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Date:      Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:33:18 +0100
From:      David Pick <d.m.pick@qmul.ac.uk>
To:        "Crist J. Clark" <cjc@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@seton.org>, dlavigne6@cogeco.ca, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, D.M.Pick@qmul.ac.uk
Subject:   Re: vpn1/fw1 NG to ipsec/racoon troubles, help please ... 
Message-ID:  <E17ZTNW-0000Y3-00@xi.css.qmw.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:48:13 PDT." <20020730074813.GF89241@blossom.cjclark.org> 

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> I've never figured out why people use gif(4) interfaces when ESP does
> the tunneling for you.

Perhaps because with some packet-filter facilities you can't
filter both the outer packet headers (IPSEC headers) *and*
the inner packet headers (TCP, UDP, &c) if they appear to
be associated with the same interface; with a formal gif(4)
tunnel you can filter the outer headers on the physical
interface and the inner headers on the gif(4) interface.

-- 
	David Pick



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