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Date:      Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:35:31 -0700 (PDT)
From:      <keith@mail.telestream.com>
To:        "Jason C. Wells" <jcwells@nwlink.com>
Cc:        "Frederick J Polsky v1.0" <fred@fredbox.com>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD guide for Linux admins
Message-ID:  <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009121234050.26871-100000@mail.telestream.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1000912114428.12665B-100000@utah>

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I could not agree with this more. 


Keith


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On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Jason C. Wells wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Frederick J Polsky v1.0 wrote:
> 
> > I'm installing a FreeBSD box in the midst of a Red Hat shop; the other
> > admins desire documentation on the differences between same. Might
> > anyone know of a suitable link which has quick-n-dirty info on the
> > administrative differences between FreeBSD and various Linucies or some
> > sort of "FreeBSD for Linux admins" guide?
> 
> No links here.
> 
> You use a linux system just like any unix system really.  It's the macro
> scale where usage/administration diverge.  There is some bias here.  Read
> through it to see what variations I observed between FreeBSD and Redhat.
> 
> The biggest thing from an admin side is that FreeBSD doesn't have Sys V
> init scripts. THANK GOODNESS. You actually have to give the command line
> invocation to start processes and you have to ps and kill processes to
> stop them. (Unless they are like apachectl.)  If your admins are looking
> for a script to start sendmail tell them, "Umm, 'sendmail -bd -q30'
> works for me." ;)
> 
> A HUGE issue during install is that Linux insists on using the DOS based
> partitioning scheme.  FreeBSD is utterly more flexible in this regard.
> For a BSD only system there are none of the DOS fdisk limitations.  If
> your admins are trying to use things like extended DOS partitions, they
> are not following the BSD mindset. (Obviously. this doesn't matter post
> installation.)
> 
> BSD doesn't have the 128MB swap partition limit.  Consider this scenario. 
> You have 1024 MB of ram.  You want 2048 MB of swap. That would take
> sixteen linux swap partitions.  If DOS sticks you with 15 total partitions
> allowed, you are screwed, blued, and tatooed.  (Maybe you could use swap
> on another disc. This difference boggles my mind.)
> 
> I, IMHO, think it is sacrilege to install a GUI based adminintration tool. 
> A couple books on Linux admin that I have seen depend utterly on things
> like linuxconf.  This may or may not apply to your audience.
> 
> Another BIG thing IMO is that there are no "glibc version of the month" 
> issues.  As a BSD-ite running Linux, this caused me great consternation
> until I became apprised of how to deal with it.  Just tell your peers that
> they don't have to worry about library version in the base system.  The
> ports system handles glib issues well all by itself.
> 
> And ports!  Ports are a jewel.  You install BSD using ports and packages. 
> Packages are merely the binary version of a port.  A port is a source
> version of a package.  They both use the same administration tools.  The
> one thing I have seen that the ports system seems to lack is the ability
> to _easily_ pick an arbitrary file from the disc and find out what
> software depends on it.  You can still grep the ports database for the
> pattern that matches the file you are interested in to see what software
> uses that file.
> 
> Redhat will add a new group with each new users name by default.  BSD will
> not.  No big deal, just be careful to check your user adds after your done
> to see if they are what you expected. 
> 
> As a cultural issue, I think more BSD-ites build software from source
> while more Redhat users install binary RPMs.
> 
> Basically, the FreeBSD system feels more naked to me. Redhat felt more
> covered up and insulated from the admin.  Being who I am, I prefer naked
> computing! :) 
> 
> Thank you,
> Jason C. Wells
> 
> 
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