From owner-freebsd-toolchain@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 29 16:57:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: toolchain@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12629D5 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 746A027FC for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id o17so922948oag.7 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=ud05ZE5HwalOMowLinY+f8RHwPh/eJtN+7YBkb2y0YA=; b=lqTHtjLp3nUe71glGr+yolui7Mjc9vaNJJOuLIV2f8cj/caVJf0uUadGO7oXEYpsKf PkMXuhacEhZty8p7VPHjNgTdk6Xjswkj+TXvTxBm+R5vCTEp8KrvTjo7N0bYbf8snfRH GEup15IST6sxbh+wZ5Eq/De25XFvx2d9PBWvfvg46Ogjp+4P3+qiXYS1wn2DgWRQLrPy 1eVFMvGhyHZZd7qCwVz5ghSYPS5OQrLtHe7uxHgKZOAFEMC2KLjQN2dVd9SANl5VgPME ZjxUs132FRkwNu+DWfC6AM+u+IqpdOIYfdJcI2INbyDr7GUDxR+tQbEMSRXfHkEpFKDN 2rwA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn7ei3Z4H4I2jDCL08lCIZbp0ZLXcLWaXF/74QkKGWdU/fW7bW4KMXpvq/yPmIakthACHNP X-Received: by 10.60.115.226 with SMTP id jr2mr626422oeb.95.1377795441506; Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monkey-bot.int.fusionio.com ([209.117.142.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hl3sm32302657obb.0.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: GCC withdraw Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <1377440469.1111.124.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 10:57:18 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9B13FF68-35F4-4A7C-8AD3-F72BA28718E8@bsdimp.com> References: <20130822200902.GG94127@funkthat.com> <105E26EE-8471-49D3-AB57-FBE2779CF8D0@FreeBSD.org> <5217413A.9080105@passap.ru> <20130823111647.GT2951@home.opsec.eu> <521745F2.8050607@passap.ru> <20130824115158.GA88999@zxy.spb.ru> <20130824154217.GE3796@zxy.spb.ru> <20130824224204.GH3796@zxy.spb.ru> <1377440469.1111.124.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> To: Ian Lepore X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: FreeBSD Current , toolchain@FreeBSD.org, Slawa Olhovchenkov , "Sam Fourman Jr." , Boris Samorodov X-BeenThere: freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Maintenance of FreeBSD's integrated toolchain List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:57:22 -0000 On Aug 25, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 23:44 +0100, David Chisnall wrote: >> On 24 Aug 2013, at 23:42, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>=20 >>> And i found PR about clang and mplayer: ports/176272 >>> This PR contains log with build error log. >>=20 >> Please file clang bugs at http://llvm.org/bugs/ >>=20 >> David > And THIS is a major reason why FreeBSD needs a compiler in base = instead > of all tools being ports. The last thing we need is to start = responding > to every problem with "this is not my problem, go file a report > upstream." If we're already doing it for the compiler that's supposed > to be the new supported tool, how much worse will peoples' experience = be > when we assert no ownership or responsibility for a toolchain at all? Especially when the external toolchain support is far from well = integrated, is lacking key features and needs much documentation on what = is there. One of the huge draws to FreeBSD is that you don't have to play = whack-a-mole with gcc/binutils/libc/etc. I'd sure hate to lose that. Warner