From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 15 14:10:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A98023C3DB for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x229.google.com (mail-lj1-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::229]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48KXFw43rTz4Hnq for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x229.google.com with SMTP id x14so13819876ljd.13 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 06:10:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fvZpk2CAAgDnilesjHTi4Il8PG3k3SlHqsWM8SepJ8s=; b=PBn2v2OCPhfDGc/6VH1aOe/xBVqyZqkMCxotUlh+zu35X8kYxxoID5ryKMBfaxtpFm Qyyi5YtnEE3Zx8vxeLBHJEiLYU5RFmDKSjrP/CZF0BEKOVcoQrwDhwW8LvEZ0AhJCo2c Ou68JAlhVuapX4nttdmRy9gUri2bn3+Zhc6zPQztECjiWAVSiRxzWpZjyhMV8UOBQo3a cAGry5kgF0NOLQohnTEBtS04sklaCFinI5qfJnwhsThrdqaCZVDBCFbcNPDgjt7R7Iaz 52gZ1PvVrueq7psJ4GUNoHcOQ/jIFdiexLlFRRx93Jlb8Ru+lAmRbI32iYVtUTVhdrOM eUUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fvZpk2CAAgDnilesjHTi4Il8PG3k3SlHqsWM8SepJ8s=; b=H4UI7nE8121vj2RyQM8ogB2/vH+eTIhIJAEiaDaYkaC7Pb7g5gCgCCj0xKmm8/y206 wKZ9uDZZ9FsMukyaBvRXkLhIskKexXC+lJCHdnvOYrsI977avRYWOKNbblp12hZSG7Ax LQAAB+eMjfrRoJKiXFfFgHGo+0P/N7lNMBq8uJ09J4ahdLLIGd6drZyGTTFoCv/Va9ao EeqDCPlNe6u6ppWT7Okgjw8+S+SfGKxdl11TYyygWrX5GiXY4PRE2vO/b3G0c/zqgPfQ EkRvg7/SwvT7jZiMHQ5MPenbAC8XWU5awBQCCwAyQ8OQHT2YYtGYp4jR0eksZ/GCd3CJ jprA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW6TGpaXemJBW9lKHum1eMHKP7rXvCehSDjjVUen4PanHaIt4vI LDmpkGO0sSrhwdkKKYU0mgbNDRBmdeawNIsBIl5xaLXdGTLGLA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyJShxe1XiLZ1I+xNf9rYErskFFb1CJPIwUyxWbNSjWo6p3AU2W+eCzz2IqJJhvR/xoHIoY920LCkeXnpM13wk= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:580c:: with SMTP id m12mr5015041ljb.252.1581775826715; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 06:10:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215052620.GA1482@admin.sibptus.ru> In-Reply-To: <20200215052620.GA1482@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 09:10:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: Victor Sudakov Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48KXFw43rTz4Hnq X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=PBn2v2OC; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aimass@yabarana.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aimass@yabarana.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.18 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-2.68)[ip: (-9.23), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.42), asn: 15169(-1.68), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:10:29 -0000 On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:26 AM Victor Sudakov wrote: [...] > > I didn't really (and still don't) know the circumstances of your work > > environment. Failing that, this is really a chalk vs cheese scenario. > > I find both FreeBSD and Linux technically valid solutions (and I throw > > NetBSD into the mix). One has to be pragmatic and evaluate solutions > > against problems first. Advocating an OS over another one without > > taking care of circumstances doesn't make good advocacy. > > Fine, let's apply your approach, it could yield interesting results. Can > we find 3-4 real world scenarios where FreeBSD cannot be replaced by > Linux without important negative technical and business consequences of > said replacement? > > Other than a case of unacceptability of the GNU license for some legal > reason, I cannot imagine such a scenario. > > Unfortunatly, I've seen lots of reverse cases where Linux cannot be > replaced by FreeBSD. Docker and friends come to mind first. > > Not sure about 3 or 4 but at least 2 high profile cases come to mind that disprove your thesis: Netflix and WhatsApp: https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/testimonial/netflix/ https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/testimonial/whatsapp/ Also a lot of the use of FreeBSD is not well advertised, it's sort of like Perl (now I am starting to think why my favorite OS and Programming Language happen to share a lot of traits when it comes to popularity). Take for example the extensive use in the US DOD etc. except for the MITRE Report you will not see this kind of usage advertised. FreeBSD's license allows proprietary usage and that is not advertised either. Just like it's not advertised how Perl is the duct tape that holds a lot of the US financial sector together.