From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 6 9: 5: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840C037B400; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2244243E3B; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:05:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H2000FYSY0A5B@mtaout03.icomcast.net>; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:04:58 -0400 From: Lawrence Sica Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-reply-to: <20020905190756.A54861@FreeBSD.org> To: Juli Mallett Cc: "Neal E. Westfall" , Joshua Lee , dave@jetcafe.org, tlambert2@mindspring.com, crap@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <642600A8-C1B2-11D6-A71E-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 10:07 PM, Juli Mallett wrote: > iirc, as the god of life was known then), Judaism was born after ages > passed, and from there, we end up with Christianity these days. It > would > be more correct to say that Hebrew tribal elders made up hell; you are > forgetting that the roots of Christianity are in Judaism. > Judeo-christian faiths don't have the market on hell or hell-like places. Hinduism and Buddhism both have a hell like place. I cannot recall the names for it. > And of course they made it up, it fulfills a number of low-level > desires > of the human psyche. > > Not that I'm not a religious person myself, it's just important to > remember > that all of this came from tribal traditions and warring, and that all > of > Wicca came from a lecherous old man who decided to take from Celtic and > old European religions throughout the ages, and that Jesus was a man, > and > a great man, and a man who said great things. > > That doesn't mean any of it isn't true. Just because one "makes > something up" > doesn't mean it's false. It could be inherent in-born knowledge. > Many of the worlds religions share the same basic tenets. Things like views on stealing, killing, the idea of an afterlife. Ever read anything by Carl Jung? He talks of a collective unconcious and race memory. Really interesting stuff. > I prefer to believe that all beliefs are valid, most are probably > somewhat > right, and none are "wrong". > I disagree. There is right and wrong in the world. Killing another human being is wrong for example. An interesting side note, early catholicism was against war, period. Later it was rationalized and made ok. So even a religion's belifs change and would be wrong depending on the period. Many times right and wrong are not determined by truth but by those in power. But that doesn't mean there are some universal truths about what should be right and should be wrong. > It's all about people and perception. Unfortunately, this universe > seems > built with the intentions to get people to look beyond perception - > things > have inherent beauty and structure at levels below what the eye can > see, > people are not always what they appear to be, and enjoying it is what > really > matters, to me. The problem is many people refuse to look between the lines if you will. Many blindly accept what they are told to believe as though it were canon. If you look hard enough and in the right way even chaos has a pattern. Does this mean that there is a God? I cannot say for anyone but myself :). But there seems to be a pattern to all things. And beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message