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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i17sm2289685qtr.33.2021.03.20.05.38.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 20 Mar 2021 05:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.seibercom.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F2gKT16grz1yZc for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:38:08 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Call to delay EOL of 11.x -> Re: OS to replace FreeBSD Message-ID: <20210320083808.00000cb1@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <5743CB5D-338C-4609-8E89-396440926CEC@videotron.ca> <20210319110001.00000bf8@seibercom.net> <4602cbad-bf26-18d1-83e6-cba9627787d8@johnea.net> <90FEC704-1764-43E7-BEFA-C9481CF14714@kreme.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/5SF9YYp.XeDq+i/G2lxjqLy"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F2gKX20G8z4SKW X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=YIEmspCz; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.44 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.963]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:38:25 -0000 --Sig_/5SF9YYp.XeDq+i/G2lxjqLy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:30:15 +0100, Mohammad Noureldin stated: >Hi, > >On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 10:00 @lbutlr wrote: > >> On 19 Mar 2021, at 10:10, freebsd@johnea.net wrote: =20 >> > To anyone who has read the bug report, this is clearly a serious =20 >> regression issue on certain USB (probably 3) host controller >> hardware. >> >> I've read the bug report and all the replies and it is clearly a >> flaw in the controller. It is providing an invalid ID. >> =20 > >If that's the case, I am curious how other Unix-Like Operating Systems >manage to work on the same HW ? There are a number of possibilities. 1) They have better programmers that can handle abnormalities. 2) They realize that there are always going to be flaws in software and hardware and are smart enough to work around it. This is of course assuming that the actual problem is a defective controller that every other OS can handle correctly. If, and this is assuming that is correct, then why doesn't FreeBSD just code what the defective controller is allegedly sending and accept it? The simple fact the the code worked in versions prior to 12.x makes this excuse that the controlled is defective highly suspect. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/5SF9YYp.XeDq+i/G2lxjqLy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEELeCiu2K+9VmEYYgTgHBP8gv9FXcFAmBV7LUACgkQgHBP8gv9 FXde4gv/S7Akv7D4zwTXRQEcqju3FPpZ0NtbEET0Tk0VC2AFHSLff8XA9hiOZWP4 SvNeBAdlSTJPwYqgr0j4H9iAz6idkp7jIV795BfhWQUQCT54O5cxEpuRjDGH2tsR u3bsGB7aSaWDdTzXdVwdjxU1JbvpOwjKROWaQXFCiO8IJfggO93OV49Xh9VfU8e5 0c+FZYV19Ah2KkSsmZPgE1SIZQey5TsUEug0U0kShOAvpxmkBNf8FiCdFgp40ecj 4XZXVkTP3CfJNwMgFYbzaVkq0tV3q6G4lypybmwNJm1EXjqMP8HCKqXRWjZzV4ho ISds8M0bgkgZvjTEGXRD/PHUyX/SPN9Pza+nIUBLbO+UR/HKODvWdXOt92qYHRF3 CfGSWpklaPsrexizTVLgNCXVdjivFYz8DjnK6QHfoizoglPBZLjme5PsCTWPz/nQ RVvsWP5FmlYIslYBlF2+pljFWEcW4T84JY/WeiHn0O37eGBWLit3vmVyOxMqTZGq W9cYHq/c =4lal -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/5SF9YYp.XeDq+i/G2lxjqLy--