From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 21:47:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FF3106566B for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:47:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A73058FC13 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 329 invoked by uid 0); 14 Nov 2010 21:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2010 21:47:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=CKMJqjROdfy/hkn5ggtiJuxggDz59hty8vNSfKNN9S+ci8hEX2nuOacJWb3eNUaOQu7EyeXp2C3/mNLPLXhZU3L616jFThVYJY/YAIM6d0J9+iX1IrRqNzoND3iwEvFX; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHkQX-0004rJ-Q6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:47:59 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:41:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:41:41 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101114214141.GD50560@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> <4cdfa533.KmbS7pHvQ3h+K92G%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101114204450.GA9247@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: History of C (Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:48:00 -0000 --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:44:50PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > I'd vote for "E" since that might have more positive > connotations that "D". :-) Skip "F" altogether. That might be a good point. Google has taught me that single-letter names for programming languages (or anything else, apparently) are not so good for the Internet age, however. >=20 > Just about the whole Murray Hill gang stopped by Cray=20 > (in Chippewa Falls), late 80's, and I remember asking Dennis > what the deal was with "C++"; I remember him dodging the > thing. Whoever-invented-C++ did a convoluted job, i s my > opinion. It might be nice to add classes to C, but that's > about it. Perhaps ironically, some called C++ "C With Classes" early on, as I recall. Meanwhile, Objective-C ended up being what C++ initially claimed it would be (a strict superset of C that provided facilities for OOP), while C++ failed to live up to its own promises while expanding into all kinds of things that were not actually desired in those early days (like a politician once elected to office). This is, of course, largely the perspective of an outsider, so take it for what it's worth. >=20 > TWo questions: didn't IBM create CPL? And doesn't BCPL > Stand for "British Computer Programming Language"? (I did have > both editions of the C book by Brian and DEnnis; then loaned the > 2nd edition and never got ti back.) I think Dennis gives credit > to BCPL Somewhere. Pretty sure those guys are all retired to > somewhere *warm and sunny* by now! The second edition is still in stores all over the place. It's the first edition that would be difficult to find these days, I think. My father tells me he has a copy, though I've never seen it; I only have the second edition. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzgV5UACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWBtwCg+e4NR+54b+CNYqIa9bniv8qD K9IAoIr0K3XzAzSTpgwm7gLwpjTCU6Pr =EKrD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t--