From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 00:08:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1597A16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:08:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@budostore.de) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (mo-p00-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A2643C9D for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:07:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from news@budostore.de) Received: from nor75-5-82-235-173-77.fbx.proxad.net (nor75-5-82-235-173-77.fbx.proxad.net [82.235.173.77]) by post.webmailer.de (mrclete mo64) (RZmta 3.8) with ESMTP id iB9K7DB300ca9G for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:08:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:08:49 +0100 (MET) From: Karl Sinn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200612082010.42744.news@budostore.de> <200612092204.53800.news@budostore.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200612100100.59207.news@budostore.de> X-RZG-AUTH: ibDpgOm8RLcSc5zBxTj4 Subject: Re: Configuration of Grub? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:08:51 -0000 Hi, Am Samstag, 9. Dezember 2006 23:19 schrieb David Stanford: > title FreeBSD > root (hd1,0,a) > kernel /boot/loader This worked. But I have to say, I don't know why. It is the third harddisk in the system, and it's definitifly the slave on the second IDE-port. During the installation I had to identify the disk with ad3. How can grub mix the harddisks up and set this one to hd1? Is there any logic behind? Anyway I already have the next problem: How to start KDE But I'll check the Handbook first and start a new thread if I don't manage. Thanks for all the help and information Karl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 00:13:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724C416A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout7.cac.washington.edu (mxout7.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332A343C9D for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:12:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.141]) by mxout7.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id kBA0DpZ5016670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:13:51 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.0.101] (dsl254-013-145.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.13.145]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id kBA0DpLW001989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:13:51 -0800 Message-ID: <457B513E.1080506@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:13:50 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200612082010.42744.news@budostore.de> <200612090958.03581.news@budostore.de> <200612092204.53800.news@budostore.de> <457B417E.9030506@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.2.2.285561, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, Antispam-Data: 2006.12.9.155932 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __LINES_OF_YELLING 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Subject: Re: Configuration of Grub? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:13:52 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Stanford wrote: >> Incorrect. If you installed the filesystem on ad3s1, it should be: >> >> root (hd3,0,a) > > > Thank you, I stand corrected. Not sure what I was thinking there... :) > > Many people goof up GRUB by accident because it's numbering system is >> zero-based and linux-like to a certain extent, so /dev/hda in Linux >> translates to hd0 in GRUB, which is also ad0 in FreeBSD. > > > This now leads me to a thought: does Grub count only *existing* hard drives > on your system or does it count the hard drive channels on your system? In > this case, Karl says he has installed FreeBSD on ad3, which makes me think > he has installed on a second SATA drive (more likely that on a fourth hard > drive I would think), and FreeBSD has counted two IDE channels as ad0 and > ad1, and two SATA channels as ad2 and ad3. If this is the case, and Grub > counts only the *existing* drives on his system, then he would have to use > (hd1,0,a), no? This would also explain the "disk is not existing" error he > was recieving. > > I'd be interested in hearing thoughts (or facts ;) on this as I hate being > left confused... :) > > -David Good question; not sure about that one, since the BIOS may or may not count the EIDE channels as 0 and 1, and the SATA as 2 and 3. Needless to say, this little numbering scheme with grub has become confusing, esp with the introduction of new technology (SATA) >.>. Not sure how numbering would work with SCSI either (something I should try sometime), because I don't know how the BIOS numbers drives with SCSI cards or SATA drives put into the mix. As an example, I'll use my Linux box (which has just EIDE drives in it): Filesystem (as basis for understanding what's going on): sprsd gcooper # fdisk -l Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 80000000000 bytes 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 155009 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 1 18601 9374872+ 83 Linux Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/hda2 18602 20799 1107508+ 83 Linux Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/hda3 * 20799 53311 16386300 7 HPFS/NTFS Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/hda4 53311 155009 51255823+ 5 Extended Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/hda5 53312 53427 58432+ 83 Linux /dev/hda6 53428 155009 51197328 83 Linux For determining what's what, he could just load up the grub shell and type in... grub> root (hd0,0) Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x83 Note that it says what the partition type is and so you have an idea of where you are and what's going on. Yet, GRUB's understanding is limited because it doesn't directly understand NTFS, and hence I think that's what the chainloader command is present when booting Windows since it passes the ball for loading the OS to NTLDR (although a more technical document could help tell why): grub> root (hd0,1) Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x83 - -Garrett -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFe1E+6CkrZkzMC68RAliBAJsHgkz/MlQ2tTHTvEkRZ4S64OWa6ACggsmu RgVBQbEE0IR74tInOPTX0RM= =Mch+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 00:24:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8432716A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1328843CA0 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:23:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBA0Lqff057498; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:21:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id kBA0LqR5057497; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:21:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:21:52 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Marwan Sultan Message-ID: <20061210002151.GA57436@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <200612091303.07429.dmw@unete.cl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: dmw@unete.cl, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: error ouput of fsck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:24:30 -0000 On Sat, Dec 09, 2006 at 09:55:06PM +0000, Marwan Sultan wrote: > Hello Daniel, > > The problem, is why its happening ? > > Also the other server had this sudden diffrent output > > 192# fsck > ** /dev/ad8s1a (NO WRITE) > ** Last Mounted on / > ** Root file system > ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes > ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity > ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts > ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups > 1492 files, 29045 used, 10125154 free (706 frags, 1265556 blocks, 0.0% > fragmentation) > ** /dev/ad8s1e (NO WRITE) > ** Last Mounted on /tmp > ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes > ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity > UNREF DIR I=659456 OWNER=admin MODE=40700 > SIZE=512 MTIME=Dec 10 00:46 2006 > RECONNECT? no > > ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts > LINK COUNT DIR I=659456 OWNER=admin MODE=40700 > SIZE=512 MTIME=Dec 10 00:46 2006 COUNT 2 SHOULD BE 1 > ADJUST? no > > UNREF FILE I=659457 OWNER=admin MODE=140755 > SIZE=0 MTIME=Dec 10 00:46 2006 > RECONNECT? no > > > CLEAR? no > Hmmm. RECONNECT? no ADJUST? no CLEAR? no Why are you responding 'no' to each prompt to fix things? If you keep doing that it will never get the file systems cleared up. ////jerry > ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups > 43 files, 24 used, 7615615 free (175 frags, 951930 blocks, 0.0% > fragmentation) > ** /dev/ad8s1f (NO WRITE) > ** Last Mounted on /usr > ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes > UNKNOWN FILE TYPE I=7918875 > UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY > > CLEAR? no > > ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > DUP/BAD I=7918875 OWNER=root MODE=40755 > SIZE=512 MTIME=Nov 16 15:29 2006 > DIR=/ports/math/ump > > UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCY > > REMOVE? no > > fsck_ufs: cannot find inode 7918875 > > > > >On Saturday 09 December 2006 11:48, Marwan Sultan wrote: > >> Hello Gurus, > >> > >> Im on FreeBSD 6.1R-p10, Box acting as NAT/gateway. > >> I have mysql, freeradius, chillispot installed all working > >> okay. > >> > >> Every like 2-3 weeks my box become slow...internet sharing > >> works and stops, > >> timeout, page cannot be displayed... and when i dig in the > >> logs... i see really nothing.. > >> no i mean nothing! but 1 strange thing.. my radius log says > >> the follow > >> > >> Sat Dec 9 16:51:18 2006 : Info: Ready to process requests. > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql (sql): Trying to > >> (re)connect unconnected handle 4.. > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql_mysql: Starting > >> connect to MySQL server for #4 > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql (sql): got socket 4 > >> after skipping 0 unconnected handles, tried to reconnect 1 > >> though > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql (sql): Trying to > >> (re)connect unconnected handle 3.. > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql_mysql: Starting > >> connect to MySQL server for #3 > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql (sql): got socket 3 > >> after skipping 0 unconnected handles, tried to reconnect 1 > >> though > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql (sql): Trying to > >> (re)connect unconnected handle 2.. > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql_mysql: Starting > >> connect to MySQL server for #2 > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql (sql): got socket 2 > >> after skipping 0 unconnected handles, tried to reconnect 1 > >> though > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql (sql): Trying to > >> (re)connect unconnected handle 1.. > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql_mysql: Starting > >> connect to MySQL server for #1 > >> Sat Dec 9 17:26:30 2006 : Info: rlm_sql (sql): got socket 1 > >> after skipping 0 unconnected handles, tried to reconnect 1 > >> though > >> > >> However, maybe the previous log, is not freebsd concerns..but > >> for a while i was thinking why > >> isql giving such an error, in the time its working and its > >> up. really no logs.. > >> I tried to do fsck.. and here its...SUPERBLK errors.. and i > >> cannot understand why @ > >> can someone kindly look into these fsck output and explain > >> for me please? why and how to solve.. > >> what makes it more wierd, that after 2 or 3 weeks, another > >> server on diffrent network > >> had _same_problem_exactly_, any explains please? > >> > >> 192# fsck -y > >> ** /dev/ad7s1a (NO WRITE) > >> ** Last Mounted on / > >> ** Root file system > >> ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes > >> ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > >> ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity > >> ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts > >> ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups > >> 1493 files, 29211 used, 7586428 free (740 frags, 948211 > >> blocks, 0.0% fragmentation) > >> ** /dev/ad7s1d (NO WRITE) > >> ** Last Mounted on /tmp > >> ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes > >> ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > >> ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity > >> ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts > >> ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups > >> 38 files, 21 used, 7615618 free (154 frags, 951933 blocks, > >> 0.0% fragmentation) > >> ** /dev/ad7s1f (NO WRITE) > >> ** Last Mounted on /usr > >> ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes > >> ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > >> ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity > >> ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts > >> ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups > >> 233993 files, 1179379 used, 38959217 free (47889 frags, > >> 4863916 blocks, 0.1% fragmentation) > >> ** /dev/ad7s1e (NO WRITE) > >> ** Last Mounted on /var > >> ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes > >> ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames > >> ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity > >> ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts > >> UNREF FILE I=376867 OWNER=mysql MODE=100600 > >> SIZE=0 MTIME=Dec 9 16:51 2006 > >> CLEAR? no > >> > >> UNREF FILE I=376868 OWNER=mysql MODE=100600 > >> SIZE=0 MTIME=Dec 9 16:51 2006 > >> CLEAR? no > >> > >> UNREF FILE I=376869 OWNER=mysql MODE=100600 > >> SIZE=0 MTIME=Dec 9 16:51 2006 > >> CLEAR? no > >> > >> UNREF FILE I=376870 OWNER=mysql MODE=100600 > >> SIZE=0 MTIME=Dec 9 16:51 2006 > >> CLEAR? no > >> > >> UNREF FILE I=1530904 OWNER=root MODE=100644 > >> SIZE=0 MTIME=Dec 9 16:51 2006 > >> CLEAR? no > >> > >> ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups > >> SUMMARY BLK COUNT(S) WRONG IN SUPERBLK > >> SALVAGE? no > >> > >> 1464 files, 29446 used, 7586194 free (506 frags, 948211 > >> blocks, 0.0% fragmentation) > >> 192# > > > > Try booting in single user mode, and then unmounting all > >units: > > # umount -a > > # fsck -y > > # mount -a > > > > If the last command goes well, the file system check is > >done... > > > >> _____________________________________________________________ > >>____ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download > >> today it's FREE! > >> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/0 > >>1/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > >Best regards, > >-- > > . 0 . | Daniel Molina Wegener > > . . 0 | dmw at unete dot cl > > 0 0 0 | FreeBSD User > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 00:31:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697EB16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tshadwick@oss-solutions.com) Received: from moogle.hksilver.net (mail.hksilver.net [208.231.66.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0240143CA2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:30:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tshadwick@oss-solutions.com) Received: from [172.16.30.8] (chibi.shadwick.home [172.16.30.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by moogle.hksilver.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBA0Vgr9080334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:31:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tshadwick@oss-solutions.com) Message-ID: <457B556C.4000707@oss-solutions.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:31:40 -0600 From: Tony Shadwick User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5.0.2 (Macintosh/20060310) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dick hoogendijk References: <1165691646.3362.4.camel@arwen> <6.0.0.22.2.20061209145320.024fed40@mail.computinginnovations.com> <1165698490.3362.15.camel@arwen> In-Reply-To: <1165698490.3362.15.camel@arwen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: X server remote login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:31:46 -0000 I have to apologize, as I've never had x11 start automatically for me anyplace. That said, you need to understand that the server/client relationship for X11 is backwards to what you might expect. The display, keyboard, and mouse are at the x-server side, and the machine you connect to is the X-client. On the xserver, if you want it to happen automatically, you would put startx in your .login file. So if you wanted that flag passed, you would place startx -listen_tcp in your .login file. On the client side, you're running an x-client, I presume that gets started from /etc/rc.conf. There's probably something like xorg_enable="YES", and xorg_flags="blah", and you would put it in your xorg_flags statement. dick hoogendijk wrote: > On Sat, 2006-12-09 at 21:54, Derek Ragona wrote: >> By default in FreeBSD X doesn't listen for TCP requests. To change this do: >> startx -listen_tcp > > Thank you. But can this be made "permanent" somewhere? > I guess the tcp port (6000?) should be made inaccessible to the outside > world. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 00:37:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B1216A416 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:37:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dthomas53@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060FA43CA0 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:36:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dthomas53@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so1490005nfc for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:37:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=neMp/PVflV50sIL5zrUpFcTZDwIbtA9RbCw6eUoDaemkLECkKwED0yeimm1rEKTnqL2gI/MbViqv00xSXy0Jaqs7/sbHn+d2woWqjTwJ7dwdkrN/u7SLdF2jRO0+rcMy68CIkTWGr3xNG6gBDYtJbZVKpXvQak7C1XaKZPpUsbo= Received: by 10.78.178.5 with SMTP id a5mr2313554huf.1165711059933; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.156.2 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:37:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:37:39 -0500 From: "David Stanford" To: "Karl Sinn" In-Reply-To: <200612100100.59207.news@budostore.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200612082010.42744.news@budostore.de> <200612092204.53800.news@budostore.de> <200612100100.59207.news@budostore.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Configuration of Grub? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:37:43 -0000 On 12/9/06, Karl Sinn wrote: > > Hi, > > Am Samstag, 9. Dezember 2006 23:19 schrieb David Stanford: > > title FreeBSD > > root (hd1,0,a) > > kernel /boot/loader > > This worked. > > But I have to say, I don't know why. > It is the third harddisk in the system, and it's definitifly the slave on > the > second IDE-port. > > During the installation I had to identify the disk with ad3. > > How can grub mix the harddisks up and set this one to hd1? > Is there any logic behind? Can't definitively explain this one. I'm assuming your first IDE port has a CD/DVD drive and the first disk? The *only* guess I have is that Grub, in fact, does only count existing hard drives and didn't find one of the first two (for whatever reason). Other than that, I got nothing. Anyway, glad you got it working. Anyway I already have the next problem: How to start KDE > But I'll check the Handbook first and start a new thread if I don't > manage. > http://freebsd.kde.org/instructions.php Good luck! -David -- [root@fbsd ~]# fortune Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 00:41:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0519416A47C for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:41:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dthomas53@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DEF43CA7 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:40:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dthomas53@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so1490702nfc for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:41:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LS14bOAoVI4VKwP5Q+ayoBZnrP7103WvRSoYUo+ORfPt//o+AGdBOoaKfYUeTGc4M87nqNC6KxQ7+tB8UeU4UqRmKGr8v4Mz7q+ajQltFCTsZUTmAOh2q3MVKkcn7YzBMotHNhqfAcyahPtmR3xNXcpSk1HllXk5OjqHHHY7y+U= Received: by 10.78.193.19 with SMTP id q19mr2341867huf.1165711286154; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.156.2 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:41:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:41:26 -0500 From: "David Stanford" To: "Garrett Cooper" In-Reply-To: <457B513E.1080506@u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200612082010.42744.news@budostore.de> <200612090958.03581.news@budostore.de> <200612092204.53800.news@budostore.de> <457B417E.9030506@u.washington.edu> <457B513E.1080506@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Configuration of Grub? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:41:34 -0000 > Good question; not sure about that one, since the BIOS may or may not > count the EIDE channels as 0 and 1, and the SATA as 2 and 3. Needless to > say, this little numbering scheme with grub has become confusing, esp > with the introduction of new technology (SATA) >.>. Not sure how > numbering would work with SCSI either (something I should try sometime), > because I don't know how the BIOS numbers drives with SCSI cards or SATA > drives put into the mix. > Another good point. I suppose it's documented somewhere, but who has time to RTFM? :) -David -- [root@fbsd ~]# fortune Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 01:53:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818C616A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:53:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pink_and_blue_the_clouds_above@hotmail.co.uk) Received: from bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C793543CA4 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:52:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pink_and_blue_the_clouds_above@hotmail.co.uk) Received: from BAY124-W21 ([207.46.11.184]) by bay0-omc3-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 9 Dec 2006 17:53:46 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [85.210.229.7] X-Originating-Email: [pink_and_blue_the_clouds_above@hotmail.co.uk] Message-ID: From: Robbie Bykowski To: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:53:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2006 01:53:46.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[07434240:01C71BFE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Printing (Trying) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:53:46 -0000 I have been trying to get my Canon Pixma iP5000 to print on FreeBSD.I used = Apsfilter cause apparently its more user friendly then CUPS. I when through= all the settings and set everything up probably (i hope) as when i did a t= est print it printed, but it came out as an A5 size (is that normal?) on th= e A4. It had everything it should have on the test print so i did the I com= mand, gave it the name lp and then Q command and read what came after.I did= the:lpc restart alland came out with this:lp: no daemon to abort = printing enabled daemon restartedif i do it again it would come= the same as above.I then do lpr command:lpr linux.txtand does nothing.Any = help is thanked in advanced (I've been trying to do this for a long time)al= so with your help, i can get one step futher away from windows :DPink and B= lue=20 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=3D5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-= 4911fb2b2e6d= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 03:19:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA7216A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu (mxout5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4476843CA0 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:18:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout5.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id kBA3JIE2029450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:19:18 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.0.101] (dsl254-013-145.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.13.145]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW06.09) with ESMTP id kBA3JIup009140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: <457B7CB5.40909@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:19:17 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200612082010.42744.news@budostore.de> <200612090958.03581.news@budostore.de> <200612092204.53800.news@budostore.de> <457B417E.9030506@u.washington.edu> <457B513E.1080506@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.2.2.285561, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.0.283055, Antispam-Data: 2006.12.9.190432 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __LINES_OF_YELLING 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Subject: Re: Configuration of Grub? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:19:19 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Stanford wrote: >> Good question; not sure about that one, since the BIOS may or may not >> count the EIDE channels as 0 and 1, and the SATA as 2 and 3. Needless to >> say, this little numbering scheme with grub has become confusing, esp >> with the introduction of new technology (SATA) >.>. Not sure how >> numbering would work with SCSI either (something I should try sometime), >> because I don't know how the BIOS numbers drives with SCSI cards or SATA >> drives put into the mix. >> > > Another good point. I suppose it's documented somewhere, but who has > time to > RTFM? :) > > -David Erm... although I don't mind the examples, the documentation for GRUB seems a bit lacking (manpage yields almost nothing, but there's a bit in "info grub"). Though, specifics like this aren't really explained. - -Garrett -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFe3y16CkrZkzMC68RAjEKAJ0dkl9N9qVxC2uvt1mdGyyhKAFgLQCeIL1o PGwdKfJ8an0hwfgM+dybPZc= =jVLX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 03:31:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B9516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF4943C9E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:30:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBA3VQX5077991; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id kBA3VQKx077988; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:31:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 20:31:26 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Todd McNutt In-Reply-To: <000001c71a5b$5c45e8a0$6500a8c0@McLaptop> Message-ID: <20061209201701.B77842@wonkity.com> References: <000001c71a5b$5c45e8a0$6500a8c0@McLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:31:26 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which one? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:31:29 -0000 On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Todd McNutt wrote: > I am hoping to install BSD on an IBM ThinkPad 600X that I have. It > has not been running the newer Windows and I popped a CD version of > Knoppix in it and it works fantastic. > > It got me thinking... I had used BSD in the past and I would like to > find an OS that I can actually 'install' on the hard drive and just > use the computer strictly as a BSD machine. Do you have a version of > BSD Free that will install and run on this machine? On my PII-233 Thinkpad 600, I've used FreeBSD 5.x and 6.x without problems. Maybe 4.x, too, can't recall. X11 worked fine. I didn't test any suspend or power save functions. You can check the FreeBSD Laptop Compatibility List at: http://gerda.univie.ac.at/freebsd-laptops/ Unfortunately, it seems to have been discovered by link spammers. Still, the original information looks intact. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 03:55:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1D516A412 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:55:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd.devil@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CF543C9F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:54:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsd.devil@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f31so646152pyh for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:55:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gY37wsBSAyYwZR8UJa3qQ1ItTwrjlYyYsHiyjn3UYoCIgN4MWvJo8ZhN3tGuC1vLF9dXi87JqQ1fjeM85MAB1IRSPxgyhY++olojZdcB3XqzQonbT3Oxmri7W6NImIZ/BHKCGQ9Ud2MxlIBL558P9dcaeE4QDsW8APN+OCK6P0c= Received: by 10.64.181.12 with SMTP id d12mr8466969qbf.1165722928930; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.224.17 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:55:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:55:28 -0500 From: "Vishal Patil" To: "perryh@pluto.rain.com" In-Reply-To: <457b2252.FSOx8QPMmmbOnRoI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <457b2252.FSOx8QPMmmbOnRoI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Example network protocol implementation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 03:55:30 -0000 For implementing iSCSI protocol as a kernel driver. On 12/9/06, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > "Vishal Patil" wrote: > > > Could someone point me to an example that shows a SIMPLE network > > protocol implemented over TCP/IP inside the FreeBSD kernel. > > I think I could look at the NFS client driver but is there an > > example simpler than that. > > NFS normally runs over UDP, not TCP. Telnet is one of the simpler > TCP-based applications, but it is not done in the kernel (nor are > most network apps). Is there some particular reason why you need > an example that is implemented inside the kernel, vs in userland? > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 05:10:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E8716A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D7143C9F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:08:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F5AB50872; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:10:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20061210051003.4F5AB50872@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:10:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2006-11-19 - 2006-12-09 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:10:04 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 4-Dec : Putting sshd on a higher port Sometimes port 22 is just not convenient http://freebsddiary.org/ssh-higher-port.php?2 27-Nov : Everything got owned I woke up, and everything was gone http://freebsddiary.org/everything-got-owned.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 05:27:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD3016A40F; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E6343C9F; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:26:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBA5OUw7065670; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:24:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:25:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20061209.222526.-816359937.imp@bsdimp.com> To: bsd.devil@gmail.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:24:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Example network protocol implementation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:27:25 -0000 In message: "Vishal Patil" writes: : Could someone point me to an example that shows a SIMPLE network protocol : implemented over TCP/IP inside the FreeBSD kernel. I think I could look at : the NFS client driver but is there an example simpler than that. Also is : there a guide explaining how to go about developing TCP/IP based network : protocols for FreeBSD. [ to implement iSCSI in the kernel ] I'm unsure which side you wish to be on. There's accept filters that you can write, but I doubt that's what you want to do. This would be good if you are implementing an iSCSI target on FreeBSD, maybe (then again, maybe not). If you want to be an iSCSI initiator (I think that's the right term), then you'll need to do things similar to what sys/nfsclient/nfs_socket.c does. I could do a quick code walkthrough, but you'd likely be better off studying the nfs code since it will give you a better understanding than I can in a few lines. In addition, because locking has changed over time, the exact version matters. Careful study will show differences in what locks are needed, if any. But in a nutshell, you call socreate to get a socket. You setup the various fields in the socket data structures. You call sosetopt to do the latter. sobind will set this host's endpoint, and soconnect will connect the socket to the remote side. You'll need to setup send and receive buffers and manage them with soreceive and sosend. there's some callbacks that also need to be established as well. And some socket layer locking that may be exposed to your code because there are so few in-kernel protocol implementations that aren't peers to TCP, UDP or IP. I hope this helps. Warner From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 05:40:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350FC16A417; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:40:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9015943CA0; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:39:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E107118B480; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:40:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04657-06; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:40:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-79-174.eastlink.ca [24.137.79.174]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD29118B47A; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:36:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36B13E2EA; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:36:48 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:36:48 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-proliant@freebsd.org Subject: BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER over an SSH connection ... what is the sequence? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:40:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I swore I had it saved here somewhere, but can't seem to find it in my mailboxes :( I have an HP Proliant DL360 G4p server (well, a few, actually), that allow for getting a remote console via ssh ... I have DDB/KDB enabled on the server, just like my other 'non-HP' boxes, and need to break into DDB over the SSH session ... Checking the man page for ssh, it seems to indicate that ~B should do it, but it doesn't ... so I'm obviously missing something, but what? This is what happens when I try the ~B after logging into the remcons from my desktop here: login: ~B dispatch_protocol_error: type 100 seq 73 buffer_get_ret: trying to get more bytes 4 than in buffer 0 buffer_get_int: buffer error > As expected, ~? does work, and lists ~B: login: ~? Supported escape sequences: ~. - terminate connection ~B - send a BREAK to the remote system ~C - open a command line ~R - Request rekey (SSH protocol 2 only) ~^Z - suspend ssh ~# - list forwarded connections ~& - background ssh (when waiting for connections to terminate) ~? - this message ~~ - send the escape character by typing it twice (Note that escapes are only recognized immediately after newline.) I've tried CR~B and that makes no difference either ... same 'dispatch_protocol_error' as above :( Help and thanks ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFe5zw4QvfyHIvDvMRAp+QAJ9qG5gE/tR0LbUelpmoWdJyXdqJewCeJ3Dx GP2uVktF1qvJo6mXbb1JlzQ= =AfVV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 06:20:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EBC16A597 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2C143C9E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:19:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so969220uge for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:20:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oB9RQ8Zu461N7igdktsNaq855ZdcImlwPKdH19rJDB3CGDdq9YMgB2TRQg2LRDA2sORDB2AdUFWeESj6bRRes0/PzrC8JH4N1BfqHIj8KchJfJ82D4mwTvk3hIf+ASIUWjKVlvFLk3dD1GEE/33Q8hTMSw6pVKMyxE3cHaLqfyU= Received: by 10.67.97.7 with SMTP id z7mr7881538ugl.1165731637436; Sat, 09 Dec 2006 22:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.27.15 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:20:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <499c70c0612092220p6c603fd5h4d491ed02b8af1fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:20:37 +0300 From: "Abdullah Al-Marrie" To: "Dan Nelson" In-Reply-To: <20061209225506.GD69299@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200612091549.14418.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <20061209225506.GD69299@dan.emsphone.com> Cc: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dns cache on a desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:20:39 -0000 On 12/10/06, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Dec 09), Jonathan Horne said: > > how can i flush the dns cache on my desktop system? google turns up > > plenty on how to do it in linux or osx... but not freebsd. can > > someone clue me in? > > Just bounce named: /etc/rc.d/named restart > > If you are not running named, you have no cache to flush :) > > -- Is there away to cache dns for faster lookup, I don't run named? I use DHCP. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 06:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8311D16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fk@zepher.dyndns.org) Received: from rosy.dyndns.org (softbank220038116012.bbtec.net [220.38.116.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BE6843CA2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:39:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fk@zepher.dyndns.org) Received: (qmail 53535 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 06:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 06:27:57 -0000 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <457b3f3a.e4Sf+YRQsI6sLl6z%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20061210061828K.fk@zepher.dyndns.org> <457b3f3a.e4Sf+YRQsI6sLl6z%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.2 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20061210152756J.fk@zepher.dyndns.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:27:56 +0900 From: FK X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 91 Cc: fk@zepher.dyndns.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I fix "Cannot find file system superblock" problem? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:40:40 -0000 Dear all members, From: perryh@pluto.rain.com Subject: Re: How can I fix "Cannot find file system superblock" problem? Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:56:58 -0800 Message-ID: <457b3f3a.e4Sf+YRQsI6sLl6z%perryh@pluto.rain.com> perryh> > #diff -s sb1 sb2 perryh> > Files sb1 and sb2 are identical perryh> > #diff -s sb1 sb3 perryh> > Files sb1 and sb3 are identical perryh> perryh> It might be worthwhile to check one of these identical "alternates" perryh> against the "real" superblock. (AFAIK only the first 512 bytes, or perryh> less, actually matter.) You might also post a dump of the first 512 perryh> bytes and see if anyone notices anything. Thank you for your reply. Following your suggestions, I tried these. #dd if=/dev/da0s2a skip=0 bs=512 count=16 of=sb0 16+0 records in 16+0 records out 8192 bytes transferred in 0.011918 secs (687360 bytes/sec) #diff -s sb0 sb1 Binary files sb0 and sb1 differ Dump for the master superblock (the first 512 bytes only). #od -x sb0 0000000 d440 10fa 9b10 09e1 9524 7b55 f334 153f 0000020 f190 0b4a 387c 5d46 1b94 14b0 ae10 0b19 0000040 4e3c b446 b870 138f 7190 0ab7 ff52 75e6 0000060 5dac 130e bbf0 0a8a 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000100 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000120 1d12 7b57 1a88 113f d610 0a84 a2be 064f 0000140 7eb8 1226 3290 0a44 9e3c 7b57 f870 0f9e 0000160 cb00 0932 cad0 7b57 1764 13e4 31d0 0ad4 0000200 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 4bfa 7b58 0000220 f54c 1243 41e0 0a4e f1a6 41f0 d97c 13ef 0000240 eb00 0ad7 cd24 7b58 d334 10a3 66d0 09c8 0000260 be3c 6d39 7870 15ab d1b0 0b6f 52be 7b59 0000300 3eb8 0fe3 4600 0973 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000320 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000340 007c 7b5a 3b94 1288 2820 0a65 f890 3fda 0000360 1440 15e3 b780 0b82 81a6 7b5a 197c 10e8 0000400 ed10 09da 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000420 2f66 7b5b 1658 138d ed60 0ab5 0000 0000 0000440 0000 0000 0000 0000 b090 7b5b f440 11ec 0000460 2d70 0a30 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000500 31ba 7b5c d228 104c cff0 09ad 5e4e 7b5c 0000520 f11c 1491 98e0 0b0f ff52 78a4 5dac 11c6 0000540 18f0 0a23 e3e8 7b5c 5ca0 13d1 c3d0 0acd 0000560 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 6512 7b5d 0000600 3a88 1231 d3e0 0a47 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000620 0000 0000 e63c 7b5d 1870 1091 a8d0 09c1 0000640 9abe 514e 5eb8 1471 9230 0b04 0000 0000 0000660 0000 0000 0000 0000 93fa 7b5e 154c 1336 0000700 5920 0a98 2ae4 26ef 9010 14b5 c730 0b1b 0000720 1524 7b5f f334 1195 8930 0a12 41ba 7b5f 0000740 1228 15db daa0 0b7f 9abe 7b5f 5eb8 10d5 0000760 8f10 09d4 c2e4 7b5f f010 143a d4a0 0af1 Dump for one of alternative superblock (the first 512 bytes only). #od -x sb1 0000000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0028 0000 0030 0000 0000020 0038 0000 0bb8 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000040 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0033 0000 0000060 4000 0000 0800 0000 0008 0000 0008 0000 0000100 0000 0000 0000 0000 c000 ffff f800 ffff 0000120 000e 0000 000b 0000 0008 0000 0800 0000 0000140 0003 0000 0002 0000 0800 0000 0000 0000 0000160 0000 0000 0800 0000 0040 0000 0000 0000 0000200 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000220 bf56 444b a5bf c858 0000 0000 0800 0000 0000240 4000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000260 0000 0000 0000 0000 5c00 0000 6f88 0001 0000300 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000320 0100 8000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000340 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 * 0001520 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 4000 0000 Does my superblock have anything wrong? This dump analysis is beyond my tecknical knowledge. So Thanks a lot for your help! -- FK. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 07:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7BC16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talbytech@southernphone.com.au) Received: from relay01.ispone.net.au (relay01.ispone.net.au [124.254.72.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22D143C9D for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:13:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from talbytech@southernphone.com.au) Received: from AlbertNotebk1 (124-254-108-246-dsl.ispone.net.au [124.254.108.246]) by relay01.ispone.net.au (8.13.6/8.13.6/Debian-1) with ESMTP id kBA7EU7r000886 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:14:32 +1100 From: "Albert Boeve" To: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:14:26 +1100 Message-ID: <000001c71c2a$d4ea5680$0600a8c0@AlbertNotebk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Seagate 4GB ATA-CF drive on IDE bus won't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 07:14:38 -0000 I want to install Freebsd 6.2 onto a seagate 4GB compact flash = microdrive. Neither FreeBSD 6.1 or 6.2-RC1 installers seem to detect the ATA-CF card = on the bus; although NetBSD was able to be installed on the drive and works = OK. I have tried installing the drive as ata0 master in two different = machines; both times NetBSD is able to boot off the drive -ie the hardware is = working fine - however the FreeBSD insaller does not detect the drive. Fitting the microdrive in a working FreeBSD machine as ata1 master does = not give any further debug info - no dmesg, sysctl seems to log the = attachment as failing, although it is detected by BIOS as ST64022CF.=20 FreeBSD 6.2-RC1 FreeBSD 6.2-RC1 #0: Thu Nov 16 05:12:08 UTC 2006 root@opus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 # atacontrol list ATA channel 0: Master: ad0 ATA/ATAPI revision 4 Slave: no device present ATA channel 1: Master: no device present Slave: acd0 <201H> ATA/ATAPI revision 0 NetBSD atactl gives: NetBSD 3.0.1 (GENERIC) #0: Thu Jul 13 23:43:47 UTC 2006 # atactl wd0 identify Model: ST64022CF, Rev: 3.02, Serial #: 4NW03XLS Device type: ATAPI, removable Device capabilities: DMA LBA IORDY operation Command set support: NOP command (enabled) READ BUFFER command (enabled) WRITE BUFFER command (enabled) look-ahead (enabled) write cache (enabled) Power Management feature set (enabled) SMART feature set (enabled) FLUSH CACHE command (enabled) Advanced Power Management feature set (enabled) CFA feature set (enabled) Is there a simple fix to make FreeBSD ata recognize the drive?=20 NB there is a simmilar question about using the same card in a pccard adapter, http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2006-March/061937.html= which appears to have been resolved? Thank You Regards, Albert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 08:09:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E492E16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@havoc.unixathome.org) Received: from havoc.unixathome.org (havoc.unixathome.org [66.154.98.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1573C43CAD for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:08:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@havoc.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C545644E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from havoc.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (havoc.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wGN1dBAMeZSk for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by havoc.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CB26756441; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20061210081001.CB26756441@havoc.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2006-11-19 - 2006-12-09 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:09:56 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 08:16:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC53916A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from coolzone@io.dk) Received: from user7.cybercity.dk (user7.cybercity.dk [212.242.41.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3178D43C9D for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:15:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from coolzone@io.dk) Received: from webmail.cybercity.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by user7.cybercity.dk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kBA8GDQB065630 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:16:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from coolzone@io.dk) From: coolzone@io.dk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:16:13 +0100 Message-Id: <20061210081328.M56376@email.dk> X-Mailer: Cybercity Webmail 2.21 20031110 X-OriginatingIP: 85.233.230.48 (ida4327@vip.cybercity.dk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Getting KD_GRAPHICS failed after upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:16:15 -0000 Hi Yesterday I upgraded my packages via "portupgrade -aRP", I had run "pkgdb -F" and found no problems. After upgrading I switched of my computer. When I started it today and tried to run X I got this error: Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed Does anyone know what this means and what the solution might be? Best regards. Rico. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 08:47:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776A516A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from and3co@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94DC43CA0 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:45:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from and3co@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1153282wxc for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:47:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=jnyqX2mh9DR4KcOGQ/HV/D3us5v27F70bkKhKyh8RNKtCHjxO7xsurmWI5fw39+PGPzkJA78WmMWEwNNv1gdmTW3fDUNo7Hke9tSgVDvzz/E1yOoN7MLqAGdxv+JwOpQj5lFR2/7WwPGIHyUicuMlP1RkfYGQQo31toEpUe1R40= Received: by 10.70.47.19 with SMTP id u19mr9761445wxu.1165740424139; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.95.17 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 00:47:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <155cea990612100047l40a0f181m3d81d20da89183fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:47:04 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andrik=F3_Tam=E1s?=" Sender: and3co@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1bc3ad979a26bf64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: packet processing order X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:47:05 -0000 Hi list, I wanted to set up a IPSec VPN Tunnel on one of my FreeBSD box. I'm using pf for accomplish firewall. To implement almost the whole task of VPN wasn't a big deal, but I get some trouble adjusting pf.conf. I think I don't understand exactly how the network packet are processed, especially the order of processing of packets. Somehow the tunneled packets don't even get into the gif interface from my local lan. My guess is the following: the packet enter one of the interfaces => apply the incoming pf rules on the appropriate interface (last match win) nat-ing, redirect-ing the packets => apply rdr and nat rules (first match win) routing the packet (ip.forward=1) => if the packet destination cannot be routed drop or dest unreachable putting out the packet (based on routing decision) => apply the outgoing rules on the appropriate interface(last match win) Please correct me if I wrong, and if you could point me to a good tutorial that would be best. (other than http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/) Thanks for your help Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 09:19:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF2E16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [213.192.74.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA59C43C9D for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:18:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBA9J71w099852 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:19:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id kBA9J6L1099849 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:19:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:19:05 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061210101712.L99842@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: strange server reboots X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:19:13 -0000 every 2-3 weeks i got server reboot. no panic no errors just reboot. server are connected to UPS it's not power problem, and ALWAYS the same after effect is comming - squid's swap.state files are wrong (possibly emply), squid "sees" empty cache after that reboot. i have to rm swap.state* and rerun squid and wait quite a bit time until it rebuild database. any idea? FreeBSD 6.2-RC1/amd64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 09:27:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B9F16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [213.192.74.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E931C43CA1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:26:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBA9Rage000701 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:27:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id kBA9RarC000697 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:27:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:27:36 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061210102636.Y632@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: OOPS www proxy X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:27:41 -0000 is anybody using it with success. for me it works. and works really fast, much faster than squid but after maybe 8-12 hours it crashes. is it buggy or i'm doing something wrong? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 09:33:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3020A16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [213.192.74.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A4E43CA2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:32:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id kBA9XgIa001200 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:33:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by chylonia.3miasto.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id kBA9XfPT001195 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:33:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:33:41 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061210103239.M1117@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: can it be a reason X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:33:47 -0000 of server reboots? tunefs: ACLs: (-a) disabled tunefs: MAC multilabel: (-l) disabled tunefs: soft updates: (-n) enabled tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 512 tunefs: average file size: (-f) 16384 tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s) 64 tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 0% ^^^^^^ tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) space tunefs: volume label: (-L) i used -m 0 willingly, because it's squid storage and i control the space used in squid config so it's actually 8-10% free all the time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 09:34:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023E616A492 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:34:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjuanino@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C8643C9F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:33:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jjuanino@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so978333uge for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:34:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-operating-system:user-agent; b=ETu6/J2DtBV7Qb9nKGidxoxqHct/NhbVgBVrw4UcDXvLVIO6yUUjFzrTmkvtKngPWW3ymc1lqtgpAk18wgp+MCTyYebQTHoGKcfVeF/9zsxEexU4aHUQhXeSeY/p2h9hW7rwKa1wi4UZY7Q6HT7mfQlxSA82GQidpsj5iavYj38= Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr1766780ugm.1165743253646; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:34:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from gauss.sanabria.es ( [84.77.80.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i39sm5533277ugd.2006.12.10.01.34.13; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:34:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by gauss.sanabria.es (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B6B064046; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:34:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:34:10 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_G=2E?= Juanino To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061210093410.GA6202@gauss.sanabria.es> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20061210081328.M56376@email.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061210081328.M56376@email.dk> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gauss.sanabria.es 6.1-RELEASE-p10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: Getting KD_GRAPHICS failed after upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:34:16 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El domingo 10 de diciembre a las 09:16:13 CET, coolzone@io.dk escribi=F3: > Hi >=20 > Yesterday I upgraded my packages via "portupgrade -aRP", I had run "pkgdb= -F"=20 > and found no problems. >=20 > After upgrading I switched of my computer.=20 >=20 > When I started it today and tried to run X I got this error: >=20 > Fatal server error: >=20 > xf86OpenConsole: KDSETMODE KD_GRAPHICS failed It seems to be you are building x11-servers/xorg-server-snap port with=20 NO_SUID_XSERVER=3DYES. Check if /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg is suid root. I hope this help Regards --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFe9SSFOo0zaS9RnIRAvNrAKCAOOFTo894ByCw94ztEOno5zc8LQCdFVSW PaSEKHfwHacpekCNxQF2Y2M= =xyTF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 09:47:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB21A16A47B for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from nagual.nl (cc20684-a.assen1.dr.home.nl [82.74.10.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C939C43C9D for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:46:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dick@nagual.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1000) by nagual.nl with local; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:47:40 +0100 id 00039835.457BD7BC.0000B9CC Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:47:40 +0100 To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <20061210094740.GA47520@lothlorien.nagual.nl> References: <1165691646.3362.4.camel@arwen> <6.0.0.22.2.20061209145320.024fed40@mail.computinginnovations.com> <1165698490.3362.15.camel@arwen> <457B556C.4000707@oss-solutions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <457B556C.4000707@oss-solutions.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i From: dick hoogendijk Subject: Re: X server remote login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:47:42 -0000 On 09 Dec Tony Shadwick wrote: > On the xserver, if you want it to happen automatically, you would put > startx in your .login file. So if you wanted that flag passed, you > would place startx -listen_tcp in your .login file. > > On the client side, you're running an x-client, I presume that gets > started from /etc/rc.conf. There's probably something like > xorg_enable="YES", and xorg_flags="blah", and you would put it in your > xorg_flags statement. Xserver/Xclient side is still a bit confusing to me. What happens is, when I logon to a solaris machine I get a login screen on which I also can logon to remote machines graphicaly. I can even chose from a list there, because these remote machines broadcast themselves? All solaris machines are seen; my FreeBSD machines are not. The latter I want changed, so I can chose to logon to a FreeBSD (remote) machine from my solaris desktop machine. Hope this will clear things up a bit. -- http://nagual.nl/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 6.1 ++ Solaris 10 6/06 ++ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 10:40:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7478116A4C8 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC9443CB3 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:38:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-29-241.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.29.241]:65172 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GtM6E-00074v-8k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:40:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 14482 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 11:40:02 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 11:40:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 6454 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Dec 2006 11:40:02 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:40:02 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: dick hoogendijk Message-ID: <20061210104001.GA6304@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: dick hoogendijk , freebsd-questions References: <1165691646.3362.4.camel@arwen> <6.0.0.22.2.20061209145320.024fed40@mail.computinginnovations.com> <1165698490.3362.15.camel@arwen> <457B556C.4000707@oss-solutions.com> <20061210094740.GA47520@lothlorien.nagual.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061210094740.GA47520@lothlorien.nagual.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1GtM6E-00074v-8k. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1GtM6E-00074v-8k c5c31991b7e96a25883fc4a2c64ef95d Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: X server remote login X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:40:11 -0000 On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 10:47:40AM +0100, dick hoogendijk wrote: > On 09 Dec Tony Shadwick wrote: > > On the xserver, if you want it to happen automatically, you would put > > startx in your .login file. So if you wanted that flag passed, you > > would place startx -listen_tcp in your .login file. > > > > On the client side, you're running an x-client, I presume that gets > > started from /etc/rc.conf. There's probably something like > > xorg_enable="YES", and xorg_flags="blah", and you would put it in your > > xorg_flags statement. > > Xserver/Xclient side is still a bit confusing to me. It usually is a bit confusing since the Xserver/Xclient terminology is almost backwards from how server/client is usually used. An Xserver is the part that has a display and a keyboard. An Xclient is a program that connects to the Xserver to display pictures. > What happens is, when I logon to a solaris machine I get a login screen > on which I also can logon to remote machines graphicaly. I can even chose > from a list there, because these remote machines broadcast themselves? > All solaris machines are seen; my FreeBSD machines are not. The latter I > want changed, so I can chose to logon to a FreeBSD (remote) machine from > my solaris desktop machine. Hope this will clear things up a bit. It is quite clear what you want (except possibly to those people who have never seen such a setup before and don't even know it is possible). I have never set up such a system myself, but I think all the information you need can be found in the xdm(1) manpage. (The config files for xdm can be found under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 11:28:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4770016A40F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weiwu@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from bossdog.realss.com (bossdog.realss.com [211.157.108.128]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D56743CA8 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:27:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from weiwu@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bossdog.realss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29481C012C for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:28:36 +0800 (CST) Received: from bossdog.realss.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bossdog.realss.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17360-10 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:28:35 +0800 (CST) Received: from [218.193.55.195] (unknown [59.57.233.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bossdog.realss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D3C1C0070 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:28:33 +0800 (CST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E5=BC=A0=E9=9F=A1=E6=AD=A6?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:28:19 +0800 Message-Id: <1165750099.6316.18.camel@joe.realss.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bossdog.realss.com Subject: turn of a mintor that doesn't support DPMS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:28:15 -0000 Hello. Recently my monitor of the FreeBSD host is broken that it ignore power management. E.g. if the monitor should be powered-off on 15 minute of inactive, it does not power-off, but simply show blank screen. Also the power button on the screen have no effect (press this button, screen still on). This is also tested with Linux. The DPMS feature should have been broken. However it turns out a KVM switch can effectively turn off this monitor, if I switch to a console (KVM pair) that connect to no computer, the monitor turns off. Is there a software-solution to turn off the Monitor when its DPMS not working? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 12:57:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA6F16A416 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:57:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix.schalck@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B88F43C9E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:56:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from felix.schalck@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Dec 2006 12:57:10 -0000 Received: from AStrasbourg-251-1-21-238.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr (EHLO [192.168.1.10]) [82.126.211.238] by mail.gmx.net (mp046) with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 13:57:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23426003 Message-ID: <457C0422.7080609@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:57:06 +0100 From: "felix.schalck" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061126) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Freebsd dbus / hal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:57:13 -0000 Hi, Does someone know a good how-to to set up dbus and hal under freebsd ? Im trying to run gnome 2.16 , and it always claims not finding the dbus-socket to connect to... Thanks in advance, Felix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 13:13:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D717E16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:13:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjuanino@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7EA43C9D for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:12:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jjuanino@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so1615838nfc for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:13:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-operating-system:user-agent; b=nIH7GQ91JHZe6DV6JkuWShIYXsSFidabuI4pAEPkUZ5/sFEa/zmlBQ+WAG62OXxcCqkR6gCp2Pl/lb8N8DAhh9AvxmsmIgRBWR0nEtTdDB5HEmnjxRQh5nfKprvM+6Af0pATKbXaChXXuLL+m/9ntZbxrm0k+exC6jTzMZtiy1I= Received: by 10.78.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr1070184huf.1165756406539; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gauss.sanabria.es ( [84.77.80.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 11sm1625102hug.2006.12.10.05.13.26; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by gauss.sanabria.es (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1D8404055; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:13:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:13:22 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_G=2E?= Juanino To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061210131322.GA33464@gauss.sanabria.es> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <457C0422.7080609@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <457C0422.7080609@gmx.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gauss.sanabria.es 6.1-RELEASE-p10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: Freebsd dbus / hal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:13:28 -0000 --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El domingo 10 de diciembre a las 13:57:06 CET, felix.schalck escribi=F3: > Hi, >=20 > Does someone know a good how-to to set up dbus and hal under freebsd ? > Im trying to run gnome 2.16 , and it always claims not finding the=20 > dbus-socket to connect to... Add the following in the .xinitrc file: eval `dbus-launch` export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID Regards --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFfAfyFOo0zaS9RnIRAitOAJ9dMegqniwu+PW+Q6vN/5ajfOJTxgCgsOk+ WwXO2Ub7LFz1tBoHoKFP1gI= =RL4t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 13:14:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DAF16A415 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7EC43CB0 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:12:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.localdomain (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A275193C for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:14:05 -0500 (EST) From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:14:01 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200612082010.42744.news@budostore.de> <200612092204.53800.news@budostore.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612101314.01945.fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com> Subject: Re: Configuration of Grub? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:14:10 -0000 On Saturday 09 December 2006 22:19, David Stanford wrote: > title FreeBSD > root (hd1,0,a) > kernel /boot/loader > > Right now Linux can not read the FreeBSD disk. Does FreeBSD have its own > > > filesystem? > > Yes, by default FreeBSD uses UFS2. There is almost certainly a third party > app out there that will allow you to read UFS2 from Linux if this is what > you want to do at some point. You can also check 'man mount' under SUSE to > see if there is built-in support for mounting UFS2 filesystems (though this > is probably a long shot). > > Ans if it has its own filesystem how can grub read the /boot/loader in > > > there? > > SUSE may not be able to read it, but remember that Grub is independent (so > to speak) from Linux and has support for booting *BSD OS's. I'm curious as to why people care about UFS support, since chainloading works just fine without filesystem support. Is there a good reason for prefering "kernel /boot/loader" over chainloading on FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 13:16:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF6F16A47E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF0143CA4 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:15:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gerard@seibercom.net) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1186999wxc for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.72.10 with SMTP id u10mr5908805aga.1165756605072; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ( [67.189.184.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 8sm4669497agd.2006.12.10.05.16.44; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:16:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D28B8FB; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (boss.seibercom.net [192.168.0.4]) (Authenticated sender: gerard@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92771B84A; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:16:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:16:46 -0500 From: Gerard Seibert To: User Questions Organization: Seibercom.NET In-Reply-To: <499c70c0612092220p6c603fd5h4d491ed02b8af1fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061209225506.GD69299@dan.emsphone.com> <499c70c0612092220p6c603fd5h4d491ed02b8af1fa@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Message-Id: <20061210081620.0A44.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.29 [en] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: dns cache on a desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: User Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:16:52 -0000 On Sunday December 10, 2006 at 01:20:37 (AM) Abdullah Al-Marrie wrote: > On 12/10/06, Dan Nelson wrote: > > In the last episode (Dec 09), Jonathan Horne said: > > > how can i flush the dns cache on my desktop system? google turns up > > > plenty on how to do it in linux or osx... but not freebsd. can > > > someone clue me in? > > > > Just bounce named: /etc/rc.d/named restart > > > > If you are not running named, you have no cache to flush :) > > > > -- > > Is there away to cache dns for faster lookup, I don't run named? I use DHCP. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-dns.html -- Gerard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 13:24:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B152416A4D2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjuanino@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC1743D88 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:22:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jjuanino@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so1617912nfc for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:23:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-operating-system:user-agent; b=iqga+TjheMTuc1zKYeejgdjerlhQVGYRYtwLpPF9OtKKIxYkwivXREoTiSpGFjVMr/oeJ7+sHDhjp/Cp8RrJl+R+jhoNWb/VLPsPt1uDyz8o4GZ6baSrL7BcFkp3l7whz0M+iYidsy99HdtEMpWaDYZTe0xNLQppdKdiYGcCRWI= Received: by 10.78.97.7 with SMTP id u7mr804010hub.1165757013239; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from gauss.sanabria.es ( [84.77.80.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18sm1633293hue.2006.12.10.05.23.32; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by gauss.sanabria.es (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A54104055; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:23:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:23:30 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_G=2E?= Juanino To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061210132330.GB33464@gauss.sanabria.es> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <457C0422.7080609@gmx.net> <20061210131322.GA33464@gauss.sanabria.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061210131322.GA33464@gauss.sanabria.es> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gauss.sanabria.es 6.1-RELEASE-p10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Subject: Re: Freebsd dbus / hal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:24:17 -0000 --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El domingo 10 de diciembre a las 14:13:22 CET, Jos=E9 G. Juanino escribi=F3: > El domingo 10 de diciembre a las 13:57:06 CET, felix.schalck escribi=F3: > > Hi, > >=20 > > Does someone know a good how-to to set up dbus and hal under freebsd ? > > Im trying to run gnome 2.16 , and it always claims not finding the=20 > > dbus-socket to connect to... >=20 > Add the following in the .xinitrc file: >=20 > eval `dbus-launch` > export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID I forget that is also necessary start dbus-daemon. The best way is in rc.conf: dbus_enable=3D"YES" --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFfApSFOo0zaS9RnIRApAJAJwJ1mU6IwG6PAba5DchrRkZntgSPwCfYhGb oN06BbXjXt39mVVyw4/gH+A= =0dbO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cvVnyQ+4j833TQvp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 13:39:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7DC16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 614BC43C9E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:38:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6214 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2006 13:39:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20061210133927.6212.qmail@web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZXzmBq2JOI0jZ2at8csv1oMIA4p9vszN5Ik+9UzOOuFNRKZeyXRCSkeqJGGe72j3Mdv79rZ2W9pGWzvTedVQEL46P0yWxvEMgtTe+q8tAvULTmgEYJgKeaXzfsA38Oim5iyaaNS6fqfUEgOkItDklf3aoa1SCXE8syKYxFn0V4M=; X-YMail-OSG: yunHdtUVM1nGHZyutv59przAKIeFiMkrqO5p2GZ2AIZY4DuD0N7Kxp7KBjiyjz.OCg-- Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:39:27 PST Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Atomic Update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:39:28 -0000 I am not sure what the correct procedure is to do an atomic update. Scenario: 1) Download database-1. This database is going to replace an identically named database. Since I cannot shut down the program that is using this database, what would be the best way to insert the new database. I was thinking that I could use the 'mv' command as opposed to 'cp', but I am not sure. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 13:48:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D4516A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@budostore.de) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (mo-p00-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE13143C9E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:47:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from news@budostore.de) Received: from nor75-5-82-235-173-77.fbx.proxad.net (nor75-5-82-235-173-77.fbx.proxad.net [82.235.173.77]) by post.webmailer.de (mrclete mo59) (RZmta 3.8) with ESMTP id iBABM5Cv00ca0K for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:48:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:48:22 +0100 (MET) From: Karl Sinn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200612082010.42744.news@budostore.de> <200612101314.01945.fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <200612101314.01945.fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612101440.42667.news@budostore.de> X-RZG-AUTH: ibDpgOm8RLcSc5zBxTj4 Subject: Re: Configuration of Grub? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:48:25 -0000 Hi, Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2006 14:14 schrieb RW: > > SUSE may not be able to read it, but remember that Grub is independent > > (so to speak) from Linux and has support for booting *BSD OS's. > > I'm curious as to why people care about UFS support, since chainloading > works just fine without filesystem support. > > Is there a good reason for prefering "kernel /boot/loader" over > chainloading on FreeBSD? I'm curious :-) Can you send me the settings that you use to start FreeBSD with grub and chainloading? Thanks Karl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 13:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BFB16A417 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: from web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08AD843CA5 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:49:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pigskin_referee@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45713 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2006 13:50:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tGcp6EpjZXAA7L0lQ0Xh9rkTLAJKXiH0D0bbarFpoP1r1XYROvrWLR2wXehKHoANRqTTlHaBI3JVcreh5Pt3QHu7jK5FuFR+T7Fjsbh2GjKFIQEkAWRvtlbyzUmor4wKL/5htkfv2yJX/CXuGgd80BaAkaJ9346Tuavq/3daa/g=; X-YMail-OSG: .jh4vAkVM1mf_lUVixwomMOkQ7eM0wpcdZd6qmhV5qh8EQ3dDBor_W99L8O4GVbmKw-- Received: from [67.189.184.224] by web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:50:53 PST Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:50:53 -0800 (PST) From: White Hat To: FreeBSD Users Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <662775.45135.qm@web34412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Forcing use of Bison-2.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:50:55 -0000 FreeBSD-6.1 I am experiencing an ongoing problem with 'Bison'. I have several programs on my PC that require the newer version - Bison-2.3; however, there are also some programs present that require the older version. Both versions cannot coexist on the same machine apparently. When doing an update, using either portmanager or portupgrade, it seems that first one version has to be deinstalled and the other version installed to allow programs that depend on them to be updated. Then as the update progresses, the reverse happens. Is there anyway I can force any program that depends on 'Bison' to use the newer version? I have tried checking out the Makefile for some of the affected programs, but it is just not something I understand well enough to accomplish. -- White Hat pigskin_referee@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 15:05:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A706016A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:05:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E26A43C9E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:04:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421932059D2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:05:38 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7X+8MSv+nAOb for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:05:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f01:224:1::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A83205873 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:05:32 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:05:25 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 X-Face: &'; cS03F?rr_w2Qce.d2f7xmwXfcJWDs>}CkpDw.c]ZJJ_)i0Nx Subject: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:05:39 -0000 --nextPart2705311.rVld7I0z8H Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Are there any real advantages to building a kernel stripped of unused drive= rs,=20 especially when running it on a fairly large machine? For years, I've been= =20 dutifully removing device drivers (or more recently, including GENERIC and= =20 using 'nodevice') for everything I don't have. But does this actually do=20 anything useful, or am I just tilting at windmills? I know the definitive answer would be to run benchmarks both ways, but I do= n't=20 really have the option of pulling down a production machine just for this. =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart2705311.rVld7I0z8H Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFfCI65sRg+Y0CpvERAi1kAJ40MfLx8/Tem73FhVeJL0dw6z3owgCbB9Rs 5CRWMx7NB+ZuehQz9XP3MyM= =sIF6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2705311.rVld7I0z8H-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 15:18:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C8016A47C for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED3443CB5 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:16:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) Received: from [66.47.111.183] (helo=joeandlane.com) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GtQQf-0005If-TC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:17:26 -0500 Received: from joeandlane.com (localhost.localnet.local [127.0.0.1]) by joeandlane.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBAFK04q032221 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:20:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by joeandlane.com (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id kBAFJx4T032217 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:19:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) X-Authentication-Warning: joeandlane.com: lholcombe set sender to lane@joeandlane.com using -f From: Lane To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:19:59 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> In-Reply-To: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612100919.59564.lane@joeandlane.com> X-CD-SOLUTIONS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CD-SOLUTIONS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CD-SOLUTIONS-MailScanner-From: lane@joeandlane.com X-ELNK-Trace: e56a4b6ca9bdfda11aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7956caaa8452361adc80ded3a206c5cad3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.47.111.183 Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:18:04 -0000 On Sunday 10 December 2006 09:05, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Are there any real advantages to building a kernel stripped of unused > drivers, especially when running it on a fairly large machine? For years, > I've been dutifully removing device drivers (or more recently, including > GENERIC and using 'nodevice') for everything I don't have. But does this > actually do anything useful, or am I just tilting at windmills? > > I know the definitive answer would be to run benchmarks both ways, but I > don't really have the option of pulling down a production machine just for > this. Kirk, I don't expect there is only one answer to your question. The issue is broader, I think, than just the relative speed and performance improvements achieved by running a lean kernel. You say that you can't afford to take a production machine down, but consider this: What if you trimmed all of the "fat" from the kernel on a server, and then the server's nic goes bad. Suppose that as a stop-gap measure you pull an old isa nic from out of the closet, install it, and then boot the server ... only to realize that your nic is not supported by the kernel that you dutifully trimmed. I think it is especially important to keep the kernel as flexible as possible, since you may have to install the OS on any given machine without the luxury of recompiling. Just my .02 lane From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 15:42:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AB216A412 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA4243C9F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:40:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB75D2059D2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:41:58 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f57tMqNCvTkc for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:41:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f01:224:1::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6348D205873 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:41:55 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:41:52 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> <200612100919.59564.lane@joeandlane.com> In-Reply-To: <200612100919.59564.lane@joeandlane.com> X-Face: &'; cS03F?rr_w2Qce.d2f7xmwXfcJWDs>}CkpDw.c]ZJJ_)i0Nx Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:42:00 -0000 --nextPart1275689.KVHPcnRoGT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 10 December 2006 09:19, Lane wrote: > You say that you can't afford to take a production machine down, but > consider this: What if you trimmed all of the "fat" from the kernel on a > server, and then the server's nic goes bad. Well, that's an example of the kind of thing that makes me not want to hack= =20 GENERIC too much. Also, accidentally removing some critical driver is=20 another drawback. So, with all the disadvantages, are there any real=20 advantages to doing this? Saving half a meg of memory on a four gig machin= e=20 isn't worth the aggravation. Squeezing an extra 10% performance out of the= =20 same hardware would be, though. =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart1275689.KVHPcnRoGT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBFfCrB5sRg+Y0CpvERAnUDAKCEnMA3/L0BW2w+rozkfeV58x/7eACeNeSe Ynl194RGiWaWxpWQ0tD6s0U= =s3SZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1275689.KVHPcnRoGT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 15:50:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8877016A47B for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:50:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305E943CA3 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:49:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-29-241.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.29.241]:50027 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GtQwZ-0003rt-7s for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:50:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 16273 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 16:50:22 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 16:50:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 28762 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Dec 2006 16:50:22 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:50:22 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Kirk Strauser Message-ID: <20061210155022.GA28750@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Kirk Strauser , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1GtQwZ-0003rt-7s. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1GtQwZ-0003rt-7s a4573f54f34634c0390c86922cae180d Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:50:25 -0000 On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 09:05:25AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Are there any real advantages to building a kernel stripped of unused drivers, > especially when running it on a fairly large machine? For years, I've been > dutifully removing device drivers (or more recently, including GENERIC and > using 'nodevice') for everything I don't have. But does this actually do > anything useful, or am I just tilting at windmills? It will save a little bit of memory and diskspace and the machine will probably boot slightly faster since it will not need to probe for non-existing devices, but other than that I doubt it will make any difference at all. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 15:53:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C7016A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:53:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB77C43CB5 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:52:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-29-241.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.29.241]:58729 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GtQzZ-00027C-3Z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:53:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 16280 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2006 16:53:28 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 16:53:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 28773 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Dec 2006 16:53:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:53:28 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Lane Message-ID: <20061210155328.GB28750@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Lane , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> <200612100919.59564.lane@joeandlane.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200612100919.59564.lane@joeandlane.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1GtQzZ-00027C-3Z. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1GtQzZ-00027C-3Z 5eee2330d0568432bb79968c3ea3cdc4 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:53:37 -0000 On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 09:19:59AM -0600, Lane wrote: > On Sunday 10 December 2006 09:05, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > Are there any real advantages to building a kernel stripped of unused > > drivers, especially when running it on a fairly large machine? For years, > > I've been dutifully removing device drivers (or more recently, including > > GENERIC and using 'nodevice') for everything I don't have. But does this > > actually do anything useful, or am I just tilting at windmills? > > > > I know the definitive answer would be to run benchmarks both ways, but I > > don't really have the option of pulling down a production machine just for > > this. > Kirk, > > I don't expect there is only one answer to your question. The issue is > broader, I think, than just the relative speed and performance improvements > achieved by running a lean kernel. > > You say that you can't afford to take a production machine down, but consider > this: What if you trimmed all of the "fat" from the kernel on a server, and > then the server's nic goes bad. Suppose that as a stop-gap measure you pull > an old isa nic from out of the closet, install it, and then boot the > server ... only to realize that your nic is not supported by the kernel that > you dutifully trimmed. In which case it is a good thing that most drivers are available as modules so that you can load them even if the driver is not included in the kernel. > > I think it is especially important to keep the kernel as flexible as possible, > since you may have to install the OS on any given machine without the luxury > of recompiling. > -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 15:56:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FFA16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from regulus.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BF143CB2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:55:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by regulus.dfwlp.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kBAFuCU4004128 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:56:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:56:12 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> <200612100919.59564.lane@joeandlane.com> In-Reply-To: <200612100919.59564.lane@joeandlane.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200612100956.12327.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on regulus.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:56:15 -0000 On Sunday 10 December 2006 09:19, Lane wrote: > Suppose that as a stop-gap measure you pull > an old isa nic from out of the closet, install it, and then boot the > server ... only to realize that your nic is not supported by the kernel > that you dutifully trimmed. > > I think it is especially important to keep the kernel as flexible as > possible, since you may have to install the OS on any given machine without > the luxury of recompiling. lane, i think thats a really good way to look at it. flexibility can truly be a key of utmost importance when it comes to disaster recovery. cheers, jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 16:14:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E4616A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:14:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stevan-tiefert@t-online.de) Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9F043C9E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:13:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stevan-tiefert@t-online.de) Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1GtRJd-0004yk-07; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:14:13 +0100 Received: from localhost (rIXDHBZCgedwy1Le5uTELtVSR51flIdS1QtAqTamAqj5EIa6hxA084@[172.20.101.250]) by fwd30.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1GtRJY-0hjbH60; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:14:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:14:08 +0100 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-UMS: email X-Mailer: TOI Kommunikationscenter V7-5-3 From: "stevan-tiefert@t-online.de" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1GtRJY-0hjbH60@fwd30.aul.t-online.de> X-ID: rIXDHBZCgedwy1Le5uTELtVSR51flIdS1QtAqTamAqj5EIa6hxA084@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 013350dc-7006-4905-9e8b-3d0bc402b428 Subject: Download FreeBSD 6.1 via bittorrent X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:14:15 -0000 Hello, does somebody knows when the download via torrent is available again? With regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 16:24:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60CD16A403 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from holtor@yahoo.com) Received: from web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DA5143C9E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:23:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from holtor@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80430 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2006 16:24:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JkwGRR7sjMG/rRYFZ8eI9ZozQioWaXlqAy1TF9+3A8Do+N6A9X0z5V9+3+renmbjB6JKSKjs28aDY88NOZC070ZtIbJl3lOVLo1Ki2vfGqOoIx4wpBAPGsgLSiYnv8PD+RtzxPFQmX3VoZ9sQdTM6OOKhG0mN5SL3cIA9rv28k4=; X-YMail-OSG: 72SQ_bMVM1mpGWyEPo18JaMfMVG9B2oQfKn4IrW6SncfWFmllx.zjf0CcfKb.D_OVITw.8NOrsqHkFaeett_F2yGpIUMS0nFhJBTHkuCc4IUQXg_uKwIBi2f8DkXLrNKV0UpWLocoBfx02w- Received: from [68.197.167.249] by web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:24:25 PST Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 08:24:25 -0800 (PST) From: Holtor To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <6171.80404.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: kern.ipc.nsfbufs Max Value? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:24:26 -0000 I have an extremely busy web server here serving mostly static html pages and images using apache 2.2.3 with sendfile enabled. It's a Dual Xeon server with 4 GB RAM and I've tweaked many sysctl variables to help the system chug along. At peak, apache is running nearly 1,500 child processes. To my question, what is the max value of kern.ipc.nsfbufs and does it depend on any other values? I had originally increased it to 32768 however sfbufs got maxed out slowing the server. Then I increased it to 65536 and currently have these results: 45348/48844/65536 sfbufs in use (current/peak/max) To me that's too close for comfort so I further tried to increase it to 131072 however with that setting the system would not boot. The kernel page faulted with an error in the swapper process until I decreased kern.ipc.nsfbufs back to 65536. Is there anyway to increase this value even higher? The server has nearly 2.5 GB of free ram out of the 4 GB installed and the load averages are very low 0.07, 0.15, 0.34 so hopefully it's possible to tweak this some more. Any ideas? Thank You, Holt G. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 16:59:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1953F16A412 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:59:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8743B43C9D for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:58:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wmoran@collaborativefusion.com) Received: from working (c-71-60-174-60.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.60.174.60]) (AUTH: LOGIN wmoran, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:59:32 -0500 id 00056403.457C3CF4.0000E62E Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:59:31 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Kirk Strauser Message-Id: <20061210115931.3c176bd7.wmoran@collaborativefusion.com> In-Reply-To: <200612100941.53860.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> <200612100919.59564.lane@joeandlane.com> <200612100941.53860.kirk@strauser.com> Organization: Collaborative Fusion Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.10 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:59:34 -0000 Kirk Strauser wrote: > > On Sunday 10 December 2006 09:19, Lane wrote: > > > You say that you can't afford to take a production machine down, but > > consider this: What if you trimmed all of the "fat" from the kernel on a > > server, and then the server's nic goes bad. > > Well, that's an example of the kind of thing that makes me not want to hack > GENERIC too much. Also, accidentally removing some critical driver is > another drawback. So, with all the disadvantages, are there any real > advantages to doing this? Saving half a meg of memory on a four gig machine > isn't worth the aggravation. Squeezing an extra 10% performance out of the > same hardware would be, though. It's interesting that I've never seen any performance tests regarding this sort of thing. Theoretically, the kernel should be faster with less stuff in it, but whether that theory bears out in practice, and whether it's enough to make it worthwhile -- I don't know. The tough thing would be effectively testing it. It's quite possible that only certain functions of the kernel would speed up, in which case, it could be difficult to determine whether there's any gain or not. Additionally, different drivers might provide different advantages/ disadvantages from being loaded/unloaded. I.e., compiling without a particular SCSI adapter might provide a benefit, while compiling without a particular NIC driver might do nothing. One has to wonder whether it's even worth going to all the work to quantify it? I mean, take the following in to account: 1) Recompiling a kernel in FreeBSD is damn easy. 2) Loading a driver from a kld if you forget it is easy. 3) Most (all?) settings that are set at kernel compile time can be adjusted via sysctl without recompiling. 4) There's obviously no _huge_ benefit to building a custom kernel, or someone would have made mention of it. -Bill From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 17:18:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EA116A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961B743CA5 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:17:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from [192.168.214.215] (cpe-76-184-133-124.tx.res.rr.com[76.184.133.124]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2006121017181501100pmidqe>; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:18:16 +0000 Message-ID: <457C4156.8010309@computer.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:18:14 -0600 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061111) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Strauser , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> <20061210155022.GA28750@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20061210155022.GA28750@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:18:17 -0000 On 12/10/06 09:50, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 09:05:25AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: >> Are there any real advantages to building a kernel stripped of unused drivers, >> especially when running it on a fairly large machine? For years, I've been >> dutifully removing device drivers (or more recently, including GENERIC and >> using 'nodevice') for everything I don't have. But does this actually do >> anything useful, or am I just tilting at windmills? > > It will save a little bit of memory and diskspace and the machine will > probably boot slightly faster since it will not need to probe for > non-existing devices, but other than that I doubt it will make any > difference at all. > I'll second this one. FWIW... Its my understanding that - the memory saved would be negligible. - the performance differences while running are negligible - the boot time is shortened as the kernel will not probe removed devices. - [many|all] removed devices are available and loadable as kld. - as always, remove too much and you can cripple yourself. The above is my understandings from the many times this pops up on the list. You might do some searching on the archives as I think this comes up quite often. I do still however remove things from time to time as it makes me feel a little bit more geeky. :p But I don't think its necessary for performance. HTH. -- Regards, Eric From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 17:23:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68BE16A47B for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from daisy2.compar.com (daisy2.compar.com [216.208.38.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1605C43CA2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:22:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost.compar.com [127.0.0.1]) by daisy2.compar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA9713C424; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:42:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at compar.com Received: from unknown by localhost (amavisd-new, unix socket) id PQTA570p1BW5; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from gabby.gsicomp.on.ca (CPE00062566c7bb-CM0011e6ede298.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [74.109.12.188]) by daisy2.compar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AE813C421; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gabby.gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BD1610E; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown by localhost (amavisd-new, unix socket) id client-SsAR2RsS; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hermes (hermes.gsicomp.on.ca [192.168.0.18]) by gabby.gsicomp.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAC56105; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:35:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006301c71c7b$7fee7e80$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matt Emmerton" To: "Jonathan Horne" , References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com><200612100919.59564.lane@joeandlane.com> <200612100956.12327.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:51:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gsicomp.on.ca Cc: Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:23:40 -0000 > On Sunday 10 December 2006 09:19, Lane wrote: > > Suppose that as a stop-gap measure you pull > > an old isa nic from out of the closet, install it, and then boot the > > server ... only to realize that your nic is not supported by the kernel > > that you dutifully trimmed. > > > > I think it is especially important to keep the kernel as flexible as > > possible, since you may have to install the OS on any given machine without > > the luxury of recompiling. > > lane, i think thats a really good way to look at it. flexibility can truly be > a key of utmost importance when it comes to disaster recovery. However, remember that kmods can help you out in situations like these even if you haven't compiled the driver into the kernel -- as long as you're building with modules, that is. -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 17:27:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2AF16A415 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (omr5.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E804543C9F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:26:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from mail.networksolutionsemail.com (ns-omr5.mgt.netsol.com [10.49.6.68]) by omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id kBAHRlWI008066 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:27:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 14607 invoked by uid 78); 10 Dec 2006 17:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.15.200?) (racerx@makeworld.com@71.113.179.243) by ns-omr5.lb.hosting.dc2.netsol.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2006 17:27:46 -0000 Message-ID: <457C4390.6070809@makeworld.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:27:44 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061204) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Schuele References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> <20061210155022.GA28750@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <457C4156.8010309@computer.org> In-Reply-To: <457C4156.8010309@computer.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=C01BC363 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080700080201000302080803" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: racerx@makeworld.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:27:49 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080700080201000302080803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric Schuele wrote: > On 12/10/06 09:50, Erik Trulsson wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 09:05:25AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: >>> Are there any real advantages to building a kernel stripped of unused= >>> drivers, especially when running it on a fairly large machine? For >>> years, I've been dutifully removing device drivers (or more recently,= >>> including GENERIC and using 'nodevice') for everything I don't have. = >>> But does this actually do anything useful, or am I just tilting at >>> windmills? >> >> It will save a little bit of memory and diskspace and the machine will= >> probably boot slightly faster since it will not need to probe for >> non-existing devices, but other than that I doubt it will make any >> difference at all. >> >=20 > I'll second this one. >=20 > FWIW... Its my understanding that > - the memory saved would be negligible. > - the performance differences while running are negligible > - the boot time is shortened as the kernel will not probe removed devi= ces. > - [many|all] removed devices are available and loadable as kld. > - as always, remove too much and you can cripple yourself. >=20 > The above is my understandings from the many times this pops up on the > list. You might do some searching on the archives as I think this come= s > up quite often. >=20 > I do still however remove things from time to time as it makes me feel = a > little bit more geeky. :p But I don't think its necessary for > performance. >=20 > HTH. >=20 =2E.. and to summarize, I have seen users boast about how small they were= able to get the kernel after the compile only to shoot them self in the foot when it won't boot. I think in general - it's more a pissing contest for those that like pissing contests. I think that in the end, the wise choice is to just leave the kernel along for reasons previously posted. 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--------------ms080700080201000302080803-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 18:32:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3201D16A407 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2189D43C9E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:31:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2006 13:32:33 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id MQI78293; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-6-203-219.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.203.219]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2006 13:32:29 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,518,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="330190138:sNHT22653374" From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17788.21019.357739.300962@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:29:47 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <457C4156.8010309@computer.org> References: <200612100905.30430.kirk@strauser.com> <20061210155022.GA28750@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <457C4156.8010309@computer.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta27) "fiddleheads" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail: UCE(50) X-Junkmail-Status: score=50/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=bulk(0), refid=str=0001.0A090203.457C5198.0084,ss=3,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.121/2006-09-27 Subject: Re: Advantages of trimmed kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 18:32:35 -0000 Eric Schuele writes: > FWIW... Its my understanding that > - the memory saved would be negligible. How are we defining "negligible"? I know I've seen a pruned kernel 25% smaller than GENERIC for the same release; I /think/ I've seen one 33% smaller. Is that difference important? DammifIkno. IF you're feeling paranoid, compile and install both. (Assuming I'm correct in believing they install clean to separate directories.) Robert Huff (running a custom kernel since 2.mumble) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 19:09:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0ED16A412 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:09:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDCC43C9F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:07:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1034784uge for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:09:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JAvbwN5Q+k/KsdS2X0g2JRHDTrPcshformW9qTMsNwgnPpi0aGUXpIQC3gNzznVtz9fINp0z2D6h4IhpQuU3GwG8R/EiYN9DukoKXRSvcDAGjNrQu5TVF2A1wHgrksNpju6Vh1mdu4vqDhuwm5+GDXJr9cy9pA7jRI9JpP2Yaqk= Received: by 10.78.117.10 with SMTP id p10mr1154556huc.1165777743371; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.160.4 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:09:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:09:03 -0500 From: "Tsu-Fan Cheng" To: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: skype and other *phones X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:09:05 -0000 Hi people, hapy holiday! i have a question about the internet phone apps, what is the major difference between skype and other *phone system? and I know that bsd has limited support of sound card that works with skype in the past, I wonder if the support is getting better these days? and also how is the driver support for other *phone apps? thank you for your time!! TFC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 19:23:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A127C16A40F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C96843C9F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:22:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from almarrie@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1036905uge for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:23:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=E+cs47nejz9M5Oyh9+P4RvJjwgxQolGrF0BshN3/75AB/KBTzhFot3QDR6yWqhsKodWkCpJBGAQqFLTlRVnp/n2VRsWxdUPF5z8fppa2ePqk+tkpr5Ye8DHdOmpHVN+KksyE8qxAHsJReaMKIpGSnvztoao57P5kbvWJNKubHXw= Received: by 10.67.26.7 with SMTP id d7mr8654415ugj.1165778627968; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.27.15 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:23:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <499c70c0612101123g3ea1465n33c040e2804a2906@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:23:47 +0300 From: "Abdullah Al-Marrie" To: "User Questions" In-Reply-To: <20061210081620.0A44.GERARD@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061209225506.GD69299@dan.emsphone.com> <499c70c0612092220p6c603fd5h4d491ed02b8af1fa@mail.gmail.com> <20061210081620.0A44.GERARD@seibercom.net> Subject: Re: dns cache on a desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 19:23:49 -0000 On 12/10/06, Gerard Seibert wrote: > On Sunday December 10, 2006 at 01:20:37 (AM) Abdullah Al-Marrie wrote: > > > > On 12/10/06, Dan Nelson wrote: > > > In the last episode (Dec 09), Jonathan Horne said: > > > > how can i flush the dns cache on my desktop system? google turns up > > > > plenty on how to do it in linux or osx... but not freebsd. can > > > > someone clue me in? > > > > > > Just bounce named: /etc/rc.d/named restart > > > > > > If you are not running named, you have no cache to flush :) > > > > > > -- > > > > Is there away to cache dns for faster lookup, I don't run named? I use DHCP. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-dns.html > > -- > Gerard This only covers running named in the box. Is there a port can cache the dns in the desktop that doesn't run bind? -A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 20:03:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B68D16A415 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:03:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from diri.bris.ac.uk (diri.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308AF43CA2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:02:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by diri.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GtUt2-0004xW-KQ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:03:21 +0000 Received: from cse-jg.cse.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.12.37]:55316) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1GtUsj-000211-3R; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:02:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:02:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: White Hat In-Reply-To: <20061210133927.6212.qmail@web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061210200053.R61342@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk> References: <20061210133927.6212.qmail@web34404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-ILRT-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ILRT-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.403, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, AWL 1.04) X-ILRT-MailScanner-From: jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: FreeBSD Users Questions Subject: Re: Atomic Update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:03:23 -0000 On Sun, 10 Dec 2006, White Hat wrote: > I am not sure what the correct procedure is to do an > atomic update. > > Scenario: > > 1) Download database-1. This database is going to > replace an identically named database. Since I cannot > shut down the program that is using this database, > what would be the best way to insert the new database. > I was thinking that I could use the 'mv' command as > opposed to 'cp', but I am not sure. You don't mention what software is consuming your database file. It's true that "mv" within a filesystem is an atomic operation, it is not necessarily the case that an arbitrary program that is using the target file will notice the change; for instance, if the target program just has an open filehandle to the file, then it would need to reopen the file once the replacement had taken place. -- jan grant, ISYS, University of Bristol. http://www.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44 (0)117 3317661 http://ioctl.org/jan/ The Java disclaimer: values of 'anywhere' may vary between regions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 10 20:07:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9F516A415 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from strange.daemonsecurity.com (59.Red-81-33-11.staticIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.11.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1ADD43CB1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:06:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from [10.35.4.65] (65.4-35-10-static.chueca.wifi [10.35.4.65]) by strange.daemonsecurity.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D924F2E037 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:07:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <457C686E.5050504@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:05:02 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20061022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000300090906000408010602" Cc: Subject: How safe is encrypted disks? (data integrity) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:07:29 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000300090906000408010602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: I have been thinking to make /home on my laptop encrypted - seems like a good idea if it gets stolen. Now, how safe is this? Not in terms of the strength of the encryption algorithm, but in terms of integrity. What happens in case of power failure, the battery runs out or system crashes for whatever reason? Normally this is not a big problem if it is temporary data anyway such as the Firefox cache, but I'd hate if this can take the entire disk down the drain... 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