From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 10 09:02:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05215 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smgmail.smgmail.com ([204.170.177.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05195 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from AdamT@smginc.com) Received: from smginc.com (204.170.177.4 [204.170.177.4]) by smgmail.smgmail.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 2A5GW53P; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:57:26 -0400 Received: by smginc.com with Microsoft Mail id <352E639E@smginc.com>; Fri, 10 Apr 98 11:23:26 PDT From: Adam Turoff To: Greg Lehey Cc: "hackers@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: Fw: Your Article "Freeware: The Heart & Soul of the Internet" Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 11:58:00 PDT Message-ID: <352E639E@smginc.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg writes: > Tim knows about Jordan, despite his message. We've repeatedly tried > to get them interested in BSD, but there's something at ORA that > resists. I suspect it's not Tim (who lives in California), but > somebody on the East Coast. Really? I don't know much about ORA politics, but I got introduced to FreeBSD by an O'Reilly sysadmin/author from the east coast office. In fact, he was introduced at the O'Reilly Perl conference as "that guy trying to sell FreeBSD - free software! - on CD". > I've just about given up with ORA. They seem to be relinquishing > their position as the favourite UNIX publisher and chasing the NT > crowd. I'm surprised they even had this "summit". Tim makes a buttload off of free software. Last summer, Programming Perl ($40 MSRP) was selling a copy every 6 minutes. We calculated that the pittance of a royalty check coming to Larry Wall as one of the three authors of that book must be enough to pay a modest set of living expenses. Add in the rest of the catalog. It adds up. If there's any resistance at ORA, it looks to me like the (english-speaking) *BSD market isn't big enough, or the market is suffering from aftershocks of the "fractionalization" of the *BSD movement. -- Adam. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message