From owner-freebsd-current Tue May 30 13:11:16 1995 Return-Path: current-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA03393 for current-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:11:16 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA03368 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 13:11:11 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA11812; Tue, 30 May 95 14:03:58 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9505302003.AA11812@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: freebsd-* mailing lists (Was Re: SUP server down?) To: pritc003@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Mike Pritchard) Date: Tue, 30 May 95 14:03:58 MDT Cc: rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com, wsantee@wsantee.oz.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199505300903.EAA18637@mpp.com> from "Mike Pritchard" at May 30, 95 04:03:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: current-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I've been noticing very long delays lately between the time a message > is posted to any of the freebsd-* lists and the time it makes it back > to my mail machine. Nobody thinks the fact that AlterNET has been toast for the past 3 days has anything to do with this? Seriously, there was major work on the SprintNET and AlterNET portions of the Internet backbone this weekend. Probably explains your delay. Apparently neither service understands cell isolation debugging, where you split your net in two, and then repeat the process to isolate the problem. This is a general problem in the base design of the InterNET, the use of ATM as an IP transport without IP support of source quench, the addressing of resources by host rather than by service, and the general lack of switchable redundant paths and smart software to cause the switching to take place in the face of congestion. I'm currently going to San Diego to LA to San Jose to Vienna Virginia to Denver to SLC to Ogden to type this -- apparently, the NAP in California is stone-dead, at least as far as SprintNET is concerned. There are also some US West leased line problems into and out of LA (or at least there were as of 8 PM last night). I doubt Usenet, which uses the same transport, would fare any better. Makes you want to start your own Internet. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.