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Date:      Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:56:11 +0200
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@freebsd.org>, Navdeep Parhar <nparhar@gmail.com>, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Alberto Mijares <amijaresp@gmail.com>, freebsd-current Current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, ports <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: HOWTO articles for migrating from Linux to FreeBSD, especially for pkg?
Message-ID:  <20140717205611.GD28314@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net>
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 01:21:32PM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On 17 July 2014 13:15, Navdeep Parhar <nparhar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 07/17/14 13:12, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> >> On 17 July 2014 13:03, Alberto Mijares <amijaresp@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wr=
ote:
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) The binary packages need to work out of the box
> >>>> 4) .. which means, when you do things like pkg install apache, it
> >>>> can't just be installed and not be enabled, because that's a bit of a
> >>>> problem;
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No. Please NEVER do that! The user must be able to edit the files and
> >>> start the service by himself.
> >>
> >> Cool, so what's the single line command needed to type in to start a
> >> given package service?
> >
> > Aren't sysrc(8) and service(8) for this kind of stuff?
>=20
> Yup, and if the default is going to be off, then you want the
> instructions to be "type this in", not "edit this file."
>=20
> There's odd things too, like "oh look I installed xorg, but then I
> can't run it without enabling hald/dbus, then starting it.. oh wait,
> no mouse, so I have to reboot for them to come up right" kind of crap.
>=20
yes that is why xorg needs to have devd instead of hal support by default :)

regards,
Bapt

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