From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:01:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85B56741 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F9BF9E4 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sBFD10fi071775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id sBFD0xth071772; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:00:59 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: sthaug@nethelp.no Subject: Re: BIND chroot environment in 10-RELEASE...gone? In-Reply-To: <20141215.123405.74723741.sthaug@nethelp.no> Message-ID: References: <20131203.223612.74719903.sthaug@nethelp.no> <20141215.082038.41648681.sthaug@nethelp.no> <20141215.123405.74723741.sthaug@nethelp.no> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 06:01:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, ronald-lists@klop.ws X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:01:02 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2014, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: >>> >>> Removing the changeroot environment and symlinking logic is a net >>> disservice to the FreeBSD community, and disincentive to use FreeBSD. >>> >>> >>> Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no >> >> Isn't this reasoning a bit flawed? Something hurt you so you state it is >> hurting a whole community. >> >> I, for one, am glad the security updates of the Bind software are now >> better maintainable across all FreeBSD version. > > I don't see the connection between removing BIND from the base system > (I agree that this makes BIND updates better maintainable) and the > complete removal of the changeroot/symlink functionality. > >> NB: using a jail might give an easier to maintain secure environment for >> bind than a chroot. With more restrictions to the process also. > > Absolutely agree. However, that requires time to learn jails properly, > which I don't have right now. Here is a start: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/jails-ezjail.html#jails-ezjail-example-bind