From owner-freebsd-java Wed Oct 30 8:20:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E520F37B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.cris.net (relay1.cris.net [212.110.128.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69B343E6E for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:20:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ml@phantom.cris.net) Received: from phantom.cris.net (root@phantom.cris.net [212.110.130.74]) by relay1.cris.net (8.12.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g9UJKmvR026725; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:20:48 GMT (envelope-from ml@phantom.cris.net) Received: (from ml@localhost) by phantom.cris.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) id g9UGP3RR052906; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:25:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ml) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:25:02 +0200 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Greg Lewis Cc: Nate Williams , Mikhail Kruk , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wake up call for Sun? Message-ID: <20021030182502.A52856@phantom.cris.net> References: <20021030142457.A30528@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <15807.23103.607937.532250@emerger.yogotech.com> <20021030151812.A30986@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021030151812.A30986@misty.eyesbeyond.com>; from glewis@eyesbeyond.com on Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:18:12PM +1030 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:18:12PM +1030, Greg Lewis wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:04:15PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > > I read the same thing, but I wasn't quite sure what he was driving at. > > > As I recall the slide mentioned something about threading problems. > > > So, either they were using the Linux version and HotSpot was crashing > > > or they wanted to use the native version on an SMP box and use some sort > > > of kernel threading so it would use all of the processors. > > > > For scalability purposes, they would need 'native' FreeBSD threads. The > > linux thread stuff works, but doesn't scale more. > > True. I note that there is now a KSE based pthreads library in -CURRENT. > This will eventually become the target for the JDK, which will hopefully > address a lot of issues in this regard. Yep. It will help a lot, but... * Only after it get into usable shape (it's pretty expiremental now) * Only after signaling become working (not yet implmeneted) * Only after 5.x-RELEASE become real and stable release (not early than 6 months from now, per current estimates) * And last, assuming KSE stuff working as expected (looks promising and quite real) > > Plus, the person who was pushing the effort was a big PHP fan, so there > > was little liklihood Java would have been chosen. > > I'm actually a pretty big fan of PHP for web based stuff myself :). It > has several problems, but I find it very good for what it was designed > to do. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message