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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 185sm2194323qke.92.2020.06.11.05.56.24 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 11 Jun 2020 05:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hp-envy.seibercom.net [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49jP4S0jFrz2lHN for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:56:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-ID: <20200611085616.0000514b@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> <53a6833e-db63-2395-4d2e-f05a9b1fb269@boxsci.com> <20200611112418.0bb0c896b685c84ed8d6a8f6@sohara.org> <20200611135639.0c07500e@archlinux> <36a71c5c-ccf0-d28d-c6c1-1d9c80873a12@yuripv.dev> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/eP2StqjBtkKTR=eHJGvd+UI"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jP4W3NbBz4Ynr X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=Vv6oI60V; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::832 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.49 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.225.250:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.012]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.10)[0.100]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::832:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:56:28 -0000 --Sig_/eP2StqjBtkKTR=eHJGvd+UI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:15:04 -0400, Aryeh Friedman commented: >On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 8:03 AM Yuri Pankov wrote: > >> Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: =20 >> > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 06:49:47 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: =20 >> >> As to the comment of how common top posting is or not almost >> >> every web based MUA defaults to it =20 >> > >> > Could you mention a few FLOSS BSD or Linux MUAs that by default >> > sets the cursor above the quoted text? =20 >> >> FWIW, Thunderbird does that by default in new accounts, you have to >> configure it to do otherwise. >> =20 > >So does every other GUI/web MUA. I don't know why it is so hard for >the FreeBSD community to get that conventions have changed (for better >or worse I don't know but they have). I have even had people complain >about not top-posting because "I can't find your reply" and thus >almost the entire world (except for a few technical mailing lists) >either accepts or encourages top-posting. > >https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D15648928 >https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-masses-utilize-the-top-posting-style-in-e= mail-replies >https://www.jefftk.com/p/abandoning-bottom-posting Personally, I find reading a message that has been replied to several time with a combination of "Top Posting," "Bottom Posting" and "Inline Posting" to be virtually impossible to follow at some point in time. Even worse are the number of responders who fail to clip out unneeded portions of the message. I am aware that there are users who consider "truncating" parts of a message as blasphemy. However, without proper pruning, an email replied to numerous times in a virtual cornucopia of styles, becomes an unintelligent mess. Just my 2=C2=A2 --=20 Jerry --Sig_/eP2StqjBtkKTR=eHJGvd+UI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl7iKfAACgkQOHMGOIfe xWRQwwf+PLMznj/Shlyynq+pCfC0oI7t14kY+lwkmelo8+ViSHAmDRbUYjRlwcG/ OelZ/4HKrp4IBk5NqfdVZ/d5vZrCxTO4Aj9SJD4mx7V8InO8HAC3FFvf4p944zog W18b1v5nHVBvts8eAudIBkLo+NXbDHgnmQGhQB1run6Smo6ZDPsRhEjgM39Buee+ lRWEWQYQ+1nOemBCkwyJWiotIjsEoLFCMGVvnKPOYk00x6+OrhkoS/aZvrb/OmJ3 OyDvM7WVES01brgZrxQ0IgP06YJ9ol0jRIuR5CEQiDsfDJShMNNz3nHB1m4Y5UN4 nI52I4xhp1fpyHEnD9aSlPQaeclA2A== =zkCG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/eP2StqjBtkKTR=eHJGvd+UI--