From owner-freebsd-current Thu Dec 12 2: 9:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF3037B401; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tcoip.com.br (erato.tco.net.br [200.220.254.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E238E43EC5; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:09:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@tcoip.com.br) Received: from tcoip.com.br ([10.0.2.6]) by mail.tcoip.com.br (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBCA9OV24636; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:09:24 -0200 Message-ID: <3DF86054.7000400@tcoip.com.br> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:09:24 -0200 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021125 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Makonnen Cc: Gordon Tetlow , current@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org, Doug Barton Subject: Re: RC NG, ntp and routed References: <20021210024350.GC16008@matrix.identd.net> <20021210162208.GJ45512@roark.gnf.org> <3DF61DE4.9070205@tcoip.com.br> <20021210225014.GA22267@matrix.identd.net> <20021211002318.GT45512@roark.gnf.org> <20021211054754.GA23972@matrix.identd.net> <20021211063348.GU45512@roark.gnf.org> <20021211084603.GA24584@matrix.identd.net> <20021211171527.GW45512@roark.gnf.org> <3DF775AC.40507@tcoip.com.br> <20021212053826.GB30023@matrix.identd.net> In-Reply-To: <20021210024350.GC16008@matrix.identd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Makonnen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 03:28:12PM -0200, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > >[root@piratinga root]# ls -l /usr/local/sbin/ospfd > >-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 471392 Dec 1 00:58 /usr/local/sbin/ospfd* > >[root@piratinga root]# ls -l /usr/local/sbin/bgpd > >-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 691952 Dec 1 00:58 /usr/local/sbin/bgpd* > > > Who said anything about moving ports into /? I meant the routing > daemons in /usr/sbin. But as Gordon pointed out that's still > quite a bit of disk space. I mean that routed is _one_ routing daemon, one that supports the old, would someone please shot it in the head to give it peace, RIP. If you happen to run a modern routing protocol... hell, if you happen to run a middle-aged routing protocol, you'll be using something else. And, since you do not seem to be aware of it, Zebra, for one, is run as... router_enable="YES" router="/usr/local/sbin/zebractl" router_flags="start" ie, it is run by /etc/rc.d/routed. A very good thing, in fact, since one _needs_ it to be run early. So, please, let's not assume one is using routed(8), just like we do not assume one is using sendmail(8). > >And all this because... people don't want to break fs mounting in local > >and remote? > > > >I saw break it, and have routing run after local. If your /usr is > >remote, then either you'll copy routed (or whatever you use) to a local > >disk, or you won't be using it. > > > >People, let's face it. There *ARE* things you want to be run *after* > >local fs mount and *before* remote fs mount. And we are hurting > >ourselves in a few places just because we haven't admitted to it. > > > I don't understand what you are saying. Why would we have routing run > after > local filesystems are mounted but before the network is up? Not before network is up. Before one mounts remote filesystems. Network is _not_ up until routing is in place. For most configurations, that is done in network2 (see defaultrouter). For a few, it needs routed. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Gerencia de Operacoes Divisao de Comunicacao de Dados Coordenacao de Seguranca TCO Fones: 55-61-313-7654/Cel: 55-61-9618-0904 E-mail: Daniel.Capo@tco.net.br Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@tcoip.com.br Outros: dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY: #32: You call your answering service and they've never heard of you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message