From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 21 20:57:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2979F16A41F; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:57:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from fileserver.fields.utoronto.ca (fileserver.fields.utoronto.ca [128.100.216.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC88143D45; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:57:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from fields.fields.utoronto.ca (fields.localdomain [192.168.216.11]) by fileserver.fields.utoronto.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Fields 6.0) with ESMTP id j8LKvb0r000737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:57:37 -0400 Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fields.fields.utoronto.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Fields WS 6.0) with ESMTP id j8LKva6P020506; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:57:36 -0400 Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 403B351287; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:57:36 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20050921205736.GA31449@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200509211645.36060.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200509211645.36060.jhb@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Daniel Eischen , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Threading/KSE problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:57:38 -0000 --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 04:45:34PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Tuesday 20 September 2005 02:55 pm, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > I don't think anyone thinks that. But I prefer the old way. If we're > > not properly keeping track of our ABI changes and what they affect, > > then let's work on that problem. Symbol versioning isn't going to > > solve that for us anyways. >=20 > Yes, symbol versioning requires the same level of discipline as the more= =20 > constrained library version number bumping. If we have decided that our= =20 > developers are too incompetent to properly bump library versions for ABI= =20 > changes then they are also too incompetent to handle symbol versioning. = =20 > Furthermore, even with the massive library bumps, we have still stuck our= =20 > collective heads in the sand and ignored all the port library version=20 > numbers. In theory they should all be bumped for 5 -> 6 as well. Which is impossible to do since it's a 1-dimensional space and the upstream vendors are likely to bump their version next week anyway. Kris --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDMck/Wry0BWjoQKURAr9YAJ41XTkxE2MhkVa8xkKAEORYJPnM8QCfTHCr uiyGIdZ+N/Lz/0fRjVaPiO8= =Gosv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft--