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Date:      Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:49:00 +0200
From:      Fabian Keil <freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: geli - selecting cipher
Message-ID:  <20120726154900.2f777b04@fabiankeil.de>
In-Reply-To: <20120726031450.5c06dd61@gumby.homeunix.com>
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RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:52:39 -0500 (CDT)
> Robert Bonomi wrote:
>=20
> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org  Wed Jul 25 14:00:27 2012
> > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:57:30 +0200 (CEST)
> > > From: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
> > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > > Subject: geli - selecting cipher
> > >
> > > i need high speed disk encryption (many disks running in parallel,
> > > lots of data movement). i have processor with AES-NI.
> > >
> > > geli give 150MB/s performance (tested from/to md ramdisk) using
> > > default and recommended AES-XTS
> > >
> > > and ca 400MB/s read and 700MB/s write using AES-CBC.
> > >
> > > I'm not cryptography expert, is CBC somehow "less secure", and if
> > > so is it really a problem?
> >=20
> > If you "don't know" what strength encryption you need, and/or the
> > difference between the methods, you need to hire a data-security
> > professional to examine your situation and make recommendations
> > appropriate for _your_ needs.
> >=20
> > 'CBC' -- [C]ypher [B]lock [C]hainig -- is well-suited for strictly
> > -sequential- data access.   Try reading the blocks of a large (say
> > 10gB) file in *reverse* order and see what kind of performance you
> > get. =20
>=20
> Exactly the same, in geli the encryption is done per sector.=20
>=20
>=20
> I asked a similar questions to the OPs in the geom list and didn't get
> an answer. Geli doesn't need or isn't using any advantages of XTS. And
> CBC in geli is actually equivalent to ESSIV (see the previously linked
> wikipedia page).=20
>=20
> In the end I went with 128 bit aes-cbc since it's the fastest setting
> and Bruce Schneier recommends 128 over 256 AES as being more secure. =20

Can you provide the source for the "as being more secure" part?

I'm aware of the following recommendation:

| And for new applications I suggest that people don't use AES-256.
| AES-128 provides more than enough security margin for the forseeable
| future. But if you're already using AES-256, there's no reason to change.
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/07/another_new_aes.html

But (the way I interpret it) there's no claim that AES-128 is more
secure either in general or in the context of disk encryption.

Fabian

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