From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 15:08:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AC21065670 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796938FC0C for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1995783bwz.43 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:07:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rS4g0KI6pIUOH1sPMJSdKRG/NI5eDWdssz5QWcg4TmE=; b=H9zysuwro5Kps/1qQvHuhWAkpv/27XQIPB9q5sGTva+anV9G5shULE/3glNGbpI5oe OrP2B2+kh69WrkagTWd88sPEACfBGAPHyS67rUzGOI7YXmUZGIHLFnrLJOJYqZIqAF1v tQnrS0XDiLDRNjzwdPqGLJd2gU8DB9PgICUSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=QRyrBdiZ4WT1B5zV8cjJAZSv8qLlhShuk2pXDGgaEwGPcXyoTwcR9DPTp+4pfL0fUl 1Qc/fumr7eDgixfVC7upaV/paiueAVeXuHxQLSKdCLu/bfEXbisgEvoCFQ3cZrDkpHLt 37qMcBmjqYL2c88WboAzfSS6K1xVTri4X//bQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.15.86 with SMTP id j22mr81846faa.47.1253889542117; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:39:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> <4ABCBF61.20205@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: telmnstr@757.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:08:00 -0000 On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > >> That whoever wrote that post is very closed minded, has no problem >> condemning something prior to investigation, and perhaps wears a pair of >> glasses that only come in one shade. > > Oracle is an expensive business application that is expected to be VERY > reliable. It's expected to have a high end support infrastructure behind it. > > This is why they limit the number of operating systems to a very specific > few, that are backed by companies with a reputation. I'm not vouching for > them, but most businesses aren't looking to plunk down $50,000 or $100,000 > for a database product for their mission critical application, and run it on > something that lacks a commercial support infrastructure behind it. > > RedHat is the only reason linux has gotten as far as it has in the heavy > business and gov't world. > >> I completely and utterly disagree with the claims made in that post. >> I've been using FreeBSD for nearly 10 years, and I vouch for the fact >> that FreeBSD has made huge strides during that time. Not only is the OS >> mature, but so are the people who write it, maintain it, and advocate it. > > While it has, it's still lagging. I can't even get a decent shell from the > FreeBSD install CD or boot CD. If the installer fails at getting the first > package, after you re-enter the information to try again, it seems to pick > up on package #2, skipping the first, which is probably the kernel. I took a > hiatus(sp) from FreeBSD and when I came back after spending a bunch of time > in the Linux world, I noticed some pretty sore things. > > I'm not hating on BSD, I'm still kind of meh about Linux, but I can see why > companies do what they do. A small firm webhosting stuff with MySQL is one > thing. Large corporations running mission critical databases is another. > > I assume Oracle goes through heavy lengths to certify their product on the > few OSes they officially support. Probably Solaris, Redhat and their own > Linux distro. This is a huge deal to them. > > Think of it as an appliance. If you hate Linux, help Solaris. Run your > oracle on your Solaris system, and hit it from your FreeBSD system. > > I'd be willing to bet there is little to no commercial demand for Oracle on > FreeBSD. Heck, look at all the SGI went through with Oracle, and the rumors > were that Oracle ran faster than any other platform on IRIX for a while. > Oracle wouldn't release it, maybe becuase Ellison and McNealy are BFF or > something. > ...and this, of course, brings us to the purchase of Sun Microsystems by Oracle. Expect Oracle to put a lot of emphasis on Solaris in the future.