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Date:      Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:28:17 -0400
From:      "Dan Langille" <dan@langille.org>
To:        Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
Cc:        jlemon@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h ip_compat.h         ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.
Message-ID:  <200106071428.f57ESJU01095@lists.unixathome.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010607065857X.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
References:  <200106071328.XAA07291@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au>

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As a non-committer I feel compelled to write so that ya'll know the point 
of view of a non-developer.

On 7 Jun 2001, at 6:58, Jordan Hubbard wrote:

> From: Darren Reed <darrenr@reed.wattle.id.au>
> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet fil.c ip_auth.c ip_auth.h
> ip_compat.h         ip_fil.c ip_fil.h ip_frag.c ip_frag.h ip_ftp_pxy.c
> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:28:48 +1000 (EST)
> 
> > Upgrading IPFilter without upgrading FreeBSD.  Users seem inclined to do
> > this inbetween when I update the source tree (usually because I'm
> 
> Those aren't users, those are developers.  The kind of users we tend
> to deal with wouldn't know how to selectively update part of FreeBSD
> (much less build it from source) if you held a gun to their heads.

I'm a developer?  WOO HOO!  Where's my commit bit?

I have upgraded ipfilter many times outside of FreeBSD upgrades.  I 
know many other people do it as well.  It happens more frequently than 
the paragraph above infers.

> More to the point, the project actively discourages this kind of
> "upgrading" because for any particular bit of software, be it IPFilter or
> sendmail, we can't say anything authoritative about how well it's going to
> integrate in the face of other changes and that's exactly why one shouldn't
> upgrade piecemeal.

I guess I shouldn't have been.

-- 
Dan Langille
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