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Date:      Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:03:18 +0200
From:      Wilko Bulte <wb@freebie.xs4all.nl>
To:        Yuval Levy <yuval_levy@yahoo.com>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: filesystems not properly unmounted [OT]
Message-ID:  <20050606150318.GA1981@freebie.xs4all.nl>
In-Reply-To: <42A46519.5080003@yahoo.com>
References:  <200506061402.j56E22tG021214@lurza.secnetix.de> <42A46519.5080003@yahoo.com>

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Can the two of you please take this bikeshed to -chat or
wherever?

Thank you,
Wilko


On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:00:41AM -0400, Yuval Levy wrote..
> Oliver Fromme wrote:
> 
> >I do look carefully every day, because it's my job.  I work
> >with various operating systems every day, including FreeBSD
> >and Linux.
> > 
> >
> From a professional I would expect a more mature and balanced approach, 
> rather than "my favorite OS is the best one and the others have no 
> advantages". Be real: there is a lot of diversity of OS out there and 
> they all have advantages and disadvantages. For as much as I love 
> FreeBSD, it is not (and probably can't be) better than all OS on all 
> comparisons. Diversity is good, most existing OS have their rightful 
> place in the IT ecosystem.
> 
> >> Just to mention the first thing that comes to my mind: several linux
> >> distros have achieved a difficult goal: ease of installation-use
> >> combined with a stable system.
> >
> >Yup, I know the usual freebsd-for-servers and linux-for-
> >desktops arguments.  And to be honest, I'm fed up with
> >them.  They're lies.  I'm running FreeBSD on my desktop
> >at home, a lot of people are happily running Linux on
> >their servers, and I've seen people successfully installing
> >FreeBSD who have never even heard the word "unix" until
> >that day.
> > 
> >
> You can run FreeBSD on your desktop at home because you have the skills, 
> the time, the dedication. You are special. Every human being is special 
> and there are plenty of us out there that have other skills and want to 
> dedicate their time to something else (like 
> <http://www.photopla.net/pano.php?id=25>). They do not share your view. 
> I do not share your view. This does not make us liars.
> 
> I am moving my servers from Linux to FreeBSD, because FreeBSD gives me 
> the manageability, stability and security that are more important to my 
> clients than the bleeding edge features that often make it into Linux first.
> 
> I am generally inclined toward Open Source software over proprietary 
> one, but will pragmatically mix and match to obtain what works best for 
> me rather than dogmatically pretend that my favorite OS is the best and 
> its filesystem is the brightest and its license is the only acceptable 
> distribution form.
> 
> Which brings me back to the topic of this thread: is there anybody out 
> there with the skills to cleanly solve this shameful situation in which 
> rebooting FreeBSD results in unclean mounting of ext2 (and potentially 
> other) volumes?
> 
> Yuv
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Wilko Bulte				wilko@FreeBSD.org



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