From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Oct 23 16:25:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B754FC1E7B8 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50B3DB80 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-117-205.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.117.205]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B86A24D6F; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:25:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u9NGP4lP003311; Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:25:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:25:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it time to retire the scanner ? Message-Id: <20161023182504.176c7a95.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20161023165749.bf7c84829910e947a7572260@sohara.org> References: <20161022224754.162d0870.freebsd@edvax.de> <20161023004100.33fc999a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20161023135334.d11fd376.freebsd@edvax.de> <20161023145846.5381df860d1410643eb845a0@sohara.org> <51209.69.209.224.207.1477234260.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20161023172801.4f143b32.freebsd@edvax.de> <20161023165749.bf7c84829910e947a7572260@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:25:07 -0000 On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:57:49 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:28:01 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 09:51:00 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, October 23, 2016 8:58 am, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > On Sun, 23 Oct 2016 13:53:34 +0200 > > > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > > >> On FreeBSD, getting that printer to work in CUPS requires no big > > > >> efforts, you don't even need the PPD file. You even don't _need_ > > > >> to use CUPS as you can print PS directly to the printer - no > > > >> driver needed, only a printer spooler. And this hasn't changed > > > >> in 10 years... > > > > ` > > > > Probably not in the previous 10 years too (well it's almost > > > > 2017 and the LJ4000 came out in 1997), I know for sure that you could > > > > spool PS to a Laserjet 4 with lpr/lpd under FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 because I > > > > did just that. > > > > > > And to add to that, HP keeps making supplies for their this old > > > printers. We do have HP LaserJet 4050 in our Department which was > > > purchased around 2001 or 2002. Still works, HP still makes toners. > > > Kudos HP! > > > > Even "worse": The toner cartridges are quite cheap. People usually > > think I'm lying when I tell them my home printing costs are 30 Euro > > every 3 years (this is 10 Euro per year, less than 1 Euro per month). > > Try to beat _that_ with typical consumer ink cartridge costs... ;-) > > About the same as mine using oversized 'CIS' cartridges and bulk > ink in my Brother inkjet (cheap A3 - hard to resist), but then we don't > print much perhaps a ream or so per year. Some years ago, I met a HP Officejet printer with ink cartridges (not combined with printing heads!) where you could easily (and also quite cleanly!) refill the ink from big "bulk ink" bottles with a set of syringes. Needless to say, it had a scanner with sheet feeder, a fax, a built-in SD card reader and USB slot, a color display - and it even was networked! That was the first time when I tought that there are ink printers which aren't crap to rip off the customer. And it supported FreeBSD of course. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...