2NfJeCqfu1xniCP0Z/i1O3irrUHITEVqxEXyO637 baKdeEaaxUV3Ke/UqngoaWkBIpev5d9LbOo0ySdk3Rjw5o3vIUJWQE0cMVahJCh4AUAw a+cxq9JneQSVXQskhkPD4BK0S/Qwkf58iIgGRZ1ImVQaXEmI/prMzQ+8yqzh1P/4KhOP u/g3nyTeG9eBX1rsFK0tUbHLB7wwmc0E/S1PiIQlr5UiCNGdBVz61IgPpII2Ckt3X5Tc sWlQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530qf0Hja8qc45oM6vwftjK151ra8q3jS4sRrf/boJOSQFZkmkBq xEIDsKn2HxvLp5KrKKW+Zr5fhXjI4fb8ncIM5NQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxKnh/w2TfJGWjTMPh4hWQF1Clhd7BiCjBbwGm0XnLrl+iTMwwvALRo/3vmYRTa7KAy0cbdkRTJEfnwjDOfpVw= X-Received: by 2002:a02:c002:: with SMTP id y2mr6821740jai.107.1616667583371; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 03:19:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: PstreeM China Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:19:32 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Adding /usr/src using freebsd-update To: Kevin Oberman Cc: Doug Denault , Valeri Galtsev , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5h1F4sSMz4rGw X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=CJqbTWub; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pstreem@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pstreem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:19:46 -0000 Just download the src.txz from official site. Then tar -C / xfvz src.txz will add the src component into the system. Then, I think you can use the FreeBSD-update to update the src code tree. On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:12 Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 8:45 AM Doug Denault wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:42 PM, Doug Denault wrote: > > >> > > >> My motivation for wanting to do this is basically because updating > > >> 11.3-->12.2 broke my Lenovo Ideapad. This is a "well known" and > > >> apparently has a workaround but I could not find a combination that > > >> worked following the very helpful suggestion out of the X11 mailing > > list > > >> or google. What did work was 13.0-RC2. Out of the box following > > UPDATING > > >> and pkg notes. Whatever the issue was it was obviously complex > > involving > > >> the interaction of several components in Xorg, FreeBSD and whether or > > >> nor EFI booting was used. All except the last one are perfectly > > obvious. > > >> I only mention this as background for why not use git or subversion > > (for > > >> a while anyway). > > >> > > >> The fix required that kernel sources be available. On the Lenovo that > > >> happened not to be a problem. On another laptop I did not have > /usr/src > > >> so freebsd-update did not add/update it and I saw no option to add > > >> /usr/src. The conf file apparently says take care of it if it is > there. > > > > > > Did you try to use svn? Something in lines > > > > > > svn co https://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/12.2 /usr/src > > > > > > (confessing: I?m lazy guy, and about a week or so ago I still used svn, > > > successfully). > > > > First Thank you for the suggestion. Re Lazy, me too, hence looking for an > > "easy" answer. The svn port had similar [non]success. On the system in > > question this was an "I wonder if this works". I have 500+ packages on > > this > > workstation and have not yet added gimp, yet so there is no need for more > > interlocking dependencies. On a Lenovo laptop src was required to install > > the drm package required in 13.0 to make it work. Happily it was already > > there. > > > > >> On my HP no /usr/src. I did a package add for git adding 32 required > > >> packages and the installed failed to deliver a working git command. So > > >> on to subversion with similar results. This with 12.2. > > >> > > >> As I had already updated to 12.2 and it was working I removed all > > >> packages, copied a 12.1 /usr/src from another server and did a fetch. > > >> This added in the files new to 12.2 and did report doing anything > else, > > >> so I rather doubt this is a "good" version of the src tree. > > >> > > >> All of the above for my real question. since I had a number of 11.3 > > >> /usr/src trees, if I had just added that before doing an upgrade I > > think > > >> that will work. Correct? > > >> > > > > > > I would just move existing /usr/src off the way (rename) and pull fresh > > > new of the release you need (say, using svn command if git doesn?t work > > > on that machine for whatever reason). > > > > Probably a good idea. On the servers we go the poudriere route. On > > workstations I have never gotten xorg to build and usually do not have > the > > time to see if it will work this time. I will probably continue my > thought > > experiement when the workstation morphs to 13. > > > > I will learn git going forward. I would be nice if for the non internals > > folks if this could just be done via the browser. I have no idea if > that's > > even possible > > > > > Valeri > > > > > > > > > _____ > > Douglas Denault > > http://www.safeport.com > > doug@safeport.com > > Voice: 301-217-9220 > > Fax: 301-217-9277 > > > Your point is exactly the one I made back when the last security advisory > came out. That led to a long discussion which led to the addition of the > sequence number to the hash. All future security and erratas will show the > sequence number to resolve the issue. Search for a thread on the stable@ > mail archive with a subject of "How do I know if my 13-stable has security > patches?" It was the discussion and includes several ways at determining > the answer from just the hashes. None are pretty though all are clever, > but they won't be needed in the future. > -- > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 14:13:10 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2ED45BEA2A for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5nBZ2g4vz3PDB for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lPQVB-000HXa-SH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 07:58:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 07:58:21 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [matt@openssl.org: [openssl] OpenSSL_1_1_1k create] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5nBZ2g4vz3PDB X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[204.209.81.1:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+a:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[204.209.81.1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_VIRUSFREE_BOTNET(2.00)[204.209.81.1:from]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:13:10 -0000 Given ----- Forwarded message from Matt Caswell ----- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 13:43:58 +0000 From: Matt Caswell To: openssl-commits@openssl.org Subject: [openssl] OpenSSL_1_1_1k create The annotated tag OpenSSL_1_1_1k has been created at 6503afba18b24332d3160a013179258a8edff959 (tag) tagging fd78df59b0f656aefe96e39533130454aa957c00 (commit) replaces OpenSSL_1_1_1j tagged by Matt Caswell on Thu Mar 25 13:28:38 2021 +0000 - Log ----------------------------------------------------------------- OpenSSL 1.1.1k release tag -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFFBAABCAAvFiEEhlersmDwVrHlGQg52cTSbQ5gRJEFAmBckAYRHG1hdHRAb3Bl bnNzbC5vcmcACgkQ2cTSbQ5gRJHB+wgArkcLVfMX7yKdoXiBbPsdcWKTuNvTBRK3 OTym+Szs10L0u13L+1F0JGTMRWIEtBLzCySN9wmxcALhpgs4UpDIgyPFhwIV+PMq GLTCR0DyYTLsaIiSgaYfw3UBYb9JFTdoYLyWrH3QVauuk03WCOo/zWgf3q5ozvfk zYk8ZW4dPpKcPLvVi2IA7OoEKYF9le7UqetkNsBbbSV8kPVOK8QwIwEgC5vrOkkz Qz8TG3fQIYzvgnhf/ZslRGoc8NF7znzP6ggxX6qKS3+5FUDLngGc3MrfxI6yZYk2 sNFr3nhbjP+ef8HaSNAt/qmTpNIBuAOV4eqE6A1egKWiCti4/PmhPQ== =+klc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Benjamin Kaduk (1): Check ASN1_item_ndef_i2d() return value. 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[92.15.61.44]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a14sm8422040wrg.84.2021.03.25.07.27.28 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 07:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:27:27 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adding /usr/src using freebsd-update Message-ID: <20210325142727.33fe9a66@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5nW70BtJz3Pv9 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.98 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.978]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[92.15.61.44:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::329:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::329:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::329:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:27:31 -0000 On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Doug Denault wrote: > The fix required that kernel sources be available. On the Lenovo that > happened not to be a problem. On another laptop I did not have > /usr/src so freebsd-update did not add/update it and I saw no option > to add /usr/src. The conf file apparently says take care of it if it > is there. By default, but see "StrictComponents" in freebsd-update.conf(5) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 15:38:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963995C1CF2 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5q5Z3qb4z3ln3 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 592A0D68F for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from PD0786.local (130.31-255-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.255.31.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E486411C93 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:38:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/E486411C93; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: [matt@openssl.org: [openssl] OpenSSL_1_1_1k create] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <71cce945-dc94-0fdf-eb3f-718bc0cce195@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:38:54 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:38:58 -0000 On 25/03/2021 13:58, The Doctor via freebsd-questions wrote: > Will the FreeBSD kernel need updating from 10 to 14 ? > Given that FreeBSD 10 is well out of support, then yes, if these OpenSSL problems are important for your use case, then you should upgrade. It might be obvious, but "out of support" means "no more security fixes" -- not everyone seems to get that. You don't necessarily have to upgrade all the way to 14 (which isn't even a released version yet) -- there will be fixes for all of the security problems publicised in this OpenSSL release, even if that doesn't go as far as importing OpenSSL 1.1.1k on all branches. 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On Saturday, March 20, 2021, wrote: > Send freebsd-questions mailing list submissions to > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-questions-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-questions digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Mohammad Noureldin) > 2. Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Jerry) > 3. Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Aryeh Friedman) > 4. Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > (Mohammad Noureldin) > 5. Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Jerry) > 6. Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Tomasz CEDRO) > 7. Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Jerry) > 8. Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Steve O'Hara-Smith) > 9. Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > (Mohammad Noureldin) > 10. Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > (Steve O'Hara-Smith) > 11. Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Mohammad Noureldin) > 12. Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Aryeh Friedman) > 13. Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Valeri Galtsev) > 14. Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > (Valeri Galtsev) > 15. Re: OS to replace FreeBSD (Valeri Galtsev) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:01:58 +0100 > From: Mohammad Noureldin > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: > AtsvX3+ZaA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi all, > > I am new to this mailing list, using FreeBSD/*BSD on and off. Joined the > mailing list because I have a couple of project ideas that I want to build > on top of *BSD. > > Though I am new, and maybe relative to many others here I am a newbie, > allow me to comment on all the aspects addressed (so far) in this email > thread: > > - "It is easy to build a new (custom) kernel", "Unix is made by technical > people for technical people", etc: > > Though historically it is true that Unix like systems are made by technical > people for technical people, it doesn't mean that it has to stay like this. > IMHO, such motto causes a great piece of Engineering like *BSD to loose > ground for other Unix like systems, namely Linux and all it's Distros. Not > that I am a Linux hatter, I have respect to both. > > Related to that, I don't believe that it is a good message to FreeBSD > users, that if you don't know how to build a new kernel, then there is no > place for you here. IMHO, this really hurts the image of the community of > FreeBSD specially in the eyes of new commers. Notice these email messages > are archived. > > - About the problem reported: > > Thanks for all who went through the long list of comments on that PR and > explained in brief that it is a USB controller/HW problem. > > In that respect, I do agree with Jerry and others wondering how other OS(s) > can manage running on the same HW (in case that has been proven) ? I > believe it worths looking at that. I would have volunteered to dig deeper > into that, but I know I don't have the required experience (unless someone > is willing to mentor me ? :) ) > > And responding to that:"OK, just shut up and go install another OS", is not > a community building attitude at all. > > And for the sake of discussion, let's assume for a second that Jerry is > lazy or not skilled enough, helping him and fixing the problem or clearly > explaining a solution without bashing him, is not just for Jerry, it is for > the whole community, for the current and new members who will be interested > to join in the future. > > Jerry, I am curious, did you have time to try one the suggestions, > specially running FreeBSD on a VM to see if it still suffers from the same > problem ? > > You all have a great day/evening > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 Jerry wrote: > > > On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:30:00 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: > > >On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Ralf Mardorf > > >wrote: > > > > > >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:16:33 -0700, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: > > >> >Void uses a runit init system with no systemd > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> I suspect it's not a good idea to use Linux without systemd. For > > >> example, by upstream udev is part of systemd. Maintaining Linux > > >> without systemd is a bottomless pit. > > >> > > >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:35:21 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > >> >Recompiling the kernel is *TRIVIAL* if you refuse to do it then you > > >> >should not be using any Unix variant > > >> > > >> I dislike this tone of voice. However, I agree that compiling the > > >> kernel might be less effort, than migrating to another operating > > >> system. If you would e.g. migrate to Arch Linux, you need to get > > >> used to systemd. Getting used to systemd isn't pleasant. If you > > >> chose a Linux distro that doesn't use systemd, you likely will > > >> experience all kinds of trouble, if you want to customize your > > >> install. > > > > > >I used that tone because it really is simple and if you can't/won't > > >recompile the kernel before throwing the baby out despite with the bath > > >water then you really don't have the skills/desire needed to use Unix > > >effectively... Just to show how trivial it really is > > > > > >1. Edit /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC (or i386 instead of amd64 if > > >your still using it) to comment out the xhci line (line 327 in > > >12.2-RELASE-pl3) to remove USB 3.0 support > > >2. cd /usr/src > > >3. make kernel > > >4. etcupdate > > >5. reboot > > > > > >Done.... how hard is that? > > > > I never said I could not compile a new kernel, I said I could not > > install the OS. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the installation > > of the OS precede the creation of a new kernel? Furthermore, the > > screen just rolls away filling up with the error message ad infinitum. > > > > By the way, as I understand it, creating a custom kernel nullifies the > > use of "freebsd update". Wow, things just keep getting better & better. > > > > What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one > > not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain, > > and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The > > problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they never > > were able to get it right. > > > > -- > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:38:08 -0400 > From: Jerry > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: <20210320083808.00000cb1@seibercom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:30:15 +0100, Mohammad Noureldin stated: > >Hi, > > > >On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 10:00 @lbutlr wrote: > > > >> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:10, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: > >> > To anyone who has read the bug report, this is clearly a serious > >> regression issue on certain USB (probably 3) host controller > >> hardware. > >> > >> I've read the bug report and all the replies and it is clearly a > >> flaw in the controller. It is providing an invalid ID. > >> > > > >If that's the case, I am curious how other Unix-Like Operating Systems > >manage to work on the same HW ? > > There are a number of possibilities. > > 1) They have better programmers that can handle abnormalities. > > 2) They realize that there are always going to be flaws in software > and hardware and are smart enough to work around it. > > This is of course assuming that the actual problem is a defective > controller that every other OS can handle correctly. If, and this is > assuming that is correct, then why doesn't FreeBSD just code what the > defective controller is allegedly sending and accept it? > > The simple fact the the code worked in versions prior to 12.x makes > this excuse that the controlled is defective highly suspect. > > -- > Jerry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 659 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: attachments/20210320/27676664/attachment-0001.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:41:31 -0400 > From: Aryeh Friedman > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:35 AM Jerry wrote: > > > What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one > > not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain, > > and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The > > problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they never > > were able to get it right. > > > > The bottom line for many people on the list is this must be the tenth or > twentif time you have complained about this same exact bug across multiple > threads and have absolutely refused to lift a finger to fix it except > complain about how bad FreeBSD is compared to Linux. If Linux is so much > better, STFU and just switch or get off your lazy ass and actually try to > lend a hand. Either way the reason many people are being so rude to you > is at best you refuse to put in any of the work required to fix it and at > worst you are purposely being a troll by even making yet another > thread/post about the same bug you have rehashed many many times before on > this list so that you have a whipping boy to show your hatred towards > FreeBSD with. > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:45:13 +0100 > From: Mohammad Noureldin > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: > MrxA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Jerry, > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 13:38 Jerry wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:30:15 +0100, Mohammad Noureldin stated: > > >Hi, > > > > > >On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 10:00 @lbutlr wrote: > > > > > >> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:10, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: > > >> > To anyone who has read the bug report, this is clearly a serious > > >> regression issue on certain USB (probably 3) host controller > > >> hardware. > > >> > > >> I've read the bug report and all the replies and it is clearly a > > >> flaw in the controller. It is providing an invalid ID. > > >> > > > > > >If that's the case, I am curious how other Unix-Like Operating Systems > > >manage to work on the same HW ? > > > > There are a number of possibilities. > > > > 1) They have better programmers that can handle abnormalities. > > > > 2) They realize that there are always going to be flaws in software > > and hardware and are smart enough to work around it. > > > > This is of course assuming that the actual problem is a defective > > controller that every other OS can handle correctly. If, and this is > > assuming that is correct, then why doesn't FreeBSD just code what the > > defective controller is allegedly sending and accept it? > > > > The simple fact the the code worked in versions prior to 12.x makes > > this excuse that the controlled is defective highly suspect. > > > > Hi Jerry, > > I do understand your frustrations, but if you allow me, it is not a reason > to attack the FreeBSD community and it's developers. Let's please focus on > facts and possible solutions. > > As stated in this thread (and another one), did you have time to try any of > the proposed tests ? > > Looking forward to your reply > > > > -- > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:20:23 -0400 > From: Jerry > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: <20210320092023.000015c8@seibercom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:41:31 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: > >On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:35 AM Jerry wrote: > > > >> What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one > >> not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain, > >> and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The > >> problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they > >> never were able to get it right. > >> > > > >The bottom line for many people on the list is this must be the tenth > >or twentif time you have complained about this same exact bug across > >multiple threads and have absolutely refused to lift a finger to fix > >it except complain about how bad FreeBSD is compared to Linux. If > >Linux is so much better, STFU and just switch or get off your lazy ass > >and actually try to lend a hand. Either way the reason many people > >are being so rude to you is at best you refuse to put in any of the > >work required to fix it and at worst you are purposely being a troll > >by even making yet another thread/post about the same bug you have > >rehashed many many times before on this list so that you have a > >whipping boy to show your hatred towards FreeBSD with. > > Actually, you are the only asshole that seems to have a bug up his ass. > Maybe if you took the swastika out of your ass, you wouldn't be such an > annoying kibitzer. > > -- > Jerry > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 659 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: attachments/20210320/041555cd/attachment-0001.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 14:20:33 +0100 > From: Tomasz CEDRO > To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List > Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 Jerry wrote: > > > I never said I could not compile a new kernel, I said I could not > > install the OS. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the installation > > of the OS precede the creation of a new kernel? Furthermore, the > > screen just rolls away filling up with the error message ad infinitum. > > > > By the way, as I understand it, creating a custom kernel nullifies the > > use of "freebsd update". Wow, things just keep getting better & better. > > > > What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one > > not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain, > > and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The > > problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they never > > were able to get it right. > > > > -- > > Jerry > > > > Hey Jerry :-) > > Please just rebuild and install new kernel, at least to see if that fixes > your problem :-) > > This is a standard procedure when you find a problem, it seems identified, > workaround seems available, a least try if that works for you :-) > > I also use custom compliled kernel to get my Touchpad working on a > non-standard configuration. Until fix is ready and does not break > configuration for others I need to work that way because this is a problem > with _my_setup_. It seems that your problem seems similar. > > Look on the other hand you are helping others not to have this problem in > future.. developers are going through this way everyday and we usually have > broken or incomplete setup just to help others not to have such problems. > With new hardware showing up faster and faster, using their own standards, > or enforcing linux like solutions thing are and will get even worse. This > is not really the issue with FreeBSD, it only gets impacted by this > "bleeding edge" approach around :-) > > Because of drivers I have chosen Linux over FreeBSD around 1999 on my first > desktop PC. Then when Linux kernel api started changing with every minor > release, and when the stable USB stack was created by HPS, I have abandoned > Linux for good and FreeBSD is my ultimate OS of the choice. I even prefer > FreeBSD over OSX/macOS. The problem of quickly changing things and breaking > compatibility is the Linux by design. You will find many more problems like > this over there. We are experiencing this kind of issues here because world > has changed that way unfortunately. > > I can see three effective solutions here: > 1. Use Alt+F2 to switch away from terminal flood and recompile your kernel. > 2. Maybe XHCI/USB3.0 controller can/could be disabled at runtime in > bootloader so it wont be active and the workaround can be ready with no > kernel recompile. > 3. Provide a hardware and development fee for a person that is willing to > fix the problem for you. This will cost time and money but there is a > chance that you will get the fix one day just using freebsd-update :-) > > Free Softwate is free to use, but is really cost developers life time and > all other technical resources and experiences. Just imagine how many > problems of this kind developers have everyday. Most of them work for free > in their free time, but they also need to pay the bills. > > Best regards :-) > Tomek > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:33:04 -0400 > From: Jerry > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: <20210320093304.00001e37@seibercom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:45:13 +0100, Mohammad Noureldin stated: > >Hi Jerry, > > > >On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 13:38 Jerry wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:30:15 +0100, Mohammad Noureldin stated: > >> >Hi, > >> > > >> >On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 10:00 @lbutlr wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:10, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: > >> >> > To anyone who has read the bug report, this is clearly a > >> >> > serious > >> >> regression issue on certain USB (probably 3) host controller > >> >> hardware. > >> >> > >> >> I've read the bug report and all the replies and it is clearly a > >> >> flaw in the controller. It is providing an invalid ID. > >> >> > >> > > >> >If that's the case, I am curious how other Unix-Like Operating > >> >Systems manage to work on the same HW ? > >> > >> There are a number of possibilities. > >> > >> 1) They have better programmers that can handle abnormalities. > >> > >> 2) They realize that there are always going to be flaws in software > >> and hardware and are smart enough to work around it. > >> > >> This is of course assuming that the actual problem is a defective > >> controller that every other OS can handle correctly. If, and this is > >> assuming that is correct, then why doesn't FreeBSD just code what the > >> defective controller is allegedly sending and accept it? > >> > >> The simple fact the the code worked in versions prior to 12.x makes > >> this excuse that the controlled is defective highly suspect. > >> > > > >Hi Jerry, > > > >I do understand your frustrations, but if you allow me, it is not a > >reason to attack the FreeBSD community and it's developers. Let's > >please focus on facts and possible solutions. > > > >As stated in this thread (and another one), did you have time to try > >any of the proposed tests ? > > > >Looking forward to your reply > > I CANNOT install it, so I am unsure of how to build a custom kernel. > Then, assuming I could build a custom kernel, I would not be able to > use the "freebsd update" utility. So, to put it in the vernacular, > "I am fucked if I do, and fucked if I don't". Not a great choice of > options. I am investigating it though. I got some help from a friend on > the Microsoft forum who told me he was almost positive I could install > Windows 10 PRO, then Hyper V and run FreeBSD 12.x or 13.x from there. > He is polling other users to see if they have had success with the same > equipment I process. The one very apparent advantage is that I would be > able to take advantage of Intel's Optane Memory and Storage. As far as > I can tell, FreeBSD does not support that architecture. > > In computing, the robustness principle is a design guideline for software: > > Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from > others (often reworded as "Be conservative in what you send, be liberal > in what you accept"). The principle is also known as Postel's law, > after Jon Postel, who wrote in an early specification of TCP: > > TCP implementations should follow a general principle of robustness: be > conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others. > In other words, programs that send messages to other machines (or to > other programs on the same machine) should conform completely to the > specifications, but programs that receive messages should accept > non-conformant input as long as the meaning is clear. > > Among programmers, to produce compatible functions, the principle is > also known in the form be contravariant in the input type and covariant > in the output type. > > While this is not a TCP issue directly, the same general principal is > still relevant. > > -- > Jerry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 659 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: attachments/20210320/935fcf47/attachment-0001.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:49:02 +0000 > From: Steve O'Hara-Smith > To: Tomasz CEDRO > Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List > Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: <20210320134902.1d0213791f9c6d90a8f259e8@sohara.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 14:20:33 +0100 > Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > Free Softwate is free to use, but is really cost developers life time and > > all other technical resources and experiences. Just imagine how many > > problems of this kind developers have everyday. Most of them work for > free > > in their free time, but they also need to pay the bills. > > To amplify this it has been three years since anyone other than > Hans > Petter Selasky committed to xhci.c, he could probably do with some help > keeping up with the chaos that is USB hardware. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 14:55:01 +0100 > From: Mohammad Noureldin > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Jerry, > > I do agree with others not to talk about the same problem on more than one > thread. This is not helping you or anyone else. > > As for your reply, I was not talking about installing FreeBSD directly, I > was talking about one of the proposed ways to test, by installing FreeBSD > in a VM to see if you would get the same issues. IIUC, this can help more > in understanding and solving the problem. > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 14:33 Jerry wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:45:13 +0100, Mohammad Noureldin stated: > > >Hi Jerry, > > > > > >On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 13:38 Jerry wrote: > > > > > >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:30:15 +0100, Mohammad Noureldin stated: > > >> >Hi, > > >> > > > >> >On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 10:00 @lbutlr wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:10, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: > > >> >> > To anyone who has read the bug report, this is clearly a > > >> >> > serious > > >> >> regression issue on certain USB (probably 3) host controller > > >> >> hardware. > > >> >> > > >> >> I've read the bug report and all the replies and it is clearly a > > >> >> flaw in the controller. It is providing an invalid ID. > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> >If that's the case, I am curious how other Unix-Like Operating > > >> >Systems manage to work on the same HW ? > > >> > > >> There are a number of possibilities. > > >> > > >> 1) They have better programmers that can handle abnormalities. > > >> > > >> 2) They realize that there are always going to be flaws in software > > >> and hardware and are smart enough to work around it. > > >> > > >> This is of course assuming that the actual problem is a defective > > >> controller that every other OS can handle correctly. If, and this is > > >> assuming that is correct, then why doesn't FreeBSD just code what the > > >> defective controller is allegedly sending and accept it? > > >> > > >> The simple fact the the code worked in versions prior to 12.x makes > > >> this excuse that the controlled is defective highly suspect. > > >> > > > > > >Hi Jerry, > > > > > >I do understand your frustrations, but if you allow me, it is not a > > >reason to attack the FreeBSD community and it's developers. Let's > > >please focus on facts and possible solutions. > > > > > >As stated in this thread (and another one), did you have time to try > > >any of the proposed tests ? > > > > > >Looking forward to your reply > > > > I CANNOT install it, so I am unsure of how to build a custom kernel. > > Then, assuming I could build a custom kernel, I would not be able to > > use the "freebsd update" utility. So, to put it in the vernacular, > > "I am fucked if I do, and fucked if I don't". Not a great choice of > > options. I am investigating it though. I got some help from a friend on > > the Microsoft forum who told me he was almost positive I could install > > Windows 10 PRO, then Hyper V and run FreeBSD 12.x or 13.x from there. > > He is polling other users to see if they have had success with the same > > equipment I process. The one very apparent advantage is that I would be > > able to take advantage of Intel's Optane Memory and Storage. As far as > > I can tell, FreeBSD does not support that architecture. > > > > In computing, the robustness principle is a design guideline for > software: > > > > Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from > > others (often reworded as "Be conservative in what you send, be liberal > > in what you accept"). The principle is also known as Postel's law, > > after Jon Postel, who wrote in an early specification of TCP: > > > > TCP implementations should follow a general principle of robustness: be > > conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others. > > In other words, programs that send messages to other machines (or to > > other programs on the same machine) should conform completely to the > > specifications, but programs that receive messages should accept > > non-conformant input as long as the meaning is clear. > > > > Among programmers, to produce compatible functions, the principle is > > also known in the form be contravariant in the input type and covariant > > in the output type. > > > > While this is not a TCP issue directly, the same general principal is > > still relevant. > > > > -- > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:57:40 +0000 > From: Steve O'Hara-Smith > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: <20210320135740.c10f4d671d34ce6590527eb6@sohara.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:33:04 -0400 > Jerry wrote: > > > I CANNOT install it, > > Perhaps I am misunderstanding the situation. AIUI the install > completes it is just that the default console is spammed by error messages > so you can't see the login prompt (it is actually possible to log in and > work under these conditions but it is hideous to do). Fortunately there is > a better option, there are several active virtual consoles available by > hitting Alt-F simply switch to one of those, log in and proceed as > normal. > > > so I am unsure of how to build a custom kernel. > > Then, assuming I could build a custom kernel, I would not be able to > > use the "freebsd update" utility. > > Of course you can use freebsd-update with a custom kernel, I do it > all the time. It just adds the extra step of compiling your custom kernel > before rebooting after the update. My usual sequence for this is: > > freebsd-update fetch > freebsd-update install > cd /usr/src > make kernel > reboot > > NB: make kernel works because I have kernconf set in /etc/make.conf > to the name of my custom kernel config. > > > So, to put it in the vernacular, > > "I am fucked if I do, and fucked if I don't". > > Nope, you just have to understand how to get yourself out of the > hole. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 14:58:51 +0100 > From: Mohammad Noureldin > To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List > Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Tomasz, > > Well said! > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 14:21 Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 Jerry wrote: > > > > > I never said I could not compile a new kernel, I said I could not > > > install the OS. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the installation > > > of the OS precede the creation of a new kernel? Furthermore, the > > > screen just rolls away filling up with the error message ad infinitum. > > > > > > By the way, as I understand it, creating a custom kernel nullifies the > > > use of "freebsd update". Wow, things just keep getting better & better. > > > > > > What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one > > > not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain, > > > and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The > > > problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they never > > > were able to get it right. > > > > > > -- > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > Hey Jerry :-) > > > > Please just rebuild and install new kernel, at least to see if that fixes > > your problem :-) > > > > This is a standard procedure when you find a problem, it seems > identified, > > workaround seems available, a least try if that works for you :-) > > > > I also use custom compliled kernel to get my Touchpad working on a > > non-standard configuration. Until fix is ready and does not break > > configuration for others I need to work that way because this is a > problem > > with _my_setup_. It seems that your problem seems similar. > > > > Look on the other hand you are helping others not to have this problem in > > future.. developers are going through this way everyday and we usually > have > > broken or incomplete setup just to help others not to have such problems. > > With new hardware showing up faster and faster, using their own > standards, > > or enforcing linux like solutions thing are and will get even worse. This > > is not really the issue with FreeBSD, it only gets impacted by this > > "bleeding edge" approach around :-) > > > > Because of drivers I have chosen Linux over FreeBSD around 1999 on my > first > > desktop PC. Then when Linux kernel api started changing with every minor > > release, and when the stable USB stack was created by HPS, I have > abandoned > > Linux for good and FreeBSD is my ultimate OS of the choice. I even prefer > > FreeBSD over OSX/macOS. The problem of quickly changing things and > breaking > > compatibility is the Linux by design. You will find many more problems > like > > this over there. We are experiencing this kind of issues here because > world > > has changed that way unfortunately. > > > > I can see three effective solutions here: > > 1. Use Alt+F2 to switch away from terminal flood and recompile your > kernel. > > 2. Maybe XHCI/USB3.0 controller can/could be disabled at runtime in > > bootloader so it wont be active and the workaround can be ready with no > > kernel recompile. > > 3. Provide a hardware and development fee for a person that is willing to > > fix the problem for you. This will cost time and money but there is a > > chance that you will get the fix one day just using freebsd-update :-) > > > > Free Softwate is free to use, but is really cost developers life time and > > all other technical resources and experiences. Just imagine how many > > problems of this kind developers have everyday. Most of them work for > free > > in their free time, but they also need to pay the bills. > > > > Best regards :-) > > Tomek > > > > -- > > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 10:05:59 -0400 > From: Aryeh Friedman > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 9:20 AM Jerry wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:41:31 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: > > >On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:35 AM Jerry wrote: > > > > > >> What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one > > >> not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain, > > >> and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The > > >> problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they > > >> never were able to get it right. > > >> > > > > > >The bottom line for many people on the list is this must be the tenth > > >or twentif time you have complained about this same exact bug across > > >multiple threads and have absolutely refused to lift a finger to fix > > >it except complain about how bad FreeBSD is compared to Linux. If > > >Linux is so much better, STFU and just switch or get off your lazy ass > > >and actually try to lend a hand. Either way the reason many people > > >are being so rude to you is at best you refuse to put in any of the > > >work required to fix it and at worst you are purposely being a troll > > >by even making yet another thread/post about the same bug you have > > >rehashed many many times before on this list so that you have a > > >whipping boy to show your hatred towards FreeBSD with. > > > > Actually, you are the only asshole that seems to have a bug up his ass. > > Maybe if you took the swastika out of your ass, you wouldn't be such an > > annoying kibitzer. > > > > You went so far as a few threads ago saying that you *REFUSED* to do any > testing or helping on this problem because Dell *REFUSED* to give you > *FREE* hardware to test it on. That sounds really helpful to me! ... BTW > I don't know what country you in but in some countries falsely calling > someone a Nazi is felony.... but calling someone with first name in Hebrew > a Nazi is way beyond any short of netetiquet I don't even know what to call > it > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:15:09 -0500 > From: Valeri Galtsev > To: Mohammad Noureldin > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > On Mar 20, 2021, at 7:01 AM, Mohammad Noureldin < > mohammad@thelightbird.com> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am new to this mailing list, using FreeBSD/*BSD on and off. Joined the > > mailing list because I have a couple of project ideas that I want to > build > > on top of *BSD. > > > > Though I am new, and maybe relative to many others here I am a newbie, > > allow me to comment on all the aspects addressed (so far) in this email > > thread: > > > > - "It is easy to build a new (custom) kernel", "Unix is made by technical > > people for technical people", etc: > > > > Though historically it is true that Unix like systems are made by > technical > > people for technical people, it doesn't mean that it has to stay like > this. > > IMHO, such motto causes a great piece of Engineering like *BSD to loose > > ground for other Unix like systems, namely Linux and all it's Distros. > Not > > that I am a Linux hatter, I have respect to both. > > > > Related to that, I don't believe that it is a good message to FreeBSD > > users, that if you don't know how to build a new kernel, then there is no > > place for you here. IMHO, this really hurts the image of the community of > > FreeBSD specially in the eyes of new commers. Notice these email messages > > are archived. > > That was said by only one - very loud - member of FreeBSD community, > people here are much milder and way more polite. And I for one do not share > the view that FreeBSD in particular and open source systems in general are > only for people with [some] technical knowledge. > > 1. Installation of FreeBSD is quite streamlined (and same are Debian, > Ubuntu?) > > 2. Interaction with machine is same nice as closed source systems' once > you have Xwindow installed (here FreeBSD may need a bit effort compared to > Linuxes I mentioned) > > 3. Compiling kernel. In general this suggest that I repeat here what I > tell my users who never used Linux or UNIX: how many commands do you need > to know to start using shell? 4 - 5, I?ll show you them in a minute. Then > you just start, ? and this is really true. Compiling kernel is just another > 3-4 commands. It is simple, no need to hold people from doing it > > > - About the problem reported: > > > > Thanks for all who went through the long list of comments on that PR and > > explained in brief that it is a USB controller/HW problem. > > > > In that respect, I do agree with Jerry and others wondering how other > OS(s) > > can manage running on the same HW (in case that has been proven) ? I > > believe it worths looking at that. I would have volunteered to dig deeper > > into that, but I know I don't have the required experience (unless > someone > > is willing to mentor me ? :) ) > > No comment on this specific troublesome hardware. Linux in my observation > has many ?workarounds? to deal with misbehaving hardware. FreeBSD may be > acting ?cleaner? here, hence stays more stringent system, but experts may > correct me. I still remember one chipset which is NOT worth effort writing > driver for: BCM 43xx Broadcom WiFi. That is 32 bit chip, sitting on 64 bit > bus, no need to add more detail after that. > > > And responding to that:"OK, just shut up and go install another OS", is > not > > a community building attitude at all. > > I agree, saying that is not polite. Better just ignore the OP. Which I > observe many experts did, though several tried to help. Way back before > first asking for help on one of technical lists I read list etiquette > carefully, and there are several things to keep in mind, the OP didn?t show > some of them (not all definitely). Just some of what I remember: > > Before asking for help, try do resolve issue yourself within your ability > > Describe what you tried and give all details; this simultaneously will > show that you did put effort on your side, then you will less likely to be > ignored > > Disrespect to others is likely to make you ignored > > Read carefully suggestions and try to follow them. Report what worked and > what didn?t. You at least have to respect time and effort of experts trying > to help you. > > -- > I stop here just by saying, please, everybody, do not take this as an > attempt of ?mentoring?, but someone may find truth in the above; I for one > did. > > > I have just one comment on the hardware choice: this one is one of Dell > ?consumer grade? products, which is not intended to last, I wouldn?t choose > it myself. They look cheaper upfront, but they end up more expensive in a > log run. Dell OptiPlex (not much more expensive) would have been my choice > of the same class of hardware. > > Be it me, I would go with one or both of solutions already suggested in > the thread: > > 1. Disable in BIOS on board USB and add USB card if necessary > > 2. Recompile kernel with switched off USB-3. The first for me would be > preferable, just to not keep recompiling kernel once kernel security > patches are released (but that is me, lazy person) > > > Good luck, Jerry, in resolving your technical issue. > > Valeri > > > And for the sake of discussion, let's assume for a second that Jerry is > > lazy or not skilled enough, helping him and fixing the problem or clearly > > explaining a solution without bashing him, is not just for Jerry, it is > for > > the whole community, for the current and new members who will be > interested > > to join in the future. > > > > Jerry, I am curious, did you have time to try one the suggestions, > > specially running FreeBSD on a VM to see if it still suffers from the > same > > problem ? > > > > You all have a great day/evening > > > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 Jerry wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:30:00 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: > >>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Ralf Mardorf > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:16:33 -0700, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: > >>>>> Void uses a runit init system with no systemd > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I suspect it's not a good idea to use Linux without systemd. For > >>>> example, by upstream udev is part of systemd. Maintaining Linux > >>>> without systemd is a bottomless pit. > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:35:21 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >>>>> Recompiling the kernel is *TRIVIAL* if you refuse to do it then you > >>>>> should not be using any Unix variant > >>>> > >>>> I dislike this tone of voice. However, I agree that compiling the > >>>> kernel might be less effort, than migrating to another operating > >>>> system. If you would e.g. migrate to Arch Linux, you need to get > >>>> used to systemd. Getting used to systemd isn't pleasant. If you > >>>> chose a Linux distro that doesn't use systemd, you likely will > >>>> experience all kinds of trouble, if you want to customize your > >>>> install. > >>> > >>> I used that tone because it really is simple and if you can't/won't > >>> recompile the kernel before throwing the baby out despite with the bath > >>> water then you really don't have the skills/desire needed to use Unix > >>> effectively... Just to show how trivial it really is > >>> > >>> 1. Edit /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC (or i386 instead of amd64 if > >>> your still using it) to comment out the xhci line (line 327 in > >>> 12.2-RELASE-pl3) to remove USB 3.0 support > >>> 2. cd /usr/src > >>> 3. make kernel > >>> 4. etcupdate > >>> 5. reboot > >>> > >>> Done.... how hard is that? > >> > >> I never said I could not compile a new kernel, I said I could not > >> install the OS. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the installation > >> of the OS precede the creation of a new kernel? Furthermore, the > >> screen just rolls away filling up with the error message ad infinitum. > >> > >> By the way, as I understand it, creating a custom kernel nullifies the > >> use of "freebsd update". Wow, things just keep getting better & better. > >> > >> What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one > >> not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain, > >> and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The > >> problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they never > >> were able to get it right. > >> > >> -- > >> Jerry > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:35:34 -0500 > From: Valeri Galtsev > To: Mohammad Noureldin > Cc: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: <98F5179B-981F-46F3-8F6C-2695EE23C5E8@kicp.uchicago.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > > On Mar 20, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Mohammad Noureldin < > mohammad@thelightbird.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 10:00 @lbutlr wrote: > > > >> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:10, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: > >>> To anyone who has read the bug report, this is clearly a serious > >> regression issue on certain USB (probably 3) host controller hardware. > >> > >> I've read the bug report and all the replies and it is clearly a flaw in > >> the controller. It is providing an invalid ID. > >> > > > > If that's the case, I am curious how other Unix-Like Operating Systems > > manage to work on the same HW ? > > > > Linux may have ?workaround? that. But that is Linux: it is really full of > hacks and workarounds, good clean system better does not go that way. I?m > glad FreeBSD doesn?t (hopefully). Don?t be a hostage of bad hardware > manufacturers. > > Just my $0.02 > > Valeri > > > > >> -- > >> "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?" > >> "Are you pondering cheesesticks?" > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:32:20 -0500 > From: Valeri Galtsev > To: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD > Message-ID: <617090F5-5664-44E2-AA96-218A486A3C69@kicp.uchicago.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > On Mar 19, 2021, at 3:42 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp > wrote: > > > > Anno domini 2021 Fri, 19 Mar 21:32:14 +0100 > > Ralf Mardorf scripsit: > >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:16:33 -0700, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: > >>> Void uses a runit init system with no systemd > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I suspect it's not a good idea to use Linux without systemd. For > >> example, by upstream udev is part of systemd. Maintaining Linux without > >> systemd is a bottomless pit. > > > > Oh, you can use Devuan - wich works perfect. But I'd reverse the > argument: It's not a good good idea, to run Linux with systemd. Basicly > systemd is the argument to move away from Linux. > > > > Indeed. Once [systemd related] code was aded to kernel, it was it. Kernel > is polluted, and cleaning that away from kernel only adds extra bugs and > problems. Even maintaining the branch of kernel stemming from pre-systemd > is not as good as were it no systemd in the world at all. > > But that is just extra argument to move away from Linux (at least systems > that can be moved away). > > Valeri > > > Nik > > > >> > >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:35:21 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >>> Recompiling the kernel is *TRIVIAL* if you refuse to do it then you > >>> should not be using any Unix variant > >> > >> I dislike this tone of voice. However, I agree that compiling the kernel > >> might be less effort, than migrating to another operating system. If you > >> would e.g. migrate to Arch Linux, you need to get used to systemd. > >> Getting used to systemd isn't pleasant. If you chose a Linux distro > >> that doesn't use systemd, you likely will experience all kinds of > >> trouble, if you want to customize your install. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Ralf > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also > sharing with the NSA, CIA ... > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ------------------------------ > > End of freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 875, Issue 10 > ************************************************** > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 16:55:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824DE5C414E for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5rpH4vmtz3sYw for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 12PGtk5p067690 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:55:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Xorg/Lenovo/drm revisited Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:55:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5rpH4vmtz3sYw X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.62 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.87)[-0.867]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.66)[-0.657]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:55:52 -0000 I recently tried to update my Ideapad to 12.2 turning it into a paperweight. 13.0 solved that. So I upgraded two Dell towers and an old HP laptop to 12.2 all working [almost] without a hitch. None of these systems recognize double-click as paste in xterm or on the xfce desktop. The latter is almost irrelevant as that is supposed to list all windows on all desktops (I have 8). Having to drop the mouse and do shift-insert is annoying but almost a "who cares". My question involves trying to fix that. After many attempts I did a `Xorg -configure`, lifted the mouse device section and added `Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"` putting that in /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d. This resulted in the hardware not recognizing the mouse or keyboard. Neither deleting the xorg.conf.d entry or changing rc.conf to specify ums0 worked. startx started X with no mouse or keyboard. The only error I could find in message was /dev/psm0 could not be opened. Reinstalling was the only thing (I could find) that worked. The system uses ums0. xinput: System mouse id=7 [slave pointer (2)] ps : /usr/sbin/moused -p /dev/ums0 -t auto -I /var/run/moused.ums0. Xorg.0.log: [474.691] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/dev/input/event1" [474.691] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "System mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 7) [474.691] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none" Can't open psm0 is written to the console during boot but not logged. All of this for two questions: 1) what change from the xorg.conf.d entry could stop the system from working after it was removed? 2) does double-click work for most, or is my result the current norm? _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 17:00:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0475C46C1 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:00:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5rvd5h1bz3t1H for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:00:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0AB956179 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 12PH0MuC015827 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:00:22 GMT (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 12PH0Mjv015824 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:00:22 GMT (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:00:22 +0000 (UTC) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: RW via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Adding /usr/src using freebsd-update In-Reply-To: <20210325142727.33fe9a66@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: <7d519573-6c99-f554-ea27-4fba450a3dc@fledge.watson.org> References: <20210325142727.33fe9a66@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5rvd5h1bz3t1H X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@fledge.watson.org has no SPF policy when checking 204.107.128.30) smtp.mailfrom=doug@fledge.watson.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.97 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@safeport.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[204.107.128.30:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[204.107.128.30:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[watson.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.996]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.98)[0.978]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:00:30 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) > Doug Denault wrote: > > >> The fix required that kernel sources be available. On the Lenovo that >> happened not to be a problem. On another laptop I did not have >> /usr/src so freebsd-update did not add/update it and I saw no option >> to add /usr/src. The conf file apparently says take care of it if it >> is there. > > By default, but see "StrictComponents" in freebsd-update.conf(5) > Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 17:13:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1725C4BBF for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4ce00044f9d0c.f661aa23d4215ca78e446d1ec00643d4@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5sBh6Gs4z3tjs for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4ce00044f9d0c.f661aa23d4215ca78e446d1ec00643d4@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1616692413; x=1619284413; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=Zva08MubjttinYggFg/lV5cww98W8NdZLTS/QYLX8Is=; b=hvaoLCx3LdIok7xH/3FJbl0S0dHCgq2rE3+iATl12eBsNCjROxw62dAT6MCQfnVVbFvuQJLkv+OVnw8hmjXlX7PdRzuSLuRaDqEwVYUJg+wkeiwBKQ6LZSaz3lTjdz6yb9NEz3q/4MuB+ucyyh8AQ6jLa8nrkijuHGGWJ0sdju8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRjZTAwMDQ0ZjlkMGMuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9RnJlZUJTRC5PUkc= Received: from r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 13:13:16 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 13:13:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lPTXm-000BxS-1i; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:13:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:13:13 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Doug Denault Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xorg/Lenovo/drm revisited Message-Id: <20210325171313.95c9f4a47431cf24d87926aa@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5sBh6Gs4z3tjs X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=hvaoLCx3; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4ce00044f9d0c.f661aa23d4215ca78e446d1ec00643d4@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4ce00044f9d0c.f661aa23d4215ca78e446d1ec00643d4@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4ce00044f9d0c.f661aa23d4215ca78e446d1ec00643d4@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4ce00044f9d0c.f661aa23d4215ca78e446d1ec00643d4@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:13:33 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Doug Denault wrote: > None of these systems recognize double-click as paste in xterm or on the > xfce desktop. The latter is almost irrelevant as that is supposed to list > all windows on all desktops (I have 8). Having to drop the mouse and do > shift-insert is annoying but almost a "who cares". I've always (some decades now) used middle button for paste in X11, double click selects a word IME. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 18:01:49 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315AF5C6A47 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5tGN3MCjz4SgF for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 12PI1nnX072560; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:01:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:01:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xorg/Lenovo/drm revisited In-Reply-To: <20210325171313.95c9f4a47431cf24d87926aa@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20210325171313.95c9f4a47431cf24d87926aa@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:01:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5tGN3MCjz4SgF X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:01:49 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:55:46 -0400 (EDT) > Doug Denault wrote: > >> None of these systems recognize double-click as paste in xterm or on the >> xfce desktop. The latter is almost irrelevant as that is supposed to list >> all windows on all desktops (I have 8). Having to drop the mouse and do >> shift-insert is annoying but almost a "who cares". > > I've always (some decades now) used middle button for paste in X11, > double click selects a word IME. That acutally might explain #2. The mouse I am using as are all the usb one's I have are at least 10, maybe 15 years old, no three buttons here. For these guys double-click has always meant paste. Not supporting legacy stuff may be the norm these days. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 18:52:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C7D5C7DE8 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4ce000453d0a4.2be61f3f2da927900ea5c725769a0725@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5vPM6cm5z4WPW for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4ce000453d0a4.2be61f3f2da927900ea5c725769a0725@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1616698376; x=1619290376; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=24EN7OcNWaUTWG0jwRnlBEXx2Ot7zbC0DNqSSB3PSj4=; b=aoMjfKJTamb84FcghEpLyPq/0j+OmR4rlWbZ4qw9YB5xHtIu9wtoCRY1St8UNB6Fs0MF4TGrAwRDzSxfZxK5MB6Xb7GEvsNHS4hnrWeNEmkXcADAryw/H5iRc7u5xzFumlkwrqV0SQbt7ZRShnGjdtabkDkCutIhs1L2kzilMgs= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRjZTAwMDQ1M2QwYTQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9RnJlZUJTRC5PUkc= Received: from r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.12]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:52:46 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:52:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lPV63-000CCP-BO; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:52:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:52:43 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Doug Denault Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xorg/Lenovo/drm revisited Message-Id: <20210325185243.52e604a89737328d6de20292@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20210325171313.95c9f4a47431cf24d87926aa@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5vPM6cm5z4WPW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=aoMjfKJT; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4ce000453d0a4.2be61f3f2da927900ea5c725769a0725@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4ce000453d0a4.2be61f3f2da927900ea5c725769a0725@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4ce000453d0a4.2be61f3f2da927900ea5c725769a0725@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4ce000453d0a4.2be61f3f2da927900ea5c725769a0725@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:52:56 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Doug Denault wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:55:46 -0400 (EDT) > > Doug Denault wrote: > > > >> None of these systems recognize double-click as paste in xterm or on > >> the xfce desktop. The latter is almost irrelevant as that is supposed > >> to list all windows on all desktops (I have 8). Having to drop the > >> mouse and do shift-insert is annoying but almost a "who cares". > > > > I've always (some decades now) used middle button for paste in > > X11, double click selects a word IME. > > That acutally might explain #2. The mouse I am using as are all the usb > one's I have are at least 10, maybe 15 years old, no three buttons here. > For these guys double-click has always meant paste. Not supporting legacy > stuff may be the norm these days. By double click do you mean hit both buttons ? That used to be controlled by an EmulateThreeButtons setting somewhere in the X config (it's been a long time since I needed it). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 19:14:32 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F56578A1F for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (mail.geeks.org [IPv6:2001:4980:3333:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5vtH6vjLz4XtN for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3116BA041 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:14:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 1A78FA040; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:14:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:14:24 -0500 From: Doug McIntyre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD.org pkg mirror for older versions? Message-ID: References: <8a151ed5-ebce-aad5-714f-457309059d6e@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8a151ed5-ebce-aad5-714f-457309059d6e@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5vtH6vjLz4XtN X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of merlyn@geeks.org designates 2001:4980:3333:1::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=merlyn@geeks.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:4980:3333:1::1:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.90)[0.904]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:4980:3333:1::1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[geeks.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7753, ipnet:2001:4980::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:14:32 -0000 On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:16:01AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On 3/24/21 11:08 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > Are there any sites/cdns that maintain older versions of pkg repos that are > > reliable? ... > You are trying to do something that is not designed/supported by any > system vendor (not only FreeBSD), and it is something system > administrators will not do normally. ... I wish there was a way to grab old packages, when I run into bugs in the latest versions that weren't in the earlier versions. Or dropped features, or added features that interfer with something else that will take you 6 weeks to clear. Thankfully I have a big enough pool of machines, that I can usually find the older package in one of the package caches of another machine. But still, would be nice to load the older package back directly. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 19:29:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DDA57920E for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5wCY00YFz4Ybb for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:29:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE78966965; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 12PJLgBV031241 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:21:42 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) with ESMTP id 12PJLg9x031238; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:21:42 GMT (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:21:42 +0000 (UTC) From: doug@safeport.com Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xorg/Lenovo/drm revisited In-Reply-To: <20210325185243.52e604a89737328d6de20292@sohara.org> Message-ID: <497a74b4-d0f1-665-6472-fe59c6e88115@safeport.com> References: <20210325171313.95c9f4a47431cf24d87926aa@sohara.org> <20210325185243.52e604a89737328d6de20292@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5wCY00YFz4Ybb X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com does not designate 204.107.128.30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.50 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@fledge.watson.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_DN_EQ_FROM_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[204.107.128.30:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[204.107.128.30:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; VIOLATED_DIRECT_SPF(3.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:29:30 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:01:49 -0400 (EDT) > Doug Denault wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:55:46 -0400 (EDT) >>> Doug Denault wrote: >>> >>>> None of these systems recognize double-click as paste in xterm or on >>>> the xfce desktop. The latter is almost irrelevant as that is supposed >>>> to list all windows on all desktops (I have 8). Having to drop the >>>> mouse and do shift-insert is annoying but almost a "who cares". >>> >>> I've always (some decades now) used middle button for paste in >>> X11, double click selects a word IME. >> >> That acutally might explain #2. The mouse I am using as are all the usb >> one's I have are at least 10, maybe 15 years old, no three buttons here. >> For these guys double-click has always meant paste. Not supporting legacy >> stuff may be the norm these days. > > By double click do you mean hit both buttons ? That used to be > controlled by an EmulateThreeButtons setting somewhere in the X config > (it's been a long time since I needed it). > Yes. It worked from fbsd 4.5 until 11.4 and xorg 7.6. I had (until now) no need for three button mouse. Adding 3ButtonEmulate was the cause of #1. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 19:37:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607CC5795D4 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5wNs51qDz4Ysl for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 12PJbYHG076838; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:37:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:37:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xorg/Lenovo/drm revisited In-Reply-To: <20210325191300.233aea38c53431d9dc9d377c@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20210325171313.95c9f4a47431cf24d87926aa@sohara.org> <20210325191300.233aea38c53431d9dc9d377c@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:37:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5wNs51qDz4Ysl X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:37:34 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:01:49 -0400 (EDT) > Doug Denault wrote: > >> That acutally might explain #2. The mouse I am using as are all the usb >> one's I have are at least 10, maybe 15 years old, no three buttons here. >> For these guys double-click has always meant paste. Not supporting legacy >> stuff may be the norm these days. > > > > Suggests that xinput is the modern way to do this. > Almost: xinput list: System mouse id=7 [slave pointer (2)] artemis:~> xinput set-prop 7 "Evdev Middle Button Emulation" 1 property 'Evdev Middle Button Emulation' doesn't exist, you need to specify its type and format There are some other command that should get me there, thanks _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 20:13:13 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBFC57A61D for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:13:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4ce000454fed1.834f3e2cb0aff28bda3b4350f383e960@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5xB06jRRz4c6l for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:13:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4ce000454fed1.834f3e2cb0aff28bda3b4350f383e960@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1616703193; x=1619295193; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=NwyWbrJzmZ7Ye41IVYS2BFelzYA3CiLGS26UBS6BOxo=; b=MAaHPrAn8xqoDDQg0CDGeosWMSow5J4Ymy7ygaJUvLvbbG70Dd6SXIH6FvWIFbLA/OuwTS9iFcSuwClihXb/k0As5EekWQYLVSyNllb9xF6Yw0qEzhQfbfoxaO3hMPz/9rfboECHQDXUTq+dN3r6IsYhC7Y9oV9OkPm6xyM+Wwc= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRjZTAwMDQ1NGZlZDEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9RnJlZUJTRC5PUkc= Received: from r4.h.in.socketlabs.com (s1-b40f.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.180.15]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:13:03 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:13:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lPVPg-000CHe-HR; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:13:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:13:00 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Doug Denault Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xorg/Lenovo/drm revisited Message-Id: <20210325191300.233aea38c53431d9dc9d377c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20210325171313.95c9f4a47431cf24d87926aa@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5xB06jRRz4c6l X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=MAaHPrAn; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4ce000454fed1.834f3e2cb0aff28bda3b4350f383e960@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4ce000454fed1.834f3e2cb0aff28bda3b4350f383e960@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [9.30 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4ce000454fed1.834f3e2cb0aff28bda3b4350f383e960@email-od.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4ce000454fed1.834f3e2cb0aff28bda3b4350f383e960@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; URIBL_BLACK(7.50)[sohara.org:url]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:13:13 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 14:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Doug Denault wrote: > That acutally might explain #2. The mouse I am using as are all the usb > one's I have are at least 10, maybe 15 years old, no three buttons here. > For these guys double-click has always meant paste. Not supporting legacy > stuff may be the norm these days. 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Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:59:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:59:34 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Doug Denault Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xorg/Lenovo/drm revisited Message-Id: <20210325195934.fb0f10f10fe67c4bbdb6ee77@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20210325171313.95c9f4a47431cf24d87926aa@sohara.org> <20210325191300.233aea38c53431d9dc9d377c@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5yCs5P01z4fyr X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=sL1TL+Jt; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4ce0004586e36.be237ff9ee2438c7caaf33134e6544a5@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4ce0004586e36.be237ff9ee2438c7caaf33134e6544a5@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [9.30 / 15.00]; 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Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5zf351R7z4kS0; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lPY6S-000BnN-5I; Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:05:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 16:05:20 -0600 From: The Doctor To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [matt@openssl.org: [openssl] OpenSSL_1_1_1k create] Message-ID: References: <71cce945-dc94-0fdf-eb3f-718bc0cce195@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <71cce945-dc94-0fdf-eb3f-718bc0cce195@FreeBSD.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F5zf351R7z4kS0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 22:04:11 -0000 On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 03:38:54PM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 25/03/2021 13:58, The Doctor via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Will the FreeBSD kernel need updating from 10 to 14 ? > > > > Given that FreeBSD 10 is well out of support, then yes, if these OpenSSL > problems are important for your use case, then you should upgrade. It > might be obvious, but "out of support" means "no more security fixes" -- > not everyone seems to get that. > > You don't necessarily have to upgrade all the way to 14 (which isn't > even a released version yet) -- there will be fixes for all of the > security problems publicised in this OpenSSL release, even if that > doesn't go as far as importing OpenSSL 1.1.1k on all branches. > Here is the full details NULL pointer deref in signature_algorithms processing (CVE-2021-3449) ===================================================================== Severity: High An OpenSSL TLS server may crash if sent a maliciously crafted renegotiation ClientHello message from a client. If a TLSv1.2 renegotiation ClientHello omits the signature_algorithms extension (where it was present in the initial ClientHello), but includes a signature_algorithms_cert extension then a NULL pointer dereference will result, leading to a crash and a denial of service attack. A server is only vulnerable if it has TLSv1.2 and renegotiation enabled (which is the default configuration). OpenSSL TLS clients are not impacted by this issue. All OpenSSL 1.1.1 versions are affected by this issue. Users of these versions should upgrade to OpenSSL 1.1.1k. OpenSSL 1.0.2 is not impacted by this issue. This issue was reported to OpenSSL on 17th March 2021 by Nokia. The fix was developed by Peter K??stle and Samuel Sapalski from Nokia. Note ==== OpenSSL 1.0.2 is out of support and no longer receiving public updates. Extended support is available for premium support customers: https://www.openssl.org/support/contracts.html OpenSSL 1.1.0 is out of support and no longer receiving updates of any kind. The impact of these issues on OpenSSL 1.1.0 has not been analysed. Users of these versions should upgrade to OpenSSL 1.1.1. References ========== URL for this Security Advisory: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20210325.txt Note: the online version of the advisory may be updated with additional details over time. For details of OpenSSL severity classifications please see: https://www.openssl.org/policies/secpolicy.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Cheers, > > Matthew > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! 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X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Sat, 08 Feb 2020 21:53:50 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on in02.mta.xmission.com) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F61h13b4cz4qvd X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=xmission.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wa5qjh@xmission.com designates 166.70.13.232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wa5qjh@xmission.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.38 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[166.70.13.232:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.70.13.0/24]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.977]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[xmission.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[166.70.13.232:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[166.70.13.232:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6315, ipnet:166.70.0.0/16, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[166.70.13.232:from:127.0.2.255]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 23:36:02 -0000 A little over a week ago, I Think I found distfiles somewhere in freebsd.org= . then a few days later, No more! now I have to goto distcache.freebsd.org f= or the particular type and eventually find digests.txz which is not the old d= istfiles. The problem with that is that where I used to be able to download m= y distfiles while I had good bandwidth for the times when I didnt, Now, if t= he net is down, so to speak, and it's down more than its up here in the boon= docks of the philippines, I'm out of business.No building poudriere or even s= ome single port.=20 is there some work-around? 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Carter" Subject: ipps cups printer broken recently Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:54:26 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.85 X-Rspamd-Server: h2 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F63Qf5xWQz3FNp X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=pinyon.org header.s=dkim header.b=NiAc01Ek; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rcarter@pinyon.org designates 65.101.20.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rcarter@pinyon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pinyon.org:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.101.20.170:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pinyon.org:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.991]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.101.20.170:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.101.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 00:54:35 -0000 Greetings, I don't print much but tax season is coming up and now I need too. Last July I had gotten a Brother_HL_L2340D working via ipps protocol. Sometime in the last months that protocol stopped working. I see that cups has been updated to 2.3.3op2. Now it can't see my printer, but a linux box on the same network sees it just fine: This is a stable/13 box with up to date ports tree. $ linux> lpstat -l -e Brother_HL-L2340D_series permanent ipp://localhost/printers/Brother_HL-L2340D_series ipp://Brother%20HL-L2340D%20series._ipp._tcp.local/ Brother_HL_L2340D_series_knuth network none ipps://Brother%20HL-L2340D%20series%20%40%20knuth._ipps._tcp.local/cups $ freebsd> lpstat -l -e That is, no output produced. When I try to add the printer on FreeBSD using the cups interface (http://localhost:631/) it can find: Brother HL-L2340D series (Brother HL-L2340D series) However the connection is lpd://BRWD80F9967A5AB/BINARY_P1, and after configuring as a RAW printer as before, it cannot contact the printer when printing the test page. I earlier used to kludge this by sharing the printer from linux cups but now the freebsd box doesn't see that either. Linux cups prints a test page just fine over ipps. Linux cups is version 2.3.3op2, same as freebsd cups. Anyone have an idea how I might fix this? Did the cups adjacent set of packages change so I now missing something essential? 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>> … > Here is the full details > > NULL pointer deref in signature_algorithms processing (CVE-2021-3449) … Thanks, and for anyone who's not already aware, there's a pair: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 09:28:19 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432C95B8AFF; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:28:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [IPv6:2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6GqQ2f54z4RVt; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6168B83CC; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:28:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YSqLeaBhtuhT; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 787648693; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:28:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1616750888; bh=HFJmkkbmtqD7hh/GeVKTThQyioQuRrmwtaze1bImOhI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=gXwepqffW+XYnjS87iSNU8wnMFNvLEo1XbBBYwD1a/tzRQR8C7RIcoUEge0z09DCY /a2dS70IZdXf8rd2iRyfodhzPxXTdBNzzSVH7wzzP++DLLYaYxcZw90BOzs4yoiroh shH4BMpz3s0p1hUkMQXGfFGK0ZQJsw/8wzJRiIF4= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (lfbn-dij-1-1138-109.w90-125.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.125.86.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 399C78027; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:28:06 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1616750886; bh=HFJmkkbmtqD7hh/GeVKTThQyioQuRrmwtaze1bImOhI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=qBVw1bvTzlR1seLLDS6sffzVSHLySqPJaf5NUeiRAYQMlqe8ICYRUPZWzK94G5yVv ITlzUogjdyEuZHl4pbATNttZejwE2AQfwiGZ3GeLLRlCWO9mMF+jU0ilGzfNPwIX91 1EqocwDQTv1Sd3mfQ1AHoi9UmNn261OfEztfkVek= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B8EA68128; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:28:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:28:04 +0100 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org Subject: Move jails hard way to iocage Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6GqQ2f54z4RVt X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=gXwepqff; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=qBVw1bvT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17:from]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f9::/32, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-jail,freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:28:19 -0000 Hello Friends, I run many jails, configured in the "hard way" (ie `/etc/jail.conf` file) and I would like to move them into iocage. I can't find any help on the Internet (may be I did search corretly). Did some own have a pointer or a how-to? Thanks in advance for your time and advises, -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 09:35:19 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D05A5B9383 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.19]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6GzV37ZGz4RZT for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A62178D for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 05:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap36 ([10.202.2.86]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); 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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[langille.org,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.147.123.19:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:64.147.123.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[langille.org:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[dan]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[64.147.123.19:from]; MID_RHS_WWW(0.50)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:35:19 -0000 On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, at 5:28 AM, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Hello Friends, > > I run many jails, configured in the "hard way" (ie `/etc/jail.conf` file) and > I would like to move them into iocage. > > I can't find any help on the Internet (may be I did search corretly). > > Did some own have a pointer or a how-to? > > Thanks in advance for your time and advises, https://dan.langille.org/2021/02/28/converting-an-iocage-jail-to-a-vanilla-jail/ -- Dan Langille dan@langille.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 12:58:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A156E5BEB1D for ; 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Carter" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipps cups printer broken recently Message-ID: <20210326135836.1298d9f3@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6MVB13Yvz4dvb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5432, ipnet:195.238.0.0/19, country:BE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:58:42 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:54:26 -0700 "Russell L. Carter" wrote: > Greetings, > I don't print much but tax season is coming up and > now I need too. Last July I had gotten a Brother_HL_L2340D > working via ipps protocol. Sometime in the last months > that protocol stopped working. I see that cups has been > updated to 2.3.3op2. Now it can't see my printer, but a > linux box on the same network sees it just fine: > > This is a stable/13 box with up to date ports tree. > > $ linux> lpstat -l -e > Brother_HL-L2340D_series permanent > ipp://localhost/printers/Brother_HL-L2340D_series > ipp://Brother%20HL-L2340D%20series._ipp._tcp.local/ > Brother_HL_L2340D_series_knuth network none > ipps://Brother%20HL-L2340D%20series%20%40%20knuth._ipps._tcp.local/cups > > $ freebsd> lpstat -l -e > > That is, no output produced. > > When I try to add the printer on FreeBSD using the cups > interface (http://localhost:631/) it can find: > > Brother HL-L2340D series (Brother HL-L2340D series) > > However the connection is lpd://BRWD80F9967A5AB/BINARY_P1, and > after configuring as a RAW printer as before, it cannot contact > the printer when printing the test page. > > I earlier used to kludge this by sharing the printer from linux > cups but now the freebsd box doesn't see that either. Linux cups > prints a test page just fine over ipps. Linux cups is version > 2.3.3op2, same as freebsd cups. > > Anyone have an idea how I might fix this? Did the cups adjacent > set of packages change so I now missing something essential? Do you have cups-filters installed? 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R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.147.123.24]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[langille.org:+,messagingengine.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[langille.org,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.147.123.24:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:64.147.123.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[langille.org:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[dan]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[64.147.123.24:from]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; MID_RHS_WWW(0.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:01:04 -0000 On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, at 5:34 AM, Dan Langille wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, at 5:28 AM, Jacques Foucry wrote: > > Hello Friends, > > > > I run many jails, configured in the "hard way" (ie `/etc/jail.conf` file) and > > I would like to move them into iocage. > > > > I can't find any help on the Internet (may be I did search corretly). > > > > Did some own have a pointer or a how-to? > > > > Thanks in advance for your time and advises, > > https://dan.langille.org/2021/02/28/converting-an-iocage-jail-to-a-vanilla-jail/ Sorry, I misread, and though you were moving to jails. This is from ezjail to iocage. Might help. https://dan.langille.org/2019/04/08/converting-thin-jails-to-thick-jails/ Yes, I have been moving from iocage to vanilla jails. I find it better suits my use cases, specifically my FreshPorts jails which contain zfs file systems which it must occasionally issue a 'zfs rollback'. I also like that my jails start or stop faster. The additional work I need to do relates to jail creation (creating the file systems etc). For that, I'm using https://github.com/mkjail/mkjail - in fact, this morning I am using that to update several jails. e.g. [dvl@r720-02:~/src/mkjail/src] $ sudo bin/mkjail upgrade -v 12.2-RELEASE -j nginx01 After reading FreeBSD Mastery: Jails I saw how straight forward a jail.conf entry can be. https://mwl.io/nonfiction/os#fmjail -- Dan Langille dan@langille.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 14:07:25 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8745782BE for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62b.google.com (mail-ej1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6P1S4drjz4jqY for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id kt15so8571060ejb.12 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:07:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MsyY/daMKR/KcEMErFnGG2/6YmUksIgR2tlt8/QuzjQ=; b=R6tqQKbsnzph9N7SklLRJtcGnf2CIh9s/XY++w+afydqQfNV6p73wmbpxoajeJSIJ3 wf4GZB+XpPJJcuIaslxKolekU5xJ8rVtVkRe3XNhUEul+wMyfppdXvEg+HVfWjpITXcY i8YK6tHqpVh4Oohc/+aluH3v9UjZiCj8IwzXUNQc0r66S0mBgrcsbgayRO6KFGJre87S s8UkPCiNEqJORWwKhIE87Hdo2M2u/WDrFnLfSFDYw6zODg/MdTZHu4t5MLXjJrp2Efge AKiADSowk76SXL66qs1p7svLVe8d/FUqThSiNhBofZtU8DTvfe/+pTvCWIdOfpt64ayd 2mqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MsyY/daMKR/KcEMErFnGG2/6YmUksIgR2tlt8/QuzjQ=; b=cr47HY8vR5+DGVyMeRc2cddVlkH4nZNAXkQuByIWfBa2KlaTo+45fvmncQgfwfZWO5 ANKmBnTnzXS5lMHLYqEpCc4fOyatgEoGdbicCymiG1q7tM2/AvabJf1dfnHAgOvhJ6v5 VJ0eXOVJE2uRuyUl0BpCP1BLyK5UmN7bfTUldSLiLYwBpUjnwIFvxEJUlvUvAK6Glrgg fTKZUUBacCuCkeEgofQV0rrKDiBeBN4tOdQUz4yaQiLHAPeDTJPqHEMgL396MTo5OO/E cd5OqTGE/8h2E+fvZlhS983KALN9LS68JSRota2MPSNyzsc31mufFV9vohKqf/4JT9pT k3LQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530wPuE5+Toefg53+3VbY4HYtos1OZ+prmDPwZexDXbEaruBHYTd JCOkVVFtgxewi+ELj5HmQ+Sb7S4DA6VZGpGlMwGTpYnRJZ2afw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzAwS9tMGuctO3eJ/IWAX57XJlvUskHdhFgD/iWNLMJRC1ZvH8Wlpmcx4lwXIeD0cqwbzVVcVVnBVOcd9PqhJU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:24c7:: with SMTP id f7mr15220766ejb.473.1616767642900; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:07:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8a151ed5-ebce-aad5-714f-457309059d6e@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Alejandro Imass Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:07:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD.org pkg mirror for older versions? To: Doug McIntyre Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6P1S4drjz4jqY X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=R6tqQKbs; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::62b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.75 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.25)[-0.248]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:07:25 -0000 Yeah agreed. I can't believe these are not maintained long-term and that no one has ever volunteered to host them. On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 3:14 PM Doug McIntyre wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 11:16:01AM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On 3/24/21 11:08 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > Are there any sites/cdns that maintain older versions of pkg repos > that are > > > reliable? > ... > > > You are trying to do something that is not designed/supported by any > > system vendor (not only FreeBSD), and it is something system > > administrators will not do normally. > ... > > I wish there was a way to grab old packages, when I run into bugs in > the latest versions that weren't in the earlier versions. Or dropped > features, or added features that interfer with something else that > will take you 6 weeks to clear. > > Thankfully I have a big enough pool of machines, that I can usually > find the older package in one of the package caches of another machine. > > But still, would be nice to load the older package back directly. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 15:29:39 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED085579E58 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6QrM09Smz4p7k for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12QFTUm2068320 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:29:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: mysql time-zone ambiguity? 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You must configure either the server or JDBC driver (via the 'serverTimezone' configuration property) to use a more specific time zone value if you want to utilize time zone support. A diff says that /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Denver is the same as /etc/localtime. And the mysql time by default is set to 'SYSTEM': garya@localhost [(none)]> select @@GLOBAL.time_zone, @@SESSION.time_zone; +--------------------+---------------------+ | @@GLOBAL.time_zone | @@SESSION.time_zone | +--------------------+---------------------+ | SYSTEM | SYSTEM | +--------------------+---------------------+ 1 row in set (0.00 sec) on 11.4-RELEASE Feels like the system is reporting the timezone as MDT and mysql wants something like MDT/Denver? I thought MDT was unique; Arizona is different. Seems like this should default properly; ideas for what I have screwed up? Also running ntpd if that matters. 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Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:36:20 +0000 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd-update doesn't increment update from 12.2-p4 to 12.2-p5 Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M+OOo91RrPFeBQuu" Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6R093zJnz4pfM X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm2 header.b=nk+zY8ip; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=XzrLHMIk; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 64.147.123.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[64.147.123.20:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zyxst.net:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; 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On many systems I'm running 21.2-p4. When I run freebsd-update fetch it says=20 "The following files will be updated as part of updating to 12.2-RELEASE-p5:" [long list of files] so I run freebsd-update install, it all installs, then reboot. But uname -a still says 12.2-p4=20 ????? --=20 J. --M+OOo91RrPFeBQuu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAmBd/2sACgkQs8o7QhFz NAViKBAAhDqzkz9bqzfuDtGW2T8WW1iuyG+OFISC+yitkckTZTXbWue8sN+PvqOE KtUeFP/XjR+bykCYmj4M7QFmqOBNff8Eef+zsFp1rYjW13zdnMxIjrFcpC69ySxx /3SsQcciWPZ/91i06PNJuUHNHmaPkUTiviaJkYVAlXxr7XNkkdsEyU/fId1fTDZq +5PDK7WExQcBhyH4C/jrQ9Xa/etKGtAS6WxOOo3qaD4OZGy7BfTTUeoDc8BSCaMn /Omy/nuUgiW2B86efogGiAIFinAXqae/C0Sd1N8VY2atxXPOw9uJa2grU21dvFlO y4iBURqTNW6bEN+ba71MD8paPWi0D7fjgX4hixM1HpABDALLfPd0L8EKa39Tw312 rOpNkcgtQXt4kuR0dRgGd+Pbw3MHYrnWm7/+f2RV51pefvg3x1H/s0Tmv19kTskk N0I61XTFpinul3HS6Gzmw28AKaDrlKI5a5TM6JRnjxAr7WG/3Q1tOQC4gbaIKU/9 Khy9iq1cwv973rN4XpUVQvfvb3HVbogsGEOCiuDUNvW740ohr7z+AL0ghr7p6JMP NqQvOQVSYS4bkN2OW+sq3fyqTUsW/b2xLAurikPuT3+eeVmkM179DmJ9oRpOJAA6 6gyl2eG+oes6qow9FbovtT4NNZ1v7KskJ0qDfYa9OP25/+/RJac= =MI91 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M+OOo91RrPFeBQuu-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 15:43:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB62F57A3DB for ; 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format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:36:20PM +0000, tech-lists wrote: >Hi, > >Recently there was an update to cover the cve[s] for openssl. On many >systems I'm running 21.2-p4. When I run freebsd-update fetch it says >"The following files will be updated as part of updating to >12.2-RELEASE-p5:" >[long list of files] > >so I run freebsd-update install, it all installs, then reboot. >But uname -a still says 12.2-p4 agh ignore me. freebsd-update -u returns p5. there's no kernel update in -p5 so thats why uname -a doesn't include it sorry for the noise --=20 J. --XsJRnr3YW1b+lM9d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAmBeAS0ACgkQs8o7QhFz NAV5MxAAgvqbR3mDF5QLt2rP7fI+AOzqDXXN9nbTXS9lixKAJaCe4WnrxlXBhWsQ CvXUi6hpkoHrn3rHFefmPyF3t6LvEy5tEdu48j1t/leTJTc4Fpcly9bXoh03DVUh Br5NRK4cSdAEk4qpDijdMAwhVvA8r869tgfwwKSut1rP55xRLHObC1ajDUwY3waC hK6Hya4/QcPn+BjHjr5GkVcd8orBy3NoLoZb7ofOsc5pl7v6/slsNBqn1gn4BXB/ ol07VruNfnzi7KHFxWQxD0/7dF8El5Ii4rCeD+XeGJmhb6+CTkJUavPGh/R0Es/l dDF/XlfjOTl05FZod7X1Qmg86w9nZyxy0p9OVkekwYEJKC9Brjx6tG2VPIpjpvwI xnQHXCH6x9RO0PfBOggt/xTmtJJj9p656hbkG1luHeUGk5OKEAdMPfdHWZQ0IXTl UvYcvaqAWKmP+/0KRSLQkUjGFbraTQg2rFRpn0amAhdJ0vHkffciFFZFNjfHDPE1 y3FGMXrcRPGl4vKW6tWX7Ukk1gQ6bRx527jb/wD03/AkhE9d62UmxNBEFLChlTa+ msAScQgh7uVV7y5M7BSs3BaQfABlouAkNaKJhOoRhL8caR/ZMGULO824ep6h5Nlz jZAlnzKTHvcCYyglD5IMYDyTEW5qKDoFjktPOX5HDZrFzMgZWIA= =+ZjW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsJRnr3YW1b+lM9d-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 16:05:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14AA57B556 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:05:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bferrell@baywinds.org) Received: from baywinds.org (50-196-187-248-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.187.248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "baywinds.org", Issuer "rr-v" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6Rdx5qBrz4rmg for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bferrell@baywinds.org) Received: from [192.0.2.130] (rr-iii [192.0.2.130]) by baywinds.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 12QG5WMV025622 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:05:32 -0700 Subject: Re: mysql time-zone ambiguity? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Bruce Ferrell Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:05:32 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.12 (baywinds.org [192.0.2.134]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:05:32 -0700 (PDT) for IP:'192.0.2.130' DOMAIN:'rr-iii' HELO:'[192.0.2.130]' FROM:'bferrell@baywinds.org' RCPT:'' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.12 (baywinds.org [192.0.2.134]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:05:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6Rdx5qBrz4rmg X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=baywinds.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bferrell@baywinds.org designates 50.196.187.248 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bferrell@baywinds.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[50.196.187.248:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[50.196.187.248:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[baywinds.org,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:50.128.0.0/9, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:05:42 -0000 On 3/26/21 8:29 AM, Gary Aitken wrote: > mysql57-server installed;  When testing a jdbc connection I get: > > The server time zone value 'MDT' is unrecognized or represents more than one time zone. You must configure either the server or JDBC driver (via the 'serverTimezone' > configuration property) to use a more specific time zone value if you want to utilize time zone support. > > A diff says that /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Denver is the same as /etc/localtime. > > And the mysql time by default is set to 'SYSTEM': > > garya@localhost [(none)]> select @@GLOBAL.time_zone, @@SESSION.time_zone; > +--------------------+---------------------+ > | @@GLOBAL.time_zone | @@SESSION.time_zone | > +--------------------+---------------------+ > | SYSTEM             | SYSTEM              | > +--------------------+---------------------+ > 1 row in set (0.00 sec) > > on 11.4-RELEASE > > Feels like the system is reporting the timezone as MDT and mysql wants something > like MDT/Denver?  I thought MDT was unique; Arizona is different. > Seems like this should default properly; ideas for what I have screwed up? > Also running ntpd if that matters. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Gary, Your error is from JDBC/java. if you enter "date" at the cli, you'll see the timezone your system is set for. %: date Fri Mar 26 08:49:13 PDT 2021 "Technically"  all timezones are just an offset from UTC, and US/Mountain is a label that points to that offset in the zone info files. From the mysql documents: /|timezone|/ values can be given in several formats, none of which are case-sensitive: * As the value |'SYSTEM'|, indicating that the server time zone is the same as the system time zone. * As a string indicating an offset from UTC of the form |[/|H|/]/|H|/:/|MM|/|, prefixed with a |+| or |-|, such as |'+10:00'|, |'-6:00'|, or |'+05:30'|. A leading zero can optionally be used for hours values less than 10; MySQL prepends a leading zero when storing and retriving the value in such cases. MySQL converts |'-00:00'| or |'-0:00'| to |'+00:00'|.        mysql timezones are expressed as that offset and the labels come from a timezone table that is not populated by default.        Named time zones can be used only if the time zone information tables in the |mysql| database have been created and populated. Otherwise, use of a named time zone results in an error: There is a cli command that is usually part of the mysql distribution, *mysql_tzinfo_to_sql* that converts the system zone information files to sql for loading into the time zone tables ex: |mysql_tzinfo_to_sql /usr/share/zoneinfo | mysql -u root -p mysql | the mysql server timezeone setting is usually set in the /etc/my.cnf file, expressed as that offset: |default-time-zone='/timezone/'| || || || From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 16:10:32 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E25F57B8AE for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6RlW4BmKz4sCx for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id d8-20020a1c1d080000b029010f15546281so5187170wmd.4 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3KRtOeodb7/REaBkgtK56T2GVSdGfiOsFjRl8oo11/0=; b=oWZ5UimagCjBonzUA/ihgBM5RAj1bqeYld2usoiNCWM+86rEADXo5eCb7sT4kFktA7 3T1U0aT1Rfbt5q+rr/pf7mfoITwcQFl6GZ2BnZnbtK2evGiWTOuyCg6nHCQUurvuhjSp ke6iBs20OGMYXqD+p9Bq4B6nc2jW+zbTXDSmBSY6eOoE/9dXmYKDQ7MG/J5YNcKzTUmB 3TXPFLUXGMXnoGXpII8e+jYkwuQ0JXFFPvYaQtuNzi/M92hwGSYWI+gXncz1RXRI+LVj X5g7ufrKFmAYi8L363fe81VTxOK5RRAa8P2yIXxs4LEVVjS4OD+Iw3kGGzFmPMoUpmp4 mUYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530gxsV0Eev+4sm/Y+K+4VNQt5pSzkYy1kyrWOlsD2RRhilzPAvA HWbf8KRXW3j65kcuhtgPTdvz/jrmgbprJA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzmfqapHHfBNuPIHl+9kOy4IZYzA6c1gMw0wO+ED8aBclGGl7/RtFKzxBOXK1uHJAb2Ce/0+g== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:bc8a:: with SMTP id m132mr13364197wmf.6.1616775030099; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (host-92-15-61-44.as43234.net. 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Message-ID: <20210326161028.53043059@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6RlW4BmKz4sCx X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[92.15.61.44:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::331:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::331:from:127.0.2.255]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::331:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:10:32 -0000 On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:34:59 +0800 wa5qjh wrote: > A little over a week ago, I Think I found distfiles somewhere in > freebsd.org. then a few days later, No more! now I have to goto > distcache.freebsd.org for the particular type and eventually find > digests.txz which is not the old distfiles. The problem with that is > that where I used to be able to download my distfiles while I had > good bandwidth for the times when I didnt, Now, if the net is down, > so to speak, and it's down more than its up here in the boondocks of > the philippines, I'm out of business.No building poudriere or even > some single port. is there some work-around? Why is it easier to download distfiles from freebsd.org rather than from mirrors? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 16:23:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B270D57BBFA for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6S223hPcz4t9W for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 04b51710 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: FreeBSD.org pkg mirror for older versions? To: Alejandro Imass , Doug McIntyre Cc: FreeBSD Questions References: <8a151ed5-ebce-aad5-714f-457309059d6e@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <63b9c024-fb97-1160-c98b-70ee38fe793f@nomadlogic.org> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:22:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6S223hPcz4t9W X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:23:07 -0000 On 3/26/21 7:07 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > Yeah agreed. I can't believe these are not maintained long-term and that no > one has ever volunteered to host them. i think that's what the quarterly branch is supposed to achieve, or at least give some cushion for those who don't want the latest and greatest. you can roll your own pretty easily.  for example you can use the files in /var/cache/pkg/ and periodically store them somewhere safe.  obviously rolling back like this breaks all promises of working pkgs since dependencies and the base freebsd system itself evolves over time. alternatively, and this is what i've done myself, is have a poudriere setup that uses git for the ports tree.  then i can rewind the entire ports tree to a specific revision and ensure all dependencies are aligned when building an old version of a critical pkg. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 16:42:57 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC19E57C9E9 for ; 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It is for this reason that freebsd-version was written - that will show you both kernel and userland versions. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 16:56:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F0257D195 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:56:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x52c.google.com (mail-ed1-x52c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6SmN6Q14z3Br1 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:56:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-ed1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id dm8so7103632edb.2 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:56:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=JDEQUCJV7X+OwElYxaAt2hiYquXljTFR8rXothz8QMM=; b=dOKhgwy1RQPfwB8tANFbJNJsO9cvjPdU2aqmt5JEpGGY9DI63/orIIPMDGZaWlRlXZ BHXii27Lvmc/s6iM8E+gYh8IRJffSjUY9imXaqUTYIigv4W905ZGDBMGRP+ORM8S/laX qCl6yrvHEu5FtJ41tzzzw2kivexMtf+YiGnWD4c9GOCpyHMRNrr1y4K9PvpQibolS9jD a3kII7Zm81z+BN0gccK080yQgfGr7JxAwagkdbSapRAGaNf0Mrv9QZkr8exV4BZzT3W3 sm+CsjcXGV4ioOR8kGLQIPlu6+fiWK47kz74ed7x0cax7SljYqXm9/Js+plAZvuX/MW0 r8NA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JDEQUCJV7X+OwElYxaAt2hiYquXljTFR8rXothz8QMM=; b=b8Mn/6C0pzzHnGwQLF6d/xYDm4MItLV/J+GVc0KZDnnrg78wTSsQk/oWqT1WaBbxhC upMDLfG7u6khhwqTqaZLKIQTKqfppcEXHNhvBDj73ohwTsnGXoBA9Cu0XTNLM2t6FhMv wIBHLVXcZMJ/sYSAXnmQnASSAwNIdQ0/dy9SwRJdegv0SPtr8kYb55CF7LosfrN5oMnE smWm7MJAfyaYKv8ADq+1tSYYw1B80vcJrDgHGmmvjlll7qrv3eZN0MHLt4JQyywtMqK4 tCSMC60HxPo/rV4LQ1rwJEqqTjT/N/pViFIMuw3funr9oRDEqVu6ptLVoWzg5x8Wga4l HpYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531RfaJt4MC+jZq3E4QuhUZuM6xIipQh3vWi0DbM+GkTrheApwpA c+ZjyAG6/4PBfZO5We8/VCTDe1MnFWXCZxAHWq6we1yYJC2cEw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzH7KeLQNlWx+On47Y3tSNK0GcFjnXJMkBM54yhW7srhUkUS2ekbwzb5voMJ0kZSdUIUZJkwReaf2x+f8ZqqL0= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:cd63:: with SMTP id ca3mr16288763edb.265.1616777779414; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 09:56:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8a151ed5-ebce-aad5-714f-457309059d6e@kicp.uchicago.edu> <63b9c024-fb97-1160-c98b-70ee38fe793f@nomadlogic.org> In-Reply-To: <63b9c024-fb97-1160-c98b-70ee38fe793f@nomadlogic.org> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:56:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD.org pkg mirror for older versions? To: Pete Wright Cc: Doug McIntyre , FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6SmN6Q14z3Br1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=dOKhgwy1; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::52c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.34 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52c:from]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52c:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.841]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::52c:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:56:21 -0000 That's a great approach, thanks for the suggestions. In the past I never suffered this since I've mostly worked with ports but I didn't know I would have these issues by switching to pkg. It seems retarded that we don't have archives, honestly. On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:23 PM Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 3/26/21 7:07 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > Yeah agreed. I can't believe these are not maintained long-term and that > no > > one has ever volunteered to host them. > i think that's what the quarterly branch is supposed to achieve, or at > least give some cushion for those who don't want the latest and greatest. > > you can roll your own pretty easily. for example you can use the files > in /var/cache/pkg/ and periodically store them somewhere safe. > obviously rolling back like this breaks all promises of working pkgs > since dependencies and the base freebsd system itself evolves over time. > > alternatively, and this is what i've done myself, is have a poudriere > setup that uses git for the ports tree. then i can rewind the entire > ports tree to a specific revision and ensure all dependencies are > aligned when building an old version of a critical pkg. > > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 17:34:37 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE77057E321 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from mailout.qeng-ho.org (mailout.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.244]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6TcW1xKmz3FRW for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (unknown [IPv6:2a02:8010:64c9:1::2]) by mailout.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBEE38030 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: freebsd-update doesn't increment update from 12.2-p4 to 12.2-p5 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20210326154238.48921ea741e2c9e3d46f0378@sohara.org> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:34:20 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210326154238.48921ea741e2c9e3d46f0378@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6TcW1xKmz3FRW X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.37 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.155.128.244:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.93)[0.929]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:34:38 -0000 On 26/03/2021 15:42, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:36:20 +0000 > tech-lists wrote: > >> so I run freebsd-update install, it all installs, then reboot. >> But uname -a still says 12.2-p4 > > That is because uname -a shows the kernel version and there > were no kernel changes between p4 and p5. It is for this reason that > freebsd-version was written - that will show you both kernel and userland > versions. > As a public service announcement for those who have missed it, freebsd-version can show you the kernel version on disk (-k), the kernel version actually running (-r) and the userland version (-u). The first two may differ if you've done an update but haven't rebooted yet. -- The number of people predicting the demise of Moore's Law doubles every 18 months. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 17:40:25 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8C557E87B for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:40:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6TlC4DbTz3Fqn for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12QHduR0068637; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:39:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: mysql time-zone ambiguity? To: Bruce Ferrell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <80c1be90-8780-6cb9-36aa-1dc4e22ccfaf@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:39:56 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:39:57 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6TlC4DbTz3Fqn X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:40:25 -0000 On 3/26/21 10:05 AM, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > On 3/26/21 8:29 AM, Gary Aitken wrote: >> mysql57-server installed;  When testing a jdbc connection I get: >> >> The server time zone value 'MDT' is unrecognized or represents more than one time zone. You must configure either the server or JDBC driver (via the 'serverTimezone' configuration property) to use a more specific time zone value if you want to utilize time zone support. >> >> A diff says that /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Denver is the same as /etc/localtime. >> >> And the mysql time by default is set to 'SYSTEM': >> >> garya@localhost [(none)]> select @@GLOBAL.time_zone, @@SESSION.time_zone; >> +--------------------+---------------------+ >> | @@GLOBAL.time_zone | @@SESSION.time_zone | >> +--------------------+---------------------+ >> | SYSTEM             | SYSTEM              | >> +--------------------+---------------------+ >> 1 row in set (0.00 sec) >> >> on 11.4-RELEASE >> >> Feels like the system is reporting the timezone as MDT and mysql wants something >> like MDT/Denver?  I thought MDT was unique; Arizona is different. >> Seems like this should default properly; ideas for what I have screwed up? >> Also running ntpd if that matters. > Your error is from JDBC/java. I figured that out :-) >        Named time zones can be used only if the time zone information tables in the |mysql| database have been created and populated. Otherwise, use of a named time zone results in an error: > > There is a cli command that is usually part of the mysql distribution, *mysql_tzinfo_to_sql* that converts the system zone information files to sql for loading into the time zone tables > > ex: > > |mysql_tzinfo_to_sql /usr/share/zoneinfo | mysql -u root -p mysql | > > the mysql server timezeone setting is usually set in the /etc/my.cnf file, expressed as that offset: > > |default-time-zone='/timezone/'| Thanks. I read that but thought (and still think) it should happen by default. Why doesn't the default installation process load the time zone tables? The default installation results in mysql setting the time to "SYSTEM", with or without the time zone tables loaded. Since the system appears to be returning the time "MDT", which mysql doesn't understand, it seems to me there is something wrong with the mysql_tzinfo_to_sql translation or the zoneinfo or both. After loading the time zone tables, if .my.cnf default-time-zone is explicitly set to "MDT" (what the default 'SYSTEM' value for mysql results in), I still get an error. I have to not only load the zone tables into the server, I have to also explicitly set default-time-zone='America/Denver' For some reason, 'MDT' and 'America/Denver' are not considered equivalent. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 17:48:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDDE57ED31 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:48:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6Twd627tz3GWC for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12QHmUcs068664; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: problems upgrading mysql 5.6 => 5.7 (SOLVED) To: "John R. Levine" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210321235845.E3B5870DD030@ary.qy> <5ec345c3-01a6-f959-0971-5836ecc85e20@dreamchaser.org> <64d150fd-9de-dacf-d88b-2dc57addaf15@iecc.com> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <6845a7af-c8fa-dc0d-5ba0-c735bc8aadeb@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:48:30 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <64d150fd-9de-dacf-d88b-2dc57addaf15@iecc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:48:31 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6Twd627tz3GWC X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 17:48:34 -0000 On 3/22/21 5:42 PM, John R. Levine wrote: >>> If you're using the mysql-server package, Mysql runs as the mysql >>> user, user ID 88, and all of its data files should belong >>> to mysql. >>> >>> Unless you really REALLY know what you are doing, nothing but mysql should be >>> writing the files in its database directory so nobody else should have write access to it. >> >> Well, I really *don't* know what I'm doing... >> I always started mysqld from a user account.  I didn't pay attention to the >> owner/protections on the files, just set the data dir, and at one point I >> changed the permissions of everything in that account to 600; I may have >> forced the owner/group as well.  I knew mysqld ran as mysql but I thought it >> only did that when started by root. > > Assuming you have superuser access to your freebsd box, I think you will find that things work better when you run them the way they expect to be run.  The mysql-server script expects to he run by root, usually at system startup, and then switch to the mysql user. It turns out the problem had little to do with permissions or the account used to start the server, and everything to do with mysql 5.7 default specifications/changes. /usr/local/etc/mysql/my.cnf for 5.7 specifies: innodb_data_file_path = ibdata1:128M:autoextend and the file in my datadir was smaller. My ibdata1 file had size 27262976 1024 * 1024 = 1048576 27262976 / 1048576 = 26 I had to add the following to ~/.my.cnf: innodb_data_file_path=ibdata1:26M:autoextend innodb_temp_data_file_path=ibtmp1:26M:autoextend innodb_data_home_dir=/usr/home/me/mysql_data innodb_log_group_home_dir=/usr/home/me/mysql_data The server then starts up fine from a normal user account using a data dir with owner/group of user:user and file permissions of 600. I found this in the following bug report: https://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=96497 Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 18:11:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A96C57F261 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bferrell@baywinds.org) Received: from baywinds.org (50-196-187-248-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.187.248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "baywinds.org", Issuer "rr-v" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6VRP5lkjz3HhK for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bferrell@baywinds.org) Received: from [192.0.2.130] (rr-iii [192.0.2.130]) by baywinds.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 12QIBdqV024025; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:11:39 -0700 Subject: Re: mysql time-zone ambiguity? To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <80c1be90-8780-6cb9-36aa-1dc4e22ccfaf@dreamchaser.org> From: Bruce Ferrell Message-ID: <6cc15ffb-8941-27bd-e9ef-b4960c4ed303@baywinds.org> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:11:39 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <80c1be90-8780-6cb9-36aa-1dc4e22ccfaf@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.12 (baywinds.org [192.0.2.134]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) for IP:'192.0.2.130' DOMAIN:'rr-iii' HELO:'[192.0.2.130]' FROM:'bferrell@baywinds.org' RCPT:'' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.12 (baywinds.org [192.0.2.134]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:11:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6VRP5lkjz3HhK X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=baywinds.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bferrell@baywinds.org designates 50.196.187.248 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bferrell@baywinds.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.74 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[50.196.187.248:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[50.196.187.248:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.943]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[baywinds.org,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:50.128.0.0/9, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:11:47 -0000 On 3/26/21 10:39 AM, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 3/26/21 10:05 AM, Bruce Ferrell wrote: >> On 3/26/21 8:29 AM, Gary Aitken wrote: >>> mysql57-server installed;  When testing a jdbc connection I get: >>> >>> The server time zone value 'MDT' is unrecognized or represents more than one time zone. You must configure either the server or JDBC driver (via the 'serverTimezone' >>> configuration property) to use a more specific time zone value if you want to utilize time zone support. >>> >>> A diff says that /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Denver is the same as /etc/localtime. >>> >>> And the mysql time by default is set to 'SYSTEM': >>> >>> garya@localhost [(none)]> select @@GLOBAL.time_zone, @@SESSION.time_zone; >>> +--------------------+---------------------+ >>> | @@GLOBAL.time_zone | @@SESSION.time_zone | >>> +--------------------+---------------------+ >>> | SYSTEM             | SYSTEM              | >>> +--------------------+---------------------+ >>> 1 row in set (0.00 sec) >>> >>> on 11.4-RELEASE >>> >>> Feels like the system is reporting the timezone as MDT and mysql wants something >>> like MDT/Denver?  I thought MDT was unique; Arizona is different. >>> Seems like this should default properly; ideas for what I have screwed up? >>> Also running ntpd if that matters. > >> Your error is from JDBC/java. > > I figured that out :-) > > > >>         Named time zones can be used only if the time zone information tables in the |mysql| database have been created and populated. Otherwise, use of a named time zone >> results in an error: >> >> There is a cli command that is usually part of the mysql distribution, *mysql_tzinfo_to_sql* that converts the >> system zone information files to sql for loading into the time zone tables >> >> ex: >> >> |mysql_tzinfo_to_sql /usr/share/zoneinfo | mysql -u root -p mysql | >> >> the mysql server timezeone setting is usually set in the /etc/my.cnf file, expressed as that offset: >> >> |default-time-zone='/timezone/'| > > Thanks. > I read that but thought (and still think) it should happen by default. > Why doesn't the default installation process load the time zone tables? > The default installation results in mysql setting the time to "SYSTEM", > with or without the time zone tables loaded. > Since the system appears to be returning the time "MDT", which mysql > doesn't understand, it seems to me there is something wrong with the > mysql_tzinfo_to_sql translation or the zoneinfo or both. > After loading the time zone tables, if .my.cnf default-time-zone is explicitly > set to "MDT" (what the default 'SYSTEM' value for mysql results in), I still > get an error. > I have to not only load the zone tables into the server, > I have to also explicitly set default-time-zone='America/Denver' > > For some reason, 'MDT' and 'America/Denver' are not considered equivalent. > > Gary There is what "should be" and the way it works. Opinions always vary on what should be default. I suspect the reason for not making a symbolic setting is the data/time information is stored numerically and all matching is done numerically.  Conversion from a symbol to a number (and any related manipulations) would slow the sql.  Do enough of them and it really messes with performance. The thing that ALWAYS works for setting the time zone is to manually set it as the offset and never use symbolics in the options file: default-time-zone='+0700' Mine looks like this and I didn't set it in the my.cnf file : mysql> select @@GLOBAL.time_zone, @@SESSION.time_zone; +--------------------+---------------------+ | @@GLOBAL.time_zone | @@SESSION.time_zone | +--------------------+---------------------+ | SYSTEM             | SYSTEM              | +--------------------+---------------------+ 1 row in set (0.00 sec) mysql> select now(); +---------------------+ | now()               | +---------------------+ | 2021-03-26 10:56:51 | +---------------------+ 1 row in set (0.00 sec) java doesn't like it that way, but mysql is fine with it... I have my opinions about what java thinks, but like I said, opinions vary :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 20:26:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD985AB30B for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:26:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6YQq53Sxz3RBt for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:26:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-173-48-64-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.64.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F6YQp3W7Wz1sCl for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:26:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1616790386; bh=frX7xdI4OJVK/83bhi2pB5gIX0yWR7v1aPilybQr4gE=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=O6x/yQ1UnRCgSKg3mAAYYErfbNRhEBCrqtpvRiyzGGYMqQ4vWbscYWqWWot1gXTlG KESiHN5Zv8hRA4a8v/SoNwBmifFsKCKAuTpPq9v3nrARLwAp5TKl/MjM3iz/SWm2lr K1Mp2SBRvKqos2+rzHJsXqo/n8UnTVOzYlJRIOkw= Subject: Re: mysql time-zone ambiguity? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 20:34:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4165C5AAFFC for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [IPv6:2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6Yc21kbBz3hMy for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:34:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450B28C75 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:34:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hm3SL_XShqng for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 9C95B8BE7; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:34:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1616790862; bh=cZSvmawXagICCAnewvuDxLlDO/a+2Ma5IfLgVIqnHFs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=vLWSQw9XwzdZwc16JuTP8y72Ayt9FPVUVVP8EkGAg/88I2pyrFN3ZaDtFsuXcYn7T SHLkiO16K+nl9UYgVYZL+np+kQdRIR/4wnNSVS5YvuCMDC/YONfZXGHN1gCc1VE2/f GjobfcbVRqIJYkyJ9AYgfg3VLGIxd+I+e8DGR6Ek= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (unknown [IPv6:2a01:cb10:8e64:fe00:4aa4:72ff:fe9e:65a1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6AA218F03; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:34:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1616790860; bh=cZSvmawXagICCAnewvuDxLlDO/a+2Ma5IfLgVIqnHFs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=hU5syDKPZDNlVKaXRFdIj2zJ8ogLXA76QnU63Gajis5zml+Oga6mZK2y0wHtw1+1b AVSukM6sfmd5oMd6VxoyWZ2lY3YgmsiMGBFsb6G/e0GCSXMQdA5XCEg+ad33kCo+NA SUZZy41vMT6bYxAV/W/O4kkYqZCLq4f5SQDI4CYI= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70854681E0; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:34:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:34:18 +0100 From: Jacques Foucry To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Move jails hard way to iocage Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Ernie Luzar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <605DEE70.4080901@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <605DEE70.4080901@gmail.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6Yc21kbBz3hMy X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=vLWSQw9X; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=hU5syDKP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f9::/32, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:34:27 -0000 Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 10:23:44 (-0400), Ernie Luzar à écrit: > Jacques Foucry wrote: > > Hello Friends, > > > > I run many jails, configured in the "hard way" (ie `/etc/jail.conf` file) and > > I would like to move them into iocage. > > > > I can't find any help on the Internet (may be I did search corretly). > > > > Did some own have a pointer or a how-to? > > > > Thanks in advance for your time and advises, > > > > You do realize that iocage is based on zfs. That means your whole host > has to use zfs. People who do not want to get involved with zfs use > qjail instead. Thing about converting native jails to use some jail > utility is the best way is to rebuild every jail using new utility so > everything is in sync and old native world is still available if need be. I do use ZFS (since a long time now). > Good luck Thanks. -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 20:45:55 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2B95AC094 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:45:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [IPv6:2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6YsG2K54z3jSw for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA698D29 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:45:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L0nBgJmIOqoK for ; 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TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:45:55 -0000 Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 09:00:24 (-0400), Dan Langille à écrit: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, at 5:34 AM, Dan Langille wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021, at 5:28 AM, Jacques Foucry wrote: > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > I run many jails, configured in the "hard way" (ie `/etc/jail.conf` file) and > > > I would like to move them into iocage. > > > > > > I can't find any help on the Internet (may be I did search corretly). > > > > > > Did some own have a pointer or a how-to? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your time and advises, > > > > https://dan.langille.org/2021/02/28/converting-an-iocage-jail-to-a-vanilla-jail/ > > > Sorry, I misread, and though you were moving to jails. No problem :-) > > This is from ezjail to iocage. Might help. > > https://dan.langille.org/2019/04/08/converting-thin-jails-to-thick-jails/ Sure it's help. > Yes, I have been moving from iocage to vanilla jails. I find it better suits my use > cases, specifically my FreshPorts jails which contain zfs file systems which it > must occasionally issue a 'zfs rollback'. I also like that my jails start or stop > faster. The additional work I need to do relates to jail creation (creating the > file systems etc). For that, I'm using https://github.com/mkjail/mkjail - in fact, > this morning I am using that to update several jails. > > e.g. [dvl@r720-02:~/src/mkjail/src] $ sudo bin/mkjail upgrade -v 12.2-RELEASE -j nginx01 Interesting, may be I will reconsider switching… > > After reading FreeBSD Mastery: Jails I saw how straight forward a jail.conf entry can > be. https://mwl.io/nonfiction/os#fmjail I read it, but there's no words about VNET and vanilla jails. Seems a little bit more difficult and all the jails must be switch at the same time (as I saw from my small experience). But I read to that you are not very happy with VNET jails :-) Btw, it's very hard to make my own opion with all the different experiences I read. :-) That said, and off topic, thanks for your blog, your shared experiences, FreshPorts and all you do for the community. -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 20:58:59 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCFB5AC17F for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bferrell@baywinds.org) Received: from baywinds.org (50-196-187-248-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.187.248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "baywinds.org", Issuer "rr-v" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6Z8L2dKCz3jxb for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:58:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bferrell@baywinds.org) Received: from [192.0.2.130] (rr-iii [192.0.2.130]) by baywinds.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 12QKwt7b010568 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:58:55 -0700 Subject: Re: mysql time-zone ambiguity? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <80c1be90-8780-6cb9-36aa-1dc4e22ccfaf@dreamchaser.org> <6cc15ffb-8941-27bd-e9ef-b4960c4ed303@baywinds.org> <77f7f2fa-6cca-f24a-4a69-f88a0aab161d@panix.com> From: Bruce Ferrell Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:58:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <77f7f2fa-6cca-f24a-4a69-f88a0aab161d@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.12 (baywinds.org [192.0.2.134]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:58:55 -0700 (PDT) for IP:'192.0.2.130' DOMAIN:'rr-iii' HELO:'[192.0.2.130]' FROM:'bferrell@baywinds.org' RCPT:'' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.12 (baywinds.org [192.0.2.134]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:58:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6Z8L2dKCz3jxb X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bferrell@baywinds.org designates 50.196.187.248 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bferrell@baywinds.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.23 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[50.196.187.248:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[50.196.187.248:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.928]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[baywinds.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:50.128.0.0/9, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 20:58:59 -0000 On 3/26/21 1:26 PM, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > On 2021/03/26 14:11, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > >> The thing that ALWAYS works for setting the time zone is to manually set it as the offset and never use symbolics in the options file: >> >> default-time-zone='+0700' > > That doesn't look like it handles daylight saving time. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Did I say it dealt with DST? This is why, when I set up an enterprise instance, I try to set for UTC and make the developers adjust for the users locale in the application... Sometimes I get away with it. :-) There is a discussion of DST rules and named timezone support in the mysql documentation.  I'll put the link for v5.7 below as it's kind of long to paste below.  It's more or less the same with minor changes for various versions: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/time-zone-support.html It also mentions that once one starts doing this one needs to be aware of the fact that DST rules DO change periodically and the tables for that support need to be updated accordingly.... One more thing to keep up to date! 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Or dropped > features, or added features that interfer with something else that > will take you 6 weeks to clear. > > Thankfully I have a big enough pool of machines, that I can usually > find the older package in one of the package caches of another machine. > > But still, would be nice to load the older package back directly. > > > Packages are built from sources. You might look at getting the packages sources and then building them locally. IIRC make package will build a package from your sources. I mention this because reconstructing the package sources should be doable (old sources are often archived). There are package building tools that automate many of these steps. Walter -- The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 21:36:09 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B325AD79E for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from h2.pinyon.org (h2.pinyon.org [65.101.20.170]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6ZzD6LSqz3mT4; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:36:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from [10.0.10.105] (unknown [10.0.10.105]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0BB5C4575E; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:30:09 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pinyon.org; s=dkim; t=1616794209; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ZL17FKVcVcswE2iq9v73EkP4O7JZK8/ftq31BjWDPyc=; b=eYHH4V2FOyn8YVRBSlK6tdnihlUaz6ArBIWqTHtKx6xVuDR6biRQcWNo0iEdiGkA5AMhyZ sUV0U7kPFPbhDjW+8zTmXiCB8swyK+AkEBZtaUqzcuZ1z9EhkxcQOui6NiPkElMhanY5RF q+p//XxhP7J4DAaskCGNW37Dg+mED8o= Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:30:09 -0700 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20210326135836.1298d9f3@FreeBSD.org> References: <20210326135836.1298d9f3@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ipps cups printer broken recently To: =?UTF-8?Q?T=C4=B3l_Coosemans?= CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-ID: <63E84110-8F87-477A-B881-315165652AB3@pinyon.org> X-Spam-Level: *** X-Rspamd-Server: h2 X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.66 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6ZzD6LSqz3mT4 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=pinyon.org header.s=dkim header.b=eYHH4V2F; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rcarter@pinyon.org designates 65.101.20.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rcarter@pinyon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.34 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+mx]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pinyon.org:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.101.20.170:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.101.0.0/18, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RSPAMD_URIBL(4.50)[localhost:url]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[pinyon.org:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.84)[0.837]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.101.20.170:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:36:10 -0000 On March 26, 2021 5:58:36 AM MST, "T=C4=B3l Coosemans" wrote: >On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:54:26 -0700 "Russell L=2E Carter" > wrote: >> Greetings, >> I don't print much but tax season is coming up and >> now I need too=2E Last July I had gotten a Brother_HL_L2340D >> working via ipps protocol=2E Sometime in the last months >> that protocol stopped working=2E I see that cups has been >> updated to 2=2E3=2E3op2=2E Now it can't see my printer, but a >> linux box on the same network sees it just fine: >>=20 >> This is a stable/13 box with up to date ports tree=2E >>=20 >> $ linux> lpstat -l -e >> Brother_HL-L2340D_series permanent=20 >> ipp://localhost/printers/Brother_HL-L2340D_series=20 >> ipp://Brother%20HL-L2340D%20series=2E_ipp=2E_tcp=2Elocal/ >> Brother_HL_L2340D_series_knuth network none=20 >> >ipps://Brother%20HL-L2340D%20series%20%40%20knuth=2E_ipps=2E_tcp=2Elocal/= cups >>=20 >> $ freebsd> lpstat -l -e >>=20 >> That is, no output produced=2E >>=20 >> When I try to add the printer on FreeBSD using the cups >> interface (http://localhost:631/) it can find: >>=20 >> Brother HL-L2340D series (Brother HL-L2340D series) >>=20 >> However the connection is lpd://BRWD80F9967A5AB/BINARY_P1, and >> after configuring as a RAW printer as before, it cannot contact >> the printer when printing the test page=2E >>=20 >> I earlier used to kludge this by sharing the printer from linux >> cups but now the freebsd box doesn't see that either=2E Linux cups >> prints a test page just fine over ipps=2E Linux cups is version >> 2=2E3=2E3op2, same as freebsd cups=2E >>=20 >> Anyone have an idea how I might fix this? Did the cups adjacent >> set of packages change so I now missing something essential? > >Do you have cups-filters installed? -- cups-filters-1=2E28=2E6_5 I have not modified the installed cups packages or port options since it w= as known working a few months ago=2E (God I hate typing on fones=2E Thunderbird nuked itself for unknown reaso= ns this morning and a hopeful poudriere update dragged in a new openssl, so= a good 650 ports are now building, oof) Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 21:57:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEDD5AE7C7 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6bRr6Z1Rz3p0X for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:57:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lPu2c-000Mzg-6L for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:30:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:30:50 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update doesn't increment update from 12.2-p4 to 12.2-p5 Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6bRr6Z1Rz3p0X X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.99 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[204.209.81.1:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+a:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[204.209.81.1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RBL_VIRUSFREE_BOTNET(2.00)[204.209.81.1:from]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.987]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 21:57:29 -0000 On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:43:41PM +0000, tech-lists wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 03:36:20PM +0000, tech-lists wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Recently there was an update to cover the cve[s] for openssl. On many > >systems I'm running 21.2-p4. When I run freebsd-update fetch it says > >"The following files will be updated as part of updating to > >12.2-RELEASE-p5:" > >[long list of files] > > > >so I run freebsd-update install, it all installs, then reboot. > >But uname -a still says 12.2-p4 > > agh ignore me. freebsd-update -u returns p5. there's no kernel update in > -p5 so thats why uname -a doesn't include it > > sorry for the noise > > -- > J. I get uname -a FreeBSD doctor.nl2k.ab.ca 12.2-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE-p5 GENERIC amd64 -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! 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I don't know if that's by design or not. and as a user in the boonies with mostly bad internet, may I request that i= n package scripts, larger items like llvm10 be fetched very early on instead= of nearly last, please! If llvm fails to fetch, all that was fetched previously is wasted when you m= ake the attempt again. With metered internet accounts thats money and bandwi= dth down the drain. Yes, its ridiculous how something so small as 100 MB or e= ven 30MB can be such an issue, but in a marginal internet area like where I= am, it is! So, by placing the "big ones" at the beginning (say, xorg), it m= atters little to folks with bandwidth, but to us in the boonies, woukd be a b= ig help. 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I don't know if that's by design or not. This sounds like a second in a month problem with /usr/home not linked to /home on 13.0-RC and an upcoming surprise on 13.0-RELEASE :-) I have filled a bug for this: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D254595 > and as a user in the boonies with mostly bad internet, may I request th= at in package scripts, larger items like llvm10 be fetched very early on in= stead of nearly last, please! > If llvm fails to fetch, all that was fetched previously is wasted when yo= u make the attempt again. With metered internet accounts thats money and ba= ndwidth down the drain. Yes, its ridiculous how something so small as 100 M= B or even 30MB can be such an issue, but in a marginal internet area like = where I am, it is! So, by placing the "big ones" at the beginning (say, xor= g), it matters little to folks with bandwidth, but to us in the boonies, wo= ukd be a big help. I would suggest to fill a bug / feature request (see example above) as well here. FreeBSD Bugzilla is the best place to talk with developers / maintainters when it comes to a particular problem :-) 73 SQ7MHZ :-) --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 03:05:59 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D185B75C0 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 03:05:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6kHp0943z4ccp for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 03:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 12R35rHU049935 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:05:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:05:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: xorg mouse et all solved -- was Xorg/Lenovo/drm revisited Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 23:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6kHp0943z4ccp X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.74.231.101:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 03:05:59 -0000 First thanks Steve for leading into and through xinput and the like. The final answer sadly was buy a mouse, at least for now. I got loaned a very swishy gaming mouse that had a third button. Who know it was the scroll wheel (not me obviously). So when that worked I tried the two mice I had. One worked and one did not, hence one new mouse. I know from `xev -event button` that button 3 produces the same four events that a double-click does. One works and the other does not. The setting for the mouse are: xinput --list-props 7 Device 'System mouse': Device Enabled (116): 1 Coordinate Transformation Matrix (117): 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000 libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled (253): 0 libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled Default (254): 0 libinput Scroll Methods Available (255): 0, 0, 1 libinput Scroll Method Enabled (256): 0, 0, 0 libinput Scroll Method Enabled Default (257): 0, 0, 0 libinput Button Scrolling Button (258): 2 libinput Button Scrolling Button Default (259): 2 libinput Button Scrolling Button Lock Enabled (260): 0 libinput Button Scrolling Button Lock Enabled Default (261): 0 libinput Middle Emulation Enabled (262): 1 libinput Middle Emulation Enabled Default (263): 0 libinput Accel Speed (264): 0.000000 libinput Accel Speed Default (265): 0.000000 libinput Accel Profiles Available (266): 1, 1 libinput Accel Profile Enabled (267): 1, 0 libinput Accel Profile Enabled Default (268): 1, 0 libinput Left Handed Enabled (269): 0 libinput Left Handed Enabled Default (270): 0 libinput Send Events Modes Available (238): 1, 0 libinput Send Events Mode Enabled (239): 0, 0 libinput Send Events Mode Enabled Default (240): 0, 0 Device Node (241): "/dev/input/event1" Device Product ID (242): 0, 0 libinput Drag Lock Buttons (271): libinput Horizontal Scroll Enabled (272): 1 "libinput Middle Emulation Enabled" is the only one that seems relevant. The middle click works independently of that setting. So something else is still needed Finally in all the wandering around the google-verse I came across this: Section "InputClass" Identifier "middle button emulation class" MatchIsPointer "on" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on" EndSection So why not ... Makes no difference either but Xorg seems to like it. From Xorg.0.log: [34.984] (II) config/udev: Adding input device System mouse (/dev/input/event1) [34.984] (**) System mouse: Applying InputClass "libinput pointer catchall" [34.984] (**) System mouse: Applying InputClass "middle button emulation class" [34.984] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'System mouse' [34.984] (**) System mouse: always reports core events [34.984] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1" [34.985] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev" [34.985] (II) event1 - System mouse: is tagged by udev as: Mouse [34.985] (II) event1 - System mouse: device is a pointer [34.985] (II) event1 - System mouse: device removed [34.985] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/dev/input/event1" [34.985] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "System mouse" (type: MOUSE, id 7) [34.985] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none" [34.985] (**) System mouse: (accel) selected scheme none/0 [34.985] (**) System mouse: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000 [34.985] (**) System mouse: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4 [34.986] (II) event1 - System mouse: is tagged by udev as: Mouse [34.986] (II) event1 - System mouse: device is a pointer A working middle "button" was the only thing that workded so far. All the above was done on 12.2. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 04:32:39 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDCF5B8958 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 04:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6mCp0VcPz4hws for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 04:32:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 12R4WPLk070630; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: mysql time-zone ambiguity? To: Bruce Ferrell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <80c1be90-8780-6cb9-36aa-1dc4e22ccfaf@dreamchaser.org> <6cc15ffb-8941-27bd-e9ef-b4960c4ed303@baywinds.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <66bad0ec-a886-3740-98b3-e30b41b16ccc@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:32:25 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6cc15ffb-8941-27bd-e9ef-b4960c4ed303@baywinds.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:32:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6mCp0VcPz4hws X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.29 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.994]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 04:32:39 -0000 On 3/26/21 12:11 PM, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > On 3/26/21 10:39 AM, Gary Aitken wrote: >> I read that but thought (and still think) it should happen by default. >> Why doesn't the default installation process load the time zone tables? >> The default installation results in mysql setting the time to "SYSTEM", >> with or without the time zone tables loaded. >> Since the system appears to be returning the time "MDT", which mysql >> doesn't understand, it seems to me there is something wrong with the >> mysql_tzinfo_to_sql translation or the zoneinfo or both. >> After loading the time zone tables, if .my.cnf default-time-zone is explicitly >> set to "MDT" (what the default 'SYSTEM' value for mysql results in), I still >> get an error. >> I have to not only load the zone tables into the server, >> I have to also explicitly set default-time-zone='America/Denver' >> >> For some reason, 'MDT' and 'America/Denver' are not considered equivalent. > There is what "should be" and the way it works. Opinions always vary on what should be default. > > I suspect the reason for not making a symbolic setting is the data/time information is stored numerically and all matching is done numerically.  Conversion from a symbol to a number (and any related manipulations) would slow the sql.  Do enough of them and it really messes with performance. hmmm At first I thought this was just about server startup, but I can see it may be about jdbc connection establishment. If that's so, then possibly bad, depending on how often the connection is made/broken, although it is only a hash lookup in a small table. But there shouldn't be any translation on record access or sql computations other that adding the GMT offset, which would be done whether the offset is specified on the connection via symbol or number. Output formatting is a different matter. localhost [(none)]> select @@GLOBAL.time_zone, @@SESSION.time_zone; +--------------------+---------------------+ | @@GLOBAL.time_zone | @@SESSION.time_zone | +--------------------+---------------------+ | America/Denver | America/Denver | +--------------------+---------------------+ 1 row in set (0.00 sec) localhost [(none)]> select now(); +---------------------+ | now() | +---------------------+ | 2021-03-26 22:25:17 | +---------------------+ 1 row in set (0.02 sec) Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 05:44:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B635B9E5C for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 05:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6npH0LyLz4ltZ for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 05:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:43:55 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Christensen Subject: PCIe sound card for FreeBSD 12.2 RELEASE amd64 Message-ID: <05d65c82-848e-5701-94e5-c5f44eb110bd@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 22:43:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6npH0LyLz4ltZ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 05:44:08 -0000 freebsd-questions; I am looking for a PCIe sound card supported by FreeBSD 12.2 RELEASE amd64: 1. 7.1 surround sound output via four analog 1/8" TRS jacks. 2. Includes interchangeable standard and low-profile mounting brackets. 3. Currently manufactured and supported. Recommendations? David p.s. The "FreeBSD 12.2-RELEASE Hardware Notes" "Sound Devices" section has a list of device driver names and chip numbers, but I am unable to correlate that information to retail products (e.g. SKU): https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.2R/hardware/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 26 14:16:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E5057879B; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=Dvmc=IY=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [94.124.105.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6PCz5LXlz4kVb; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=Dvmc=IY=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3A828423; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:16:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from illbsd.quip.test (ip-94-113-69-69.net.upcbroadband.cz [94.113.69.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B81402840C; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:16:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Move jails hard way to iocage To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org References: From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Message-ID: <0f5e72db-2a1a-55d3-29c7-8750273de4ca@quip.cz> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:16:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6PCz5LXlz4kVb X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=Dvmc=IY=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz has no SPF policy when checking 94.124.105.4) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=Dvmc=IY=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[94.124.105.4:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[quip.cz]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[94.124.105.4:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=Dvmc=IY=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.113.69.69:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:42000, ipnet:94.124.104.0/21, country:CZ]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[000.fbsd@quip.cz,SRS0=Dvmc=IY=quip.cz=000.fbsd@elsa.codelab.cz]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-jail,freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:16:18 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:16:33 -0000 On 26/03/2021 10:28, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Hello Friends, > > I run many jails, configured in the "hard way" (ie `/etc/jail.conf` file) and > I would like to move them into iocage. > > I can't find any help on the Internet (may be I did search corretly). > > Did some own have a pointer or a how-to? I am not using iocage but it should not be hard. I guess you can create jails with names and setting you want (not start them) and then move (rename) ZFS filesystems if they are used in your current setup. Or just move files with rsync from old jail to new jail. What will be better for your setup. Miroslav Lachman From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 08:28:39 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3CD5BD10C; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [IPv6:2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6sS65p4Mz4tFw; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081D793A4; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:28:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fI5pY8yUK_p8; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 56096904D; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:28:35 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1616833715; bh=idcbRhMjODr8ZH7X0WfHNCWlAqqqDbiI3m1LyGQ8bMY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=MhgfUVNQinG4I03CZOwT6IeZZW5ItMJ2ACUgGsNfhO8d/Y74+UbVVrVij55IdpzPV n4IlolUiJQ1+IywSV/h3JGW7oBt5CSt6bloSfx9a4bIE7fuxmGSPFaMsgmtI5w00WI bsWhv5C75aTUXJfnWPN30NNo+ndqNSzQZfLGC4+M= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (unknown [IPv6:2a01:cb10:8e64:fe00:ea6a:64ff:fe07:95a1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A0A7962D; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:28:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1616833713; bh=idcbRhMjODr8ZH7X0WfHNCWlAqqqDbiI3m1LyGQ8bMY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=clk045IXyGmub80kkOVUjiJXR5v9a+LJZHli5C96pyGedV0HggPsfCHYGlEoGNh4t ut5G3PXncpZFC/a4kln9eyRr85lYizhHQ6QLesJss/pOrtwg4fMx56ka3XzThQF7/f O2dGCrAUcKoNY7XQjeFsexazZfSAm9rTmJw/k2bk= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C31856898E; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:28:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:28:31 +0100 From: Jacques Foucry To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Move jails hard way to iocage Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org References: <0f5e72db-2a1a-55d3-29c7-8750273de4ca@quip.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <0f5e72db-2a1a-55d3-29c7-8750273de4ca@quip.cz> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6sS65p4Mz4tFw X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=MhgfUVNQ; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=clk045IX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f9::/32, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-jail,freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:28:40 -0000 Le vendredi 26 mars 2021 à 15:16:27 (+0100), Miroslav Lachman à écrit: > On 26/03/2021 10:28, Jacques Foucry wrote: > > Hello Friends, > > > > I run many jails, configured in the "hard way" (ie `/etc/jail.conf` file) and > > I would like to move them into iocage. > > > > I can't find any help on the Internet (may be I did search corretly). > > > > Did some own have a pointer or a how-to? > > I am not using iocage but it should not be hard. I guess you can create > jails with names and setting you want (not start them) and then move > (rename) ZFS filesystems if they are used in your current setup. Or just > move files with rsync from old jail to new jail. What will be better for > your setup. That's the way Dan Langille use in https://dan.langille.org/2019/04/08/converting-thin-jails-to-thick-jails/, and I will use this experience for moving my jail.conf Thanks for your answer and your time -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 27 08:36:06 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E301D5BD527 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6scj2zCsz4thV for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F6scg3Qq5zDq8g; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 01:36:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1616834163; bh=myTNk+BeZo8iL3VrRI77TO6NerUqAuv9dQ96RlW0Cm0=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Cc:Date:References:To:From; b=TRzgRTZMYWJkYg/ljhL4bWAE0XXInRxEXkquiBFTWs7YR62az9lcOxgoGO+zjkZ8a Z8JTb9UbuYN0EdClXCYNbp0AUFVa4FzqSB0EK/BCB8JnTWeC8rvZB//5c11DOQXvXt fPI9WKSLqIg/ieCaaKX9uN6ohByQwtK2pVAeTrhE= X-Riseup-User-ID: 1262F3008C62B1733063F6AB160144E9434FD046BD80A9ECD0797DDBDD597BB8 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (dynamic-093-135-034-084.93.135.pool.telefonica.de [93.135.34.84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F6scg0n7Tz1yBY; Sat, 27 Mar 2021 01:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: arm64 FreeBSD13-RC3 /home vs, /usr/home From: Ralf Mardorf In-Reply-To: Cc: wa5qjh , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 09:36:00 +0100 Message-Id: References: To: Tomasz CEDRO X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F6scj2zCsz4thV X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=TRzgRTZM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[93.135.34.84:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:36:06 -0000 > On 27. Mar 2021, at 03:43, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 3:29 AM wa5qjh wrot= e: > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D254595 >> and as a user in the boonies with mostly bad internet, may I request tha= t in package scripts, larger items like llvm10 be fetched very early on inst= ead of nearly last, please! >> If llvm fails to fetch, all that was fetched previously is wasted when yo= u make the attempt again. With metered internet accounts thats money and ban= dwidth down the drain. Yes, its ridiculous how something so small as 100 MB o= r even 30MB can be such an issue, but in a marginal internet area like wher= e I am, it is! So, by placing the "big ones" at the beginning (say, xorg), i= t matters little to folks with bandwidth, but to us in the boonies, woukd be= a big help. >=20 > I would suggest to fill a bug / feature request (see example above) as > well here. It=E2=80=99s probably a good idea to mention steps to reproduce the issue. W= hy is something already downloaded wasted, when doing what attempt again? =E2=80=94=20 > http://www.tomek.cedro.info A =E2=80=9ECore Linux utility adduser=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t exist. What d= oes exist for Linux are helpers named like that, at least one GPL licensed h= elper https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/adduser-deb/ and a BSD licensed hel= per https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/adduser/ . However, Arch Linux probab= ly isn=E2=80=99t the only distro that doesn=E2=80=99t provide an =E2=80=9Cad= duser=E2=80=9D utility at all, by official repositories, https://archlinux.o= rg/packages/?q=3Dadduser , https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/users_and_gr= oups#Example_adding_a_user . While Ubuntu does provide this helper, it=E2=80= =98s still even not a =E2=80=9ECore=E2=80=9C utility. It=E2=80=98s just some= software, such as an Internet browser. You can get different web browsers f= or all operating systems, if one of those browsers should suck, than this we= b browser still doesn=E2=80=98t become a =E2=80=9ECore=E2=80=9C utility that= makes this operating system =E2=80=9Esuck=E2=80=9C. You can=E2=80=98t blame= an operating system for an issue, that does exist between screen and keyboa= rd. 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If llvm fails to fetch, > all that was fetched previously is wasted when you make the attempt > again. Why is it wasted? If you rerun "pkg upgrade" the downloaded files will be locally cached. Even if that weren't true, downloading the larger files first doesn't give you any benefit, since you have to download them all before pkg proceeds with installing.