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Date:      Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:03:32 -0500
From:      Dennis <dennis@etinc.com>
To:        "Louis A. Mamakos" <louie@TransSys.COM>
Cc:        isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: cdrom.com bandwidth limits 
Message-ID:  <199902251455.JAA14731@etinc.com>
In-Reply-To: <199902251434.JAA48676@whizzo.transsys.com>
References:  <Your message of "Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:55:38 MST."             <36D3A26A.922CE5A9@softweyr.com> <199902231921.OAA03755@y.dyson.net> <36D3A26A.922CE5A9@softweyr.com>

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At 09:34 AM 2/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> "John S. Dyson" wrote:
>> > 
>> > It is not likely to get that much due to protocol overheads, but I
>> > have seen >160KBytes/sec on a good T1.  Don't T1's do bit stealing
>> > for signalling (I forget?)
>> 
>> Unless you are on a "clear channel."  If you are, the throughput is
>> 24 x 64 Kbits/sec, if not, 24 x 64 Kbits/sec - 8 Kbits/sec.  The bit
>> stealing totals 8 Kbits/sec for the entire channel, regardless of how
>> "big" the channel is.
>
>Some CSU/DSU's can be pretty stupid when framing the synchronous data coming 
>in for
>transmission on the T1 span.  The problem they face is that there is a 
>specific one's density requirement when pushing bits over the wire; if you
>have too many zero bits in a row, then the T1 span will blow it's clocking.
>
>So, some really stupid CSU/DSU's will format the data where they "force"
every
>8th bit to a one.  This is how you end up with 1344 kb/s of bandwidth.
>
>The other more common way to do this is to observe that most modern uses of
>T1 spans for data transmission use HDLC bit-synchronous framing these days.
>If the DSU inverts the data coming in, then the HDCL framing will ensure
>adequate one's density on the T1 span.  In this instance, you get to use
>all 1536 kb/s of capacity (64kb/s*24 channels) of the T1 span.
>
>The 1544 kb/s number you see including the T1 frame overhead, and isn't 
>normally
>available if you expect to push your bits though a transmission system with
>other multiplexing equipment (M31 muxes, digital cross connect systems, etc.)
>
>louie
> 

They are not "stupid"..it depends on the encoding in place. With ESF you get
the extra bandwidth, which is what most lines use.

Dennis



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