From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Fri Apr 14 11:57:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1186CD3C50A for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 11:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xelalex_maker@web.de) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [217.72.192.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.web.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D0B778B for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 11:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xelalex_maker@web.de) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([2.163.83.209]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LlWCR-1cRZue0qBD-00bNfM for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:44:43 +0200 Subject: Re: Fwd: Installing NetBSD on an iBook G4 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <494181492124205@web23m.yandex.ru> <37d93436-2472-e0d9-42ab-3f845124ebb7@freebsd.org> From: Alexander Klein Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:44:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37d93436-2472-e0d9-42ab-3f845124ebb7@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:DcqiLaRfY272aqlpWpW7kwO+rdk4AgaUXWf/PT1PdTcTR4vhhXQ xOawjXPqPnmyE6Xfn+WoHClKH2pmWD8j5QIqrEO+rcLgbmLt/rBzdRbh0FpET0sQHSuYAcT HhPOIsgqxFtChxlbzy23W8DtNagnFi4drHdOpOzMexcBMU0zpkQoy8tVGXS0euSR79ziNFQ 2fscr91cSD61XC9oIO85A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:NCihCJMTXN0=:Pg5aoPRllyHk7/zlUOrfij lKjWOGC9vsgLyb02nBUnEl8WkOt67lAUbsfWImDDscJox300mtuQ0LEPux0jxKyhD/CXTwzV5 ulP08WYxsy0g4Y0ykuJRBOKSloY6gdw+eUdHJNTk/0y2/GR7zQmkmNZfozNDn3XRewUt3Drcp 6iCfGbgbVslEGnduWgdp3e7eOUMatP7ESCXiKcW37XFU8HHTqLn8r3Dn01lpJ9cQE05CGkGB/ DHr0BdM0RrkjDGF4210QylkFY0WjaObAny4SIA8B35mIxLqVEYwnFa7Ku59waM2h1vESLZTC1 mCOoh3+ghee9hdAKFLsOZivSGqGRy5AEgSp6k6YWOmsz39HdDgR1ieUpKF6eNebmfFQQ9IeWo 0iLEj69bIUacYDesW39Li2ta4T1fmyYWVuN6NauYH/QvgpQHjPGidIvLuNarr8ryxkJSoMd28 TNswDRhzzjCBVXh+5CaaZ3lmGgXRogsGu3JJgwCVSqlKNe9afbaYeerLnsc0Z1AkCvKzPo+PM Hlr66xsm8kqOz0tI0wDiRpyrlt5HGG94m6yNp/pPD8lRO1awkBWYHOeXrIyVkyErbjEBgpuag yf/cIhGFX2TMxuFQWJ4O0VOLx6hCZ+3/2l9LzqbNBWWxjJ+tYpUvEBcQ5s8gXmzLIca5oOy12 HNj558+KYVUTncIavjya295A0zQnXLfGX3XMa0bMgrj43j6hqI8egyGS6jgkbOmCX/HWMacEh PHRGdyAt8O/Ky4GNuVinhfHrs2dtz5WvrMRS4WI7eg1Nn4BX/ybDjC/jfwmEUtokuwJcOi9Om 9wT1eAu X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 11:57:48 -0000 Am 14.04.2017 um 02:06 schrieb Nathan Whitehorn: > Assuming there was an attachment here, it seems to have been scrubbed > by the mailing list. Allow me to help out, I am the original sender of the probably scrubbed mail to the NetBSD/MacPPC-list. ;) Just to be clear: I did not mean to say that the problems installing NetBSD are in any way related to having installed FreeBSD previously, but rather that having thrown out everything related to OSX when installing FreeBSD resulted in a situation where it becomes difficult to install NetBSD without first bringing some OSX-stuff back. Original text follows: > Hi, > > having played a bit with FreeBSD on my old iBook G4, I decided to try > NetBSD, which I had already used some twenty years ago on my old > 68k-Macs. > > I remember that back in the day there were certain peculiarities > during installation, which seem to have sent me into an infinite loop > right now: > > Before trying NetBSD, I had already cleaned the disk of the iBook of > anything related to OSX in favour of FreeBSD, and this seems to > result in certain problems, which I cannot figure out how to > circumvent: > > Unless I misunderstood it completely, INSTALLATION.more says that > OpenFirmware should be able to boot the machine from an MS-DOS > partition, but I am stuck initialising the disk properly. > > I managed to create a set of partitions with fdisk, but I do not know > how to make sysinst or disklabel see them, let alone which devices to > use to initialise any kind of filesystem there. > > newfs_msdos was apparently able to create a filesystem in partition > 0, which seems to get mapped to /dev/wd0a, but as far as the other > partitions are concerned, I could not get any useful results. > /dev/wd0b is inaccessible, and the harddisk as a whole seems to be > mapped to /dev/wd0c. > > The manual for fdisk points to a program called mbrlabel, which > should be able to update disklabels from the MBR-partition-scheme, > but it is not on the install media. > > Is there really not 'self contained' way to get NetBSD up and running > using the ISO alone? > > Best regards, > > Alexander > > P.s.: Another annoyance is that the kernel used on the installation > medium does not shut down devices properly, when issuing a "halt". As > a result, the harddisk does not park the heads properly, and instead > performs an emergency retract upon getting cut off from power, which > is needlessly hard on the (old) mechanics. Is there any way to avoid > this?