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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:32:29 -0800 (PST)
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From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@FreeBSD.ORG>
To: alexandr@mail.eecis.udel.edu
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Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required.
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> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:07:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: alexandr@mail.eecis.udel.edu
> 
> However, here's my real bone of contention.  The FreeBSD project has

  at last!

> always been precise and deliberate with what is placed in the source
> tree, with the emphasis being stability.  Look, we're still using what
> everyone and their grandmother calls "a way old compiler" (and yes,
> we've almost always been a major version behind).  It took forever to
> get perl5 into the tree.  We still haven't upgraded to the latest
> version of CVS.  Yada, yada, yada...
> 
> And now...  Now we want to put a *beta* mailer for which new security
> holes and bugs are being found every day in the source tree instead of
> the ports tree.

  1. Wietse Venema's beta is better then many finished products.
     We have been using it to deliver the FreeBSD mailing lists for
     months. 

  2. "new security holes and bugs are being found every day"  is
     false.   the only "security holes and bugs" found recently are
     along the lines of "world writeable directories are bad".

  3. IBM's marketing machine is picking up on a program what Wietse
     started quite a while ago.  His current employer wants to
     capitalize on it.   so be it.  
  
  4. if you believe that there is a problem with postfix, please tell
     me what it is.  the problem must be one with postfix, not how its
     labelled or who is hyping it.

jmb

> I swear, it's almost like we've become victims of IBM's marketing
> machine.


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