From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 20 09:24:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB8D16A479 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF0943D69 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:24:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B3A290C6C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:24:04 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90710-08 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:24:07 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-7-151-244.eastlink.ca [71.7.151.244]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55F4290C6B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:24:03 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B4E6D49F66; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:24:09 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B083BEF2 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:24:09 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:24:09 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060620060845.U1114@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:24:12 -0000 ... and is there anything we can do as a community to prevent it? I've been a FreeBSD users since '94, and proud of it ... and have vehemently defended, all the way, my decision to use it vs 'the dark side' ... Although my above subject is a more "general call", my big beef right now is with RAID controller vendors, but I don't believe that the problem is specific to them, so hopefully others will ring in ... I've used several different controllers over the years ... Adaptec was my first love, but I've used Intel, 3Ware, and, more recently, HPs ... out of the lot, I'd have to say the least supported (HP) has turned out to be the more pleasurable one to use, since checking the status of the RAID array is the easiest: # camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass0) but, as an example, Intel used to be really nice, in that I could run the storcon utility (under FreeBSD 4.x) that Intel provided on their web site to actually see the whole BIOS and view drives, etc ... it was a dream ... but it looks like they stop'd support for FreeBSD at 5.x :( I just read a recent thread about monitoring RAID controllers on one of hte lists (this one?) where someone mentioned that Adaptec's Official stand is that they don't support storage management under FreeBSD ... but, in ports, we have the older aaccli interface, which I understand doesn't work with newer controllers ... So, my question above, and a public call to -core, or anyone else: What can we, as a community, due to improve this situation? Its not enough anymore to know a piece of hardware *works* with FreeBSD, but more that the vendor is willing to acknowledge us as a market ... petitions don't do anything, IMHO ... it all falls to 'money talks' for most vendors (not all of them, but alot of them) ... Is there anything we can do? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664