From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 05:18:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4DE106566B for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 05:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0B08FC12 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 05:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2so228733vws.13 for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:18:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.164.13 with SMTP id c13mr109253vcy.110.1286428727238; Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.188.3 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.175] In-Reply-To: <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> References: <86fwwjyurd.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006215345.1a57c45c@gumby.homeunix.com> <86pqvnxbre.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101006174309.407e4216@scorpio> <86d3rnxadh.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4CAD40C7.5080908@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:18:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Gonzalo Nemmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 05:18:49 -0000 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 20:38, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > As a lawyer, no matter how much I review your set up, it=B4s a _fact_ tha= t a > license place in a place like > /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c, that is to say, lost > amongs a gazillion files: _will_ scape any review. > > Furthermore, you can count on legal advise about the thing you tell you > lawyer to review, but if you ignore _what_ you want to get reviewed: you > can=B4t count on anyone knowing it for you. I would assume that such a review would involve extracting all the licenses in the source tree, eliminating the duplicates, and having those reviewed. I'm saying I don't find the "oh I missed that one" argument convincing, because if there is the possibility of missing a license, then you aren't looking closely enough in the first place. This license is not just in src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica/hardware/hwsleep.c - it is in all the files within the acpica contrib directory, plus the upstream vendor states that it applies to the entire tarball on their website. You should reasonably expect that each piece of software (ie directory) within contrib may be under a different license and needs to be reviewed. >> Making the license more visible may be a good idea, but doesn't >> materially change the situation any. > > It does by making it visible and thus telling potential > exporters/re-exporters "watch out for this one. Ask your lawyer about it= =B4s > terms and conditions". What I meant by "doesn't materially change the situation any" is that everything exported from the US should be considered under export restrictions unless proven otherwise. Jung-uk Kim says: Historically FreeBSD never touched the license header. However, I am going to do it next time to avoid confusions. ( http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-October/222451.= html ) I don't think this makes a bit of difference (it fact it would be somewhat misleading) since the export restrictions are a valid law and dropping clauses from the license doesn't change that - are you saying I'm wrong here? --=20 Rob Farmer