Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:32:33 -0700 From: Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Why FreeBSD ports should have branches by OS version Message-ID: <1f37fffa-4b86-0480-d0ec-1357fc43e930@jetcafe.org> In-Reply-To: <666bfe8c-f27d-2c11-2a4a-07da43bb7931@FreeBSD.org> References: <CAO%2BPfDeFz1JeSwU3f21Waz3nT2LTSDAvD%2B8MSPRCzgM_0pKGnA@mail.gmail.com> <20170622121856.haikphjpvr6ofxn3@ivaldir.net> <dahnkctsm1elbaqlarl8b9euouaplqk2tv@4ax.com> <20170622141644.yadxdubynuhzygcy@ivaldir.net> <cc1c38a4-108c-5f3f-7fa1-400fdcf497f6@freebsd.org> <ee6fe33b-aa24-ae5f-f652-f940e15c247a@jetcafe.org> <1498157001.2235.1.camel@gmail.com> <ffe23575-09a8-9e8c-ab21-772ca5e71aa1@jetcafe.org> <1498206372.2506.1.camel@gmail.com> <666bfe8c-f27d-2c11-2a4a-07da43bb7931@FreeBSD.org>
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On 06/23/2017 01:53, Guido Falsi wrote: > If your model works fine I'm quite sure the FreeBSD community and > project will be quite happy to embrace it. ... > I cannot think of a better way to show there actually is no manpower problem than creating a working example of such a workflow maintained by just a few people with little effort, as you said repeatedly. ... > On other hand demanding and/or insisting that others implement your idea > when they clearly disagree with you is not very constructive. The fallacy in your suggestion to "do it yourself" is that the others who are actually working and committing on ports are far more efficient at implementing these ideas than the rest of us. I've never seen someone who says "do it yourself if you want it different" actually take into account that the expertise and experience of the people currently doing it result in a far lower manpower cost, sometimes by orders of magnitude. Thus, in some cases, people demand or insist because they want something they either cannot accomplish themselves, or cannot accomplish in the limited time they have. As far as I have observed, you can't even -pay- the ports experts to do something you might want. If you do not have this time or expertise, the only recourses left are: demand, insist, request, plead, or attempt to logically convince. As I see it, the emotions you see people expressing don't come as much from "not having their own way" as it does from being forced to adopt someone else's way. Looking at just that idea, the situation is not really that much different from using Microsoft and Apple; you take what they give you or go use something else. I think there's a general perception that open source is not supposed to be like that so much, but I think we all know differently here. To be absolutely clear, I'm not demanding or insisting on anything here out of ports maintainers or FreeBSD. I can and do support myself, when I am able. I'm merely pointing out ideas which may not be immediately visible to the people in this thread. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>>> *The opinions expressed above are entirely my own* <<<< In a dream, Nasrudin saw himself being counted out coins. When there were nine silver pieces in his hand, the invisible donor stopped giving them. Nasrudin shouted, "I must have ten!" so loudly that he woke himself up. Finding all the money gone he closed his eyes again and said. "All right, then, give them back. I'll take the nine."
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